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ivankris
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Next week I have a couple of old friends from Europe coming to visit me here in Canada and I am planning to take them on a "Trip of a Life Time" (at least for them) in my RV-10 down the Hudson River NY. VFR corridor and then onto Washington DC for a couple of days.
I did this trip about 20 years ago in a Comanche so I am sure there has been some changes in the rules since then.
If anyone out there has flown this this trip in the last year or so and would share some of the Do's and Dont's with me I would sure appreciate it.
What airport in the NY area is a good one to launch from to do the Hudson corridor?
What publications and charts do I need and where is the best place to get them?
As far as airports in the DC area I am thinking about College Park (KCGS) but it falls within the vail of a current TFR. Does that mean that it is off limits to private aircraft operations?
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Bob Turner
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| Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: Flying the Hudson through NY and to Washington DC. |
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I did this trip about 20 years ago in a Comanche so I am sure there has been some changes in the rules since then. |
Understatement of all time!
I suggest you start by googling "Washington DC special flight rules area". You must take an on-line course if you wish to fly close to DC, I think it is on the TSA web site. That will tell you what you need to do to get to College Park.
Edit: correction, the course is on the FAA web site. If possible I strongly recommend filing ifr if within 60 nm of DC.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:40 pm Post subject: Flying the Hudson through NY and to Washington DC. |
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Don't know about the Hudson area. But you can take an online course to go over the Special VFR airspace surrounding the DC area here.
https://www.faasafety.gov/gslac/ALC/course_content.aspx?cID=55&preview=true
Just need to plan ahead and communicate with ATC prior to entering.
Tim
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On Aug 27, 2013, at 3:06 PM, "ivankris" <ivankris(at)rogers.com (ivankris(at)rogers.com)> wrote:
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Next week I have a couple of old friends from Europe coming to visit me here in Canada and I am planning to take them on a "Trip of a Life Time" (at least for them) in my RV-10 down the Hudson River NY. VFR corridor and then onto Washington DC for a couple of days.
I did this trip about 20 years ago in a Comanche so I am sure there has been some changes in the rules since then.
If anyone out there has flown this this trip in the last year or so and would share some of the Do's and Dont's with me I would sure appreciate it.
What airport in the NY area is a good one to launch from to do the Hudson corridor?
What publications and charts do I need and where is the best place to get them?
As far as airports in the DC area I am thinking about College Park (KCGS) but it falls within the vail of a current TFR. Does that mean that it is off limits to private aircraft operations?
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| Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:10 pm Post subject: Flying the Hudson through NY and to Washington DC. |
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Ivan, as far as the lights are concerned if so equipped .
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Next week I have a couple of old friends from Europe coming to visit me here in Canada and I am planning to take them on a "Trip of a Life Time" (at least for them) in my RV-10 down the Hudson River NY. VFR corridor and then onto Washington DC for a couple of days.
I did this trip about 20 years ago in a Comanche so I am sure there has been some changes in the rules since then.
If anyone out there has flown this this trip in the last year or so and would share some of the Do's and Dont's with me I would sure appreciate it.
What airport in the NY area is a good one to launch from to do the Hudson corridor?
What publications and charts do I need and where is the best place to get them?
As far as airports in the DC area I am thinking about College Park (KCGS) but it falls within the vail of a current TFR. Does that mean that it is off limits to private aircraft operations?
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| Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:24 pm Post subject: Flying the Hudson through NY and to Washington DC. |
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Living and flying in the DC area I wish it were quite that easy for airports inside the Flight Restricted Zone (FRZ). The FRZ is the inside circular area centered on DCA. Flying into the three GA airports inside the FRZ requires a background clearance prior to your flight. If memory serves, and I may be incorrect, you have to apply for that clearance in person. I had a one time clearance into Andrews AFB to display my RV-8 at their annual open house. I'll never do that again. If you want to get in close to DC I would suggest Gaithersburg as a better alternative. It's inside the SFRA but not the FRZ. It's relatively close to the metro or an easy drive to DC. You still need an SFRA flight plan etc but otherwise, as Tim said, it just takes a little planning...and the online course certificate. Leesburg is another good choice but will require a rental car or a very expensive cab ride to get into DC.
Rick McBride
On Aug 27, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Timothy Meyer <tgmeyerster(at)gmail.com (tgmeyerster(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]Don't know about the Hudson area. But you can take an online course to go over the Special VFR airspace surrounding the DC area here.
https://www.faasafety.gov/gslac/ALC/course_content.aspx?cID=55&preview=true
Just need to plan ahead and communicate with ATC prior to entering.
Tim
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On Aug 27, 2013, at 3:06 PM, "ivankris" <ivankris(at)rogers.com (ivankris(at)rogers.com)> wrote:
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Next week I have a couple of old friends from Europe coming to visit me here in Canada and I am planning to take them on a "Trip of a Life Time" (at least for them) in my RV-10 down the Hudson River NY. VFR corridor and then onto Washington DC for a couple of days.
I did this trip about 20 years ago in a Comanche so I am sure there has been some changes in the rules since then.
If anyone out there has flown this this trip in the last year or so and would share some of the Do's and Dont's with me I would sure appreciate it.
What airport in the NY area is a good one to launch from to do the Hudson corridor?
What publications and charts do I need and where is the best place to get them?
As far as airports in the DC area I am thinking about College Park (KCGS) but it falls within the vail of a current TFR. Does that mean that it is off limits to private aircraft operations?
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| Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:32 pm Post subject: Flying the Hudson through NY and to Washington DC. |
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Take the on line course first, then go for it. I did it north to south about two years ago and it was, at that time, a VFR at 1000-1300', enter at specific points, announce position at specific points, and depart at specific point type of flight, much like the pattern at an uncontrolled field. My mistake was that I should have turned back instead of leaving, flown it in reverse then turned and made one more pass. It is indeed a trip of a life time for many of us.
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| Quote: | Don't know about the Hudson area. But you can take an online course to go over the Special VFR airspace surrounding the DC area here.
https://www.faasafety.gov/gslac/ALC/course_content.aspx?cID=55&preview=true
Just need to plan ahead and communicate with ATC prior to entering.
Tim
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| Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:45 pm Post subject: Re: Flying the Hudson through NY and to Washington DC. |
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There is also a course for flying the Hudson, if I recall correctly it is required. We fly into KTEB, even if it is more expensive. Well worth the effort! - Jason
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carl.froehlich(at)verizon
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| Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:30 pm Post subject: Flying the Hudson through NY and to Washington DC. |
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For flying the Hudson there is a lot if information on the web such as: https://www.faasafety.gov/files/gslac/courses/content/79/775/kneeboard.pdf
Recommend flying north to south. If you have enough gas then skip the stop in New York. If not, Westchester County (HPN) is one I have used. Fly from there to the Tappan Zee bridge and turn south down the Hudson. You will need the New York Terminal Area chart http://www.mypilotstore.com/MyPilotStore/chart/FAA_VFR_Terminal_Area_Charts.asp along with your other standard charts.
For the DC visit, there are options inside and outside the SFRA. As noted, you are required to do the on line course even if you are just in the area. For airports your selection should depend on what you want to do. If you want close to DC, your options are limited. If you are ok with being outside the area but access to a commuter train to take you down town, there is Stafford Airport (KRMN) near Fredericksburg, VA. You can catch the VRE commuter train at a few locations in the area http://www.vre.org/ Note - VRE runs north only in the morning and south only in the afternoon, Monday-Friday only and no holidays. I believe you can also stay near Frederick airport (KFDK) in Maryland and ride the MARC commuter train to downtown DC. I believe it only runs Monday-Friday as well. If you want to drive downtown more options are of course available.
I'm at Dogwood Airpark (VA42) a couple of miles from Stafford airport. Please let me know if I can help.
Carl
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Don't know about the Hudson area. But you can take an online course to go over the Special VFR airspace surrounding the DC area here.
https://www.faasafety.gov/gslac/ALC/course_content.aspx?cID=55&preview=true
Just need to plan ahead and communicate with ATC prior to entering.
Tim
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On Aug 27, 2013, at 3:06 PM, "ivankris" <ivankris(at)rogers.com (ivankris(at)rogers.com)> wrote:
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Next week I have a couple of old friends from Europe coming to visit me here in Canada and I am planning to take them on a "Trip of a Life Time" (at least for them) in my RV-10 down the Hudson River NY. VFR corridor and then onto Washington DC for a couple of days.
I did this trip about 20 years ago in a Comanche so I am sure there has been some changes in the rules since then.
If anyone out there has flown this this trip in the last year or so and would share some of the Do's and Dont's with me I would sure appreciate it.
What airport in the NY area is a good one to launch from to do the Hudson corridor?
What publications and charts do I need and where is the best place to get them?
As far as airports in the DC area I am thinking about College Park (KCGS) but it falls within the vail of a current TFR. Does that mean that it is off limits to private aircraft operations?
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| Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:13 pm Post subject: Flying the Hudson through NY and to Washington DC. |
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For DC: I flew into/out of College Park many years ago - it was fun -
cleared into class B and flew up the Anacostia river right by the Capitol
and into College Park. Then catch the metro and go downtown for the day; to
the Air and Space museum, and then fly back to North Carolina all in one
day. But check out this link for the procedure you would have to follow to
do it today. Its a fun read. Sad its come to this.
<http://www.collegeparkairport.org/vetting.html>
Have fun, I would recommend Gaithersburg too, instead of the above
procedure.
For NY: Watch this video it might be helpful and its well done and they are
using the skyline route.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:45 am Post subject: Flying the Hudson through NY and to Washington DC. |
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Ivan I don't know if you received my last post but a reminder to make sure that the NY Yankees are not playing when you fly the Hudson corridor. There will be a TFR for the game and flight service doesn't warn you about it. The TFR extends in the corridor and you will get busted
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For DC: I flew into/out of College Park many years ago - it was fun -
cleared into class B and flew up the Anacostia river right by the Capitol
and into College Park. Then catch the metro and go downtown for the day; to
the Air and Space museum, and then fly back to North Carolina all in one
day. But check out this link for the procedure you would have to follow to
do it today. Its a fun read. Sad its come to this.
<http://www.collegeparkairport.org/vetting.html>
Have fun, I would recommend Gaithersburg too, instead of the above
procedure.
For NY: Watch this video it might be helpful and its well done and they are
using the skyline route.
-Chris Lucas
N919AR
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| Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:42 am Post subject: Re: Flying the Hudson through NY and to Washington DC. |
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Good Grief!
I'm planning a trip from the Atlanta Area to New Jersey in a couple of weeks. I had planned to fly around DC, but that 60 mile arc would force me into the mountains! The coastal way would have me dodging restricted areas and a lot of water.
There are a few Victor Airways around it but they all penetrate that 60 mile arc. I have no interest in seeing DC, I used to live there when it was fun to fly. What do the locals recommend?
John
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I've done the NYC corridor a number of times - years ago and recently.
Amazingly not much has changed except that the options are better
documented now. Others have provided the links.
You basically want to decide whether you want to fly underneath in the
VFR corridor or in the Class B a couple of hundred feet higher. Either
is a visual flight of a lifetime. There can be a lot of traffic which
makes the Class B route preferable for me but either way works well.
Pilots tend to obey the rules of the road relative to altitudes and
sides of the river and position announcements in the VFR section.
Flying south to north allows you to practically over fly the WTC
memorial site. The fact that you can do that is amazing in itself. It
also puts your passengers on the scenic side of the plane.
You can go low and take a circle around the Statue of Liberty - that's a
notch on the stick for you and the passengers.
It's a good time to stock up on some lightweight floatation devices for
the plane. I felt I owed it to my passengers to have them onboard and
available even if I didn't fully brief them before the flight.
I go in and out of KHPN and highly recommend Panorama Flight Service if
you stop. If it fits your purposes, a low flight up the Hudson with a
landing at KHPN, followed by a normal altitude IFR/VFR departure south
generally results in vectors directly over JFK and an excellent high
altitude view of NYC.
I've done DC before and after too. Used to be accessible and fun. Now,
not so much. Not sure if there is anything resembling a scenic flight.
Access to the several layers of airports you can fly in and out of is
strictly managed and there is zero tolerance for deviations. I used to
go into Potomac and/or Hyde (forget which) but you need to go thru a
security procedure well in advance now. Recently, I've been flying in
and out of KANP - nothing to recommend or not recommend there. A flight
into W29 is Cheasapeake Bay scenic and there are crab places nearby. I
used to go into Kentmorr 3W3 for crabs at the marina but haven't taken
the '10 in the grass there yet. Don't know much else. You'll always
have NYC....
Enjoy!
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Next week I have a couple of old friends from Europe coming to visit me here in Canada and I am planning to take them on a "Trip of a Life Time" (at least for them) in my RV-10 down the Hudson River NY. VFR corridor and then onto Washington DC for a couple of days.
I did this trip about 20 years ago in a Comanche so I am sure there has been some changes in the rules since then.
If anyone out there has flown this this trip in the last year or so and would share some of the Do's and Dont's with me I would sure appreciate it.
What airport in the NY area is a good one to launch from to do the Hudson corridor?
What publications and charts do I need and where is the best place to get them?
As far as airports in the DC area I am thinking about College Park (KCGS) but it falls within the vail of a current TFR. Does that mean that it is off limits to private aircraft operations?
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www.ivankristensen.com
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John depending on where in Atlanta your coming from V1 with keep you clear of of all the trouble.
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Good Grief!
I'm planning a trip from the Atlanta Area to New Jersey in a couple of weeks. I had planned to fly around DC, but that 60 mile arc would force me into the mountains! The coastal way would have me dodging restricted areas and a lot of water.
There are a few Victor Airways around it but they all penetrate that 60 mile arc. I have no interest in seeing DC, I used to live there when it was fun to fly. What do the locals recommend?
John
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You're right, V1 will do the trick. It'll add a few miles but I think a fuel stop would be prudent in the Norfolk area. Thanks,
John
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John if your making a fuel stop by Norfolk KSFQ ($ 5.20) or KCPK ($ 5.79) both right off V1. I have flown Into CPK nice airport friendly people. Haven't flown into SFQ but for .50 a gallon it might be worth the stop. Double check the fuel prices, I got it off of foreflight. What part of New Jersey are you flying into? Have fun on the trip if there is anything else I can help you with don't hesitate to ask. John Z
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You're right, V1 will do the trick. It'll add a few miles but I think a fuel stop would be prudent in the Norfolk area. Thanks,
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The SFRA (where you need a clearance and specific squawk code) is 30nmi
radius from DCA. Between 30nmi and 60nmi is a speed restriction area only
(you will not be going fast enough unless you burning Jet A). No clearance
is needed in that area. Just stay out of the SFRA, mind the restricted
areas and fly. I do recommend flight following if VFR, especially if you
are unfamiliar with the area.
Don't forget to take the on line FAA SFRA course (required if you are within
60nmi of DCA - even if you don't want to enter the SFRA):
https://www.faasafety.gov/gslac/ALC/course_content.aspx?cID=55&preview=true
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Do the online course. It's not difficult. Doesn't take too long. Then you are all set. I've flown around the east and west side depending on where I'm going and have had no issues. However, I have been asked by briefers and controllers if I was familiar with the procedures. Also be familiar with and have current charting for all the restricted areas. I have been asked to confirm my intentions with respect to how I was avoiding various areas. So situational awareness was critical.
Overall my experience with Potomac approach has been excellent and easier to work with than the class B monster to the northeast. The Philly/ NY area is really busy and can be overwhelming at times.
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Good Grief!
I'm planning a trip from the Atlanta Area to New Jersey in a couple of weeks. I had planned to fly around DC, but that 60 mile arc would force me into the mountains! The coastal way would have me dodging restricted areas and a lot of water.
There are a few Victor Airways around it but they all penetrate that 60 mile arc. I have no interest in seeing DC, I used to live there when it was fun to fly. What do the locals recommend?
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forgot link.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRXZ9MZkAe8>
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| Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: Flying the Hudson through NY and to Washington DC. |
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I went ahead and did the course. Not bad and it did clear up a number of questions. The sad part is the "Maryland 3" - I used to fly VFR between them back in the '60s....
John
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| Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: Flying the Hudson through NY and to Washington DC. |
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Thanks to all for the help, ideas and suggestions you have given me here. I have done the on-line courses for both the Washington Special Flight Rules Area (SFRA) and the NY City SFRA. Now armed with a good knowledge of the rules and the correct charts combined with the experience of having done it once before (15+ years ago) I feel quite confident that we can pull this off without any trouble.
The plan is to fly directly to Westchester County (KHPN) for customs and then launch from there to do the Hudson River sight seeing tour. After the tour we will stop in Monmouth Executive (KBLM) for lunch and file an IFR flight plan to go into Gaithersburg (KGAI) where we will stay for a couple of nights and do the Washington tourist thing.
Here is a link to SkyVectors.com showing my routing.
http://skyvector.com/?ll=40.921260992712455,-78.63061523802082&chart=301&zoom=7&plan=A.CY.CYKF:V.K6.BUF:V.K6.CFB:F.K6.GAYEL:F.K6.VALRE:A.K6.KHPN:V.K6.COL:A.K6.KBLM:A.K6.KGAI:V.K6.HGR:V.K6.TON:V.K6.JHW:A.CY.CYKF
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