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Mike Whisky
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Hi,
I filled up my RV-10 on its third flight and had to see that it leaks out through the vent line. The QB tank maker obviously has forgoten to tighten the nut to the an fitting inside the tank.
Did anyone ever manage to build a tool that would allow to enter through the tank sensor hole to tighten it?
I'd hat to take off the tank and go with Vans advice and cut a hole to get inside the tank, and ruin my paint job. The soft screws most likely won't come out easily as well.
Any ideas?
Mike
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amekler
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| Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:03 pm Post subject: Has this ever been done... |
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I had the same issue and had to cut open tank to tighten. I heard after someone made a tool but don't remember who it was.
Alan
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On Sep 5, 2013, at 4:41 PM, "Mike Whisky" <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net> wrote:
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Hi,
I filled up my RV-10 on its third flight and had to see that it leaks out through the vent line. The QB tank maker obviously has forgoten to tighten the nut to the an fitting inside the tank.
Did anyone ever manage to build a tool that would allow to enter through the tank sensor hole to tighten it?
I'd hat to take off the tank and go with Vans advice and cut a hole to get inside the tank, and ruin my paint job. The soft screws most likely won't come out easily as well.
Any ideas?
Mike
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robertbrunk(at)me.com
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| Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:05 pm Post subject: Has this ever been done... |
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Do like I did. Have Vans send you a new tank. Mine leaked from the rivets.Not enough proseal. I sent a DTPA notice and got new tanks made and installed by Vans. The new tanks still leak the same. I gave up. I found another way to seal my pimply looking tanks. Regards, Robert
On Sep 5, 2013, at 3:41 PM, Mike Whisky <rv-10(at)wellenzohn.net> wrote:
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Hi,
I filled up my RV-10 on its third flight and had to see that it leaks out through the vent line. The QB tank maker obviously has forgoten to tighten the nut to the an fitting inside the tank.
Did anyone ever manage to build a tool that would allow to enter through the tank sensor hole to tighten it?
I'd hat to take off the tank and go with Vans advice and cut a hole to get inside the tank, and ruin my paint job. The soft screws most likely won't come out easily as well.
Any ideas?
Mike
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woxofswa
Joined: 12 Aug 2008
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Location: AZ
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| Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: Has this ever been done... |
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Mike Andresen in AZ had this problem and machined a tool to fix it without cutting into the wing.
I'm pretty sure he is on here, but don't know his moniker. He has a blog of his build that most likely describes it. His email is
azcloudflyer(at)earthlink.net
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Jim Berry
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| Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Has this ever been done... |
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The info you are looking for is on the VAF site. Search for azcloudflyer 2011 for a description and photos of the tool he made.
Jim Berry
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tomhanaway
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Location: Murphy, NC
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| Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: Has this ever been done... |
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Mike,
I can confirm that azcloudflyers's tool works. Same issue, QB wings and they hadn't tightened the nut that holds the vent line to the end of wing. In my case,, the plane wasn't painted so I pulled the tanks for easier access. After putting the tanks back on, I tested to see if it would still work with the wings on. I can confirm that you will have sufficient access with just the wing walk covers removed.
Tom Hanaway
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bill.peyton
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tfarrell839
Joined: 10 Nov 2012
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Location: Watsonville, CA
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| Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:23 pm Post subject: Has this ever been done... |
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We were able to do it here, with a bit of patience, some smaller hands and . . . offset wrenches?? I don't remember exactly, but no need to cut your tanks open!
I'll have to ask the guy who did it what he did ...
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Mike Whisky
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| Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: Has this ever been done... |
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Great, thats exactly the info I was hoping for!
Did I ever mention this forum is GREAT!!
Mike
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rv10flyer
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:41 am Post subject: Re: Has this ever been done... |
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For future builders...buy slow build and two quarts of proseal. If QB then pressurize tanks to 1 psi upon receipt. Paint after test flying.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:50 am Post subject: Has this ever been done... |
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NOW you tell me! 😊
It's a lot easier to check the tanks BEFORE they are mounted on the plane. 😂
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 08:41:29 -0700
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
For future builders...buy slow build and two quarts of proseal. If QB then pressurize tanks to 1 psi upon receipt. Paint after test flying.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:02 am Post subject: Has this ever been done... |
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I used less than 1 quart, more like 3/4 used. Thus far the tanks have been
solid and there have been no leaks from the build. The idea was to get the
seal in enough that it "just" bulges out, than with a qtip I smoothed it all
out. Every rivet was prosealed, than another quick dab around every rivet. I
feared that I wasn't using enough but in the end, one just needs enough to
seal everything without too much in between the pieces, too much and it is
harder to rivet, unless a larger rivet is used, and proseal oozes out
everywhere.
It is a time consuming process and if anything requires a detailed
attention, it's the tanks. I went through numerous syringes but that was the
best method to get the width and application on smoothly.
Pascal
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jdriggs49(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:21 am Post subject: Has this ever been done... |
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What's a pain is when you pay good money for a QB and the tanks still leak. ðŸ˜
[quote] From: rv10flyer(at)live.com
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Has this ever been done...
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 09:02:15 -0700
I used less than 1 quart, more like 3/4 used. Thus far the tanks have been
solid and there have been no leaks from the build. The idea was to get the
seal in enough that it "just" bulges out, than with a qtip I smoothed it all
out. Every rivet was prosealed, than another quick dab around every rivet. I
feared that I wasn't using enough but in the end, one just needs enough to
seal everything without too much in between the pieces, too much and it is
harder to rivet, unless a larger rivet is used, and proseal oozes out
everywhere.
It is a time consuming process and if anything requires a detailed
attention, it's the tanks. I went through numerous syringes but that was the
best method to get the width and application on smoothly.
Pascal
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rv10flyer(at)live.com
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:35 am Post subject: Has this ever been done... |
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There really is no excuse for not testing a tank and correcting it before it ever left the shop. Its more work to fix the tank from the outside than doing it right from the inside.
From: Danny Riggs (jdriggs49(at)msn.com)
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 9:20 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Re: Has this ever been done...
What's a pain is when you pay good money for a QB and the tanks still leak. 
> From: rv10flyer(at)live.com
[quote] To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Has this ever been done...
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 09:02:15 -0700
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com>
I used less than 1 quart, more like 3/4 used. Thus far the tanks have been
solid and there have been no leaks from the build. The idea was to get the
seal in enough that it "just" bulges out, than with a qtip I smoothed it all
out. Every rivet was prosealed, than another quick dab around every rivet. I
feared that I wasn't using enough but in the end, one just needs enough to
seal everything without too much in between the pieces, too much and it is
harder to rivet, unless a larger rivet is used, and proseal oozes out
everywhere.
It is a time consuming process and if anything requires a detailed
attention, it's the tanks. I went through numerous syringes but that was the
best method to get the width and application on smoothly.
Pascal
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rene(at)felker.com
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:53 am Post subject: Has this ever been done... |
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I tested mine and they were both good. After about a year and a half the passenger tank started leaking, one rivet in the walk area. And, after 5 years, I now have a seep out of the pilot take walk area. Would not call it a leak yet, but it will need some attention…….
I thought I did a good job on the walk area….but maybe not. L
Rene' Felker
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801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pascal
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 10:36 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Has this ever been done...
There really is no excuse for not testing a tank and correcting it before it ever left the shop. Its more work to fix the tank from the outside than doing it right from the inside.
From: Danny Riggs (jdriggs49(at)msn.com)
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 9:20 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: Re: Has this ever been done...
What's a pain is when you pay good money for a QB and the tanks still leak.
[quote] From: rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Has this ever been done...
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 09:02:15 -0700
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)>
I used less than 1 quart, more like 3/4 used. Thus far the tanks have been
solid and there have been no leaks from the build. The idea was to get the
seal in enough that it "just" bulges out, than with a qtip I smoothed it all
out. Every rivet was prosealed, than another quick dab around every rivet. I
feared that I wasn't using enough but in the end, one just needs enough to
seal everything without too much in between the pieces, too much and it is
harder to rivet, unless a larger rivet is used, and proseal oozes out
everywhere.
It is a time consuming process and if anything requires a detailed
attention, it's the tanks. I went through numerous syringes but that was the
best method to get the width and application on smoothly.
Pascal
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Mike Whisky
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Has this ever been done... |
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Thanks to AZcloudflyer his tool and method worked the vent line doesn't leak anymore. Just for information this leak can not be detected with vans proposed method o leak testing because the leak is in the vent line inside the tank. You have to plug the vent line with your finger near the fuel cap opening and apply pleasure on the vent line fitting. Now HB-YNN is filled up and after 1h of flight it seams to still to be tight.
Cheers
Michael
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