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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:17 pm    Post subject: OSH Parking Comments Reply with quote

Just a few reminders for all of you going to OSH this year.

As someone who has spent a reasonable amount of time in an orange vest at
OSH and many other fly-ins remember the flight ain't over until the plane is
tied down.

For the most part almost all airplane fatalities and injuries occur either
on, or very close to the ground. Oshkosh is no exception in spite of the
higher potential for mid air collisions.

While I don't work in the homebuilt section I do park a lot of aircraft
during that two weeks in July. It is true that you are the pilot and it's
your job to not run into anything, but it's my job to keep things from
running into you. So if you don't like what you see, or you can see that I
don't like what I see then it's time to shut it down and have a chat about
it all.

Fortunately airplanes aren't too hard to push and there's always a bunch of
volunteers that would love to help.

For many the trip in seems kinda fast and hairy, but then it's over and you
are on the ground. Well, this is when the stress really begins. OSH is big
and usually hot, we are moving up 11000 airplanes on and off the field.
Typically there are pre-established routes that aren't very obvious to those
sitting in a cockpit, but the idea is to keep everyone on any taxiway going
the same direction. As such you may toodle around a bit for no apparent
reason kinda like an IFR flight. We realize that you are hot, that you need
to get out and clean your shorts, that a quart of ice cold rum would be just
the thing, but please bear with us.

Have the signs as per the NOTAM, and print them out with a printer, bold,
landscape, 300pt Arial. Big letters with a ball point pen on a sectional
chart will get a nice laugh from many, but you will taxi around for a
while... I think it's the last page of the NOTAM has a great cheat sheet for
frequencies but once you are off the runway that will do nothing for you.
Depending on which runway you land on and where you are going you might see
up to 20 or so volunteers directing you over the course. The sooner each one
of them is able to recognize that three letter sign of yours, the sooner
they will get you on your way to the right location.

As well, there are defined areas for parking various types of airplanes.
Just because it's empty and it is show center doesn't mean you get to park
there. And if you know Paul or Tom Poberezny, that's fine, we'll still park
you where we want and then you can have them come help you move your plane
to where they want it. Speaking of that, while we are willing to relocate
aircraft, we usually try to do it during the lulls. This often doesn't work
out though because lulls come and go. Be patient, we'll do our best to get
you there.

Also, when departing, don't start your engine without an orange vested soul
nearby. As one who has seen airplanes collide into things at OSH it doesn't
matter whose fault it is, everyone is bummed and there are no winners. These
orange vested souls can be hard to find, particularly down in the homebuilt
area. If you are looking for something to do I suggest you volunteer and
wear a vest for a few tours. It will greatly expand your knowledge of the
ground operations there as well as get you a free glass of ice water and a
baloney and butter sandwich.

Make sure you get a briefing before you depart and keep the brief sheet or
you will be stopped and briefed when you get to the runway. This is very
disconcerting to have happen just before takeoff and I have seen many pilots
have to abort because they got rattled and forgot something like a canopy
latch. This of course means they get back in line and do it all over again.

And always remember, no matter how bad it gets, if they are wearing an
orange vest they aren't getting paid. Just like you, they are out there
trying to have a good time. They may not know everything so help them learn,
and help them help you.

W


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:25 pm    Post subject: OSH Parking Comments Reply with quote

I'd like to add some to this excellent list

as in the years before, the road to RV land and homebuild camping is a
one-way street. We have to stop all traffic coming out when a plane goes
in and vice versa. We have used the entry to the warbirds as a staging
area to wait for planes to come out. If we point u towards the warbird
area, please pull in the area and make a u turn (follow our signals),
chances are there will be more planes waiting. We will get u going as
soon as possible where u need to go.
There is a defined pecking order of who goes first, Ford trimotor heads
the parade, then warbirds, mostly P51s, finally all other, sorry that's
the way it is.

I second Wheeler's comment regarding signs, use the published signs and
colors. it is very frustrating dealing with pilots who 'know' where they
go because da's where they went for the past 20 years now. It is no fun
getting close to propellors, shouting over the blast to find out what
the pilot wants to do, only to get an earful because he/she is being
stopped at each intersection. I am told every year that they don't need
the notam...........

Also, if the parking area fills up, becomes full, please don't argue
with us that u want to park with the birds of a feather, we understand u
want to. We will bend over backwards to get u in. However, take the
space we point out to you, wander over to the area you want to park and
talk to the orange vests in that area. we have had to sent planes to
Fond Du Lac in the past, who argued and lost the last spot.

Please don't plan your departure till the last moment before the airshow
starts, any small hick-up in schedule will cause u to be shut down where
u are that very moment till after the airshow.

Fly save and have fun

Gert

Wheeler North wrote:
Quote:


Just a few reminders for all of you going to OSH this year.

As someone who has spent a reasonable amount of time in an orange vest at
OSH and many other fly-ins remember the flight ain't over until the plane is
tied down.

For the most part almost all airplane fatalities and injuries occur either
on, or very close to the ground. Oshkosh is no exception in spite of the
higher potential for mid air collisions.

While I don't work in the homebuilt section I do park a lot of aircraft
during that two weeks in July. It is true that you are the pilot and it's
your job to not run into anything, but it's my job to keep things from
running into you. So if you don't like what you see, or you can see that I
don't like what I see then it's time to shut it down and have a chat about
it all.

Fortunately airplanes aren't too hard to push and there's always a bunch of
volunteers that would love to help.

For many the trip in seems kinda fast and hairy, but then it's over and you
are on the ground. Well, this is when the stress really begins. OSH is big
and usually hot, we are moving up 11000 airplanes on and off the field.
Typically there are pre-established routes that aren't very obvious to those
sitting in a cockpit, but the idea is to keep everyone on any taxiway going
the same direction. As such you may toodle around a bit for no apparent
reason kinda like an IFR flight. We realize that you are hot, that you need
to get out and clean your shorts, that a quart of ice cold rum would be just
the thing, but please bear with us.

Have the signs as per the NOTAM, and print them out with a printer, bold,
landscape, 300pt Arial. Big letters with a ball point pen on a sectional
chart will get a nice laugh from many, but you will taxi around for a
while... I think it's the last page of the NOTAM has a great cheat sheet for
frequencies but once you are off the runway that will do nothing for you.
Depending on which runway you land on and where you are going you might see
up to 20 or so volunteers directing you over the course. The sooner each one
of them is able to recognize that three letter sign of yours, the sooner
they will get you on your way to the right location.

As well, there are defined areas for parking various types of airplanes.
Just because it's empty and it is show center doesn't mean you get to park
there. And if you know Paul or Tom Poberezny, that's fine, we'll still park
you where we want and then you can have them come help you move your plane
to where they want it. Speaking of that, while we are willing to relocate
aircraft, we usually try to do it during the lulls. This often doesn't work
out though because lulls come and go. Be patient, we'll do our best to get
you there.

Also, when departing, don't start your engine without an orange vested soul
nearby. As one who has seen airplanes collide into things at OSH it doesn't
matter whose fault it is, everyone is bummed and there are no winners. These
orange vested souls can be hard to find, particularly down in the homebuilt
area. If you are looking for something to do I suggest you volunteer and
wear a vest for a few tours. It will greatly expand your knowledge of the
ground operations there as well as get you a free glass of ice water and a
baloney and butter sandwich.

Make sure you get a briefing before you depart and keep the brief sheet or
you will be stopped and briefed when you get to the runway. This is very
disconcerting to have happen just before takeoff and I have seen many pilots
have to abort because they got rattled and forgot something like a canopy
latch. This of course means they get back in line and do it all over again.

And always remember, no matter how bad it gets, if they are wearing an
orange vest they aren't getting paid. Just like you, they are out there
trying to have a good time. They may not know everything so help them learn,
and help them help you.

W






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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:22 pm    Post subject: OSH Parking Comments Reply with quote

A suggestion for EAA/FAA regarding the departure procedures -

If a departure briefing is required, or nearly so, it needs to be state it
more clearly in the NOTAM. I was one of many who tried to leave without a
briefing sheet last year (my first as PIC), and was briefed at the hold
short line with the engine running. I chose not to get a briefing because I
already had a thorough understanding of the departure procedures in the
NOTAM, the wx was great, I had no questions, and it wasn't required.

Also, address the run-up. I've seen orange shirts waving off some poor,
conscientious guy trying to do a run-up somewhere, anywhere, on the way to
the departure area. Put the policies/guidelines/restrictions in the NOTAM.
My searches on this topic in NOTAM returned nothing.

Thanks for you volunteer efforts and keep up the great work.

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Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:32 am    Post subject: OSH Parking Comments Reply with quote

Hi Larry

we generally, flow permitting, will let u do a run-up, if u need to.
(talking for my area, coming out of RV land) Just stick u index finger
in the air and describe a fast circle, we'll try and point u where the
prop blast won't do any damage. U would not be the first one we park in
the entrance to the warbird area to do a run-up.

Having said that, we are apprehensive of letting folks do run-up's because
A: they become situational unaware, let go off brakes and start rolling
with head in cockpit,
B: they will take this time to sort maps, set radio's, yack with pax, etc.

We can't allow that on our busy taxiways, we can pull u off in the grass
if u really have to STILL do this. Of course, U are all set except for
the run-up/mag check, correct?

So, if u need to do a run-up/mag check before take-off , signal us, we
will accommodate, if u need to prep u plane, set radio's, etc etc etc,
expect a lot of angry faces.

Stop by and say HI, i work at the intersection by the
warbirds/trimotor/demo area or stop by for a beer at nite, we're at the
childrens pavilion by the red barn.

Gert


Larry Bowen wrote:
[quote]

A suggestion for EAA/FAA regarding the departure procedures -

If a departure briefing is required, or nearly so, it needs to be state it
more clearly in the NOTAM. I was one of many who tried to leave without a
briefing sheet last year (my first as PIC), and was briefed at the hold
short line with the engine running. I chose not to get a briefing because I
already had a thorough understanding of the departure procedures in the
NOTAM, the wx was great, I had no questions, and it wasn't required.

Also, address the run-up. I've seen orange shirts waving off some poor,
conscientious guy trying to do a run-up somewhere, anywhere, on the way to
the departure area. Put the policies/guidelines/restrictions in the NOTAM.
My searches on this topic in NOTAM returned nothing.

Thanks for you volunteer efforts and keep up the great work.

-
Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:31 am    Post subject: OSH Parking Comments Reply with quote

Thanks for the details. The primary point I was trying to make was these
two topics are missing or lacking in the NOTAMS.

I'll look for you at the show!

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Larry Bowen
Larry(at)BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com

gert wrote:
[quote]

Hi Larry

we generally, flow permitting, will let u do a run-up, if u need to.
(talking for my area, coming out of RV land) Just stick u index finger
in the air and describe a fast circle, we'll try and point u where the
prop blast won't do any damage. U would not be the first one we park in
the entrance to the warbird area to do a run-up.

Having said that, we are apprehensive of letting folks do run-up's because
A: they become situational unaware, let go off brakes and start rolling
with head in cockpit,
B: they will take this time to sort maps, set radio's, yack with pax, etc.

We can't allow that on our busy taxiways, we can pull u off in the grass
if u really have to STILL do this. Of course, U are all set except for
the run-up/mag check, correct?

So, if u need to do a run-up/mag check before take-off , signal us, we
will accommodate, if u need to prep u plane, set radio's, etc etc etc,
expect a lot of angry faces.

Stop by and say HI, i work at the intersection by the
warbirds/trimotor/demo area or stop by for a beer at nite, we're at the
childrens pavilion by the red barn.

Gert


Larry Bowen wrote:
>
>
> A suggestion for EAA/FAA regarding the departure procedures -
>
> If a departure briefing is required, or nearly so, it needs to be state
> it
> more clearly in the NOTAM. I was one of many who tried to leave without
> a
> briefing sheet last year (my first as PIC), and was briefed at the hold
> short line with the engine running. I chose not to get a briefing
> because I
> already had a thorough understanding of the departure procedures in the
> NOTAM, the wx was great, I had no questions, and it wasn't required.
>
> Also, address the run-up. I've seen orange shirts waving off some poor,
> conscientious guy trying to do a run-up somewhere, anywhere, on the way
> to
> the departure area. Put the policies/guidelines/restrictions in the
> NOTAM.
> My searches on this topic in NOTAM returned nothing.
>
> Thanks for you volunteer efforts and keep up the great work.
>
> -
> Larry Bowen
> Larry(at)BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:17 am    Post subject: OSH Parking Comments Reply with quote

Warning- Shameless plug to follow-

Speaking of the red barn, OSH parking, and volunteering, you can put all
three together. You can fly in to OSH, park on any bit of aeroshell sqaure
you'd like, and get dirty in the red barn. Just not during the
convention...

In about an hour I'll be picking up a friend and (unfortunately) driving up
to OSH for a work party weekend. We'll be working on site mx and prep,
staying at the volunteer bunkhouse, and eating most of our meals in the
volunteer kitchen. One night typically involves some sort of a BBQ, and
Paul and Audrey usually show up to spend an evening with us. It's all
pretty rewarding, and those few that fly in get to park on the square if
they so choose. It's a good chance to 'give back' without missing any of
the convention, as well as see what the place looks like without 3/4 of a
million people blocking the view...

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