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funnyb0nz

Joined: 31 Aug 2013
Posts: 15

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:53 am Post subject: Couple question

Hey guys, I see a lot of Kolb Firestar II's for sale on Barnstormers. I plan on picking up a KXP. There are a couple others that are newer, however don't have current annual and there was one with no N number. Is it best to stay clear from them if they are not current?

I currently fly out of airport, so thinking its best to stay with something that has current annual, and also N numbered?

What are your thoughts? Get older KOLB KXP that is current? or get a 2003 that is year passed annual and cost a couple grand more?



Thanks

herbgh(at)nctc.com
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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:00 am Post subject: Couple question

I have a friend who swears that his 7 rib Firestar with a 377 is UL 

legal....So..would not discount that possibility.... Herb

On 09/07/2013 02:53 PM, funnyb0nz wrote:

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 Hey guys, I see a lot of Kolb Firestar II's for sale on Barnstormers. I plan on picking up a KXP. There are a couple others that are newer, however don't have current annual and there was one with no N number. Is it best to stay clear from them if they are not current?

 I currently fly out of airport, so thinking its best to stay with something that has current annual, and also N numbered?

 What are your thoughts? Get older KOLB KXP that is current? or get a 2003 that is year passed annual and cost a couple grand more?



 Thanks





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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:06 am Post subject: Couple question

I have a Firestar II and I like it. However a friend of mine has a KXP with a 7 rib wing, and the honest truth is that his plane will run circles around mine. Take offs are shorter, landings are shorter, climb is better, and the thing with a 503 will run as fast or faster than mine with a HKS. Of course I get better mileage with the HKS, and my plane is heavier, and I am heavier, but I would have to think long and hard if he wanted to trade. There is no way that I would consider any plane without a N number, it is just trouble that you don't really need.  Larry

  



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 Hey guys, I see a lot of Kolb Firestar II's for sale on Barnstormers. I plan on picking up a KXP. There are a couple others that are newer, however don't have current annual and there was one with no N number. Is it best to stay clear from them if they are not current?

   I currently fly out of airport, so thinking its best to stay with something that has current annual, and also N numbered?

 What are your thoughts? Get older KOLB KXP that is current? or get a 2003 that is year passed annual and cost a couple grand more?

 

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rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:42 am Post subject: Couple question

Dan, If you look at any Firestar that claims to be UL legal make sure your pre buy inspection specifies a weight and balance done by an independent shop that you pay. That way you know what you are getting isn't someone's bright idea of an ultralight. You should also do the AC 103-7 worksheet which should also show that a Firestar is about 25 mph too fast to be an ultralight as well.  If you want to think about getting an unregistered plane "brought in" by getting it registered, talk to your local FSDO or contact a DAR. The official line is that the only option available is Experimental Exhibition, but who knows. My advice is get it in writing if they tell you there's a path to Experimental Amateur Built and make sure they understand that the plane is built and flying, not some kit you're going to complete. Herb, According to Rotax, the 377 actually weighs 2.2 lb. (1 kg) MORE than a 447 (assuming their both using the same gearbox and exhaust). Kolb listed the empty weight of the Firestar as typically 325 lb. I think you're friend has rather generous scales.

 



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On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:00 AM, herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com (herbgh(at)nctc.com)> wrote:

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 I have a friend who swears that his 7 rib Firestar with a 377 is UL legal...So..would not discount that possibility.... Herb

 

 

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 Hey guys, I see a lot of Kolb Firestar II's for sale on Barnstormers. I plan on picking up a KXP. There are a couple others that are newer, however don't have current annual and there was one with no N number. Is it best to stay clear from them if they are not current?

  I currently fly out of airport, so thinking its best to stay with something that has current annual, and also N numbered?

 What are your thoughts? Get older KOLB KXP that is current? or get a 2003 that is year passed annual and cost a couple grand more?

 

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herbgh(at)nctc.com
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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:12 pm Post subject: Couple question

I think,early on, the fuselage for some of the smaller Kolbs were built 

with .028(029?)  cro molly...and I think the early Firestar's were quite 

light...Not sure that the factory has specs for pre TNK Firestars....?  

Surprised that the 377 weighs more than the 447? How can that be?  

Electronic ign. vs points?



   Dennis. can you weigh in on this...I am looking for a "light" 

Firestar...Herb



On 09/07/2013 05:42 PM, Richard Girard wrote:

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		   Dan, If you look at any Firestar that claims to be UL legal make sure 

 your pre buy inspection specifies a weight and balance done by an 

 independent shop that you pay. That way you know what you are getting 

 isn't someone's bright idea of an ultralight. You should also do the 

 AC 103-7 worksheet which should also show that a Firestar is about 25 

 mph too fast to be an ultralight as well.

  If you want to think about getting an unregistered plane "brought in" 

 by getting it registered, talk to your local FSDO or contact a DAR. 

 The official line is that the only option available is Experimental 

 Exhibition, but who knows. My advice is get it in writing if they tell 

 you there's a path to Experimental Amateur Built and make sure they 

 understand that the plane is built and flying, not some kit you're 

 going to complete.

 Herb, According to Rotax, the 377 actually weighs 2.2 lb. (1 kg) MORE 

 than a 447 (assuming their both using the same gearbox and exhaust). 

 Kolb listed the empty weight of the Firestar as typically 325 lb. I 

 think you're friend has rather generous scales.



 Rick Girard

funnyb0nz

Joined: 31 Aug 2013
Posts: 15

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:29 pm Post subject: Re: Couple question

Hey guys, thanks for the info. I am taking a road trip about 6 hours away tomorrow to look at the KXP. It has current annual, and also N number which I prefer. I will keep you all updated. If I buy it, I am sure I am going to have lots of questions.



Thanks for feedback!

Ducati SS

Joined: 15 Oct 2009
Posts: 93

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Couple question

A guess on weight....Though I have had them apart I never measured the thickness of a 377 cylinder liner, but it would not be at all unusual for a manufacturer to use a much thicker liner than needed on a new design to allow for a future increase in displacement. That would account for the smaller displacement engines extra weight. The Suzuki TM 100 comes to mind, much heaver cylinder than the otherwise identical TM 125.

R. Hankins

Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 185
Location: Grants Pass, Oregon

Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Couple question

As long as the aircraft has been well maintained, I would go with the older, current  KXP.  Mine is a 1992 kit that has been flying since 1999.  It has 640 hrs on it at the moment.  I flew it 291 miles today in just over 4 hrs and burned 15.3 gals of gas.  That is 19mpg at an avg of 71mph with a dual carb 503.  Do make sure it has 7 main wing ribs.  If it has 5, it is not a KXP.  The 2 extra ribs were added for the 503 engine.

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R. Hankins

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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Couple question

As long as the aircraft has been well maintained, I would go with the older, current  KXP.  Mine is a 1992 kit that has been flying since 1999.  It has 640 hrs on it at the moment.  I flew it 291 miles today in just over 4 hrs and burned 15.3 gals of gas.  That is 19mpg at an avg of 71mph with a dual carb 503.  Do make sure it has 7 main wing ribs.  If it has 5, it is not a KXP.  The 2 extra ribs were added for the 503 engine.

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funnyb0nz

Joined: 31 Aug 2013
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: Couple question

Hey guys, I am now the new owner of a KXP, it did have 7 ribs, that is one thing the old owner told me. He actually told me about this forum. I am sure I will have many questions. So if anyone has pics of a full enclosure that I could see to get some ideas, that would be greatly appreciated. Want to have it ready for winter flying, but also like to take the doors off for spring/summer flying.

What is best to use to clean the material of the kxp, it needs a nice bath and would like to detail it up so looks really nice before I get trained to fly it.

Thanks!

rowedenny

Joined: 09 Mar 2008
Posts: 338
Location: Western PA

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:50 am Post subject: Couple question

I use dish soap in water and a car cleaning sponge or mitten.



Dennis "Skid" Rowe

Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA



On Sep 9, 2013, at 9:45 PM, "funnyb0nz" <dan_eshman(at)hotmail.com> wrote:



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 Hey guys, I am now the new owner of a KXP, it did have 7 ribs, that is one thing the old owner told me. He actually told me about this forum. I am sure I will have many questions. So if anyone has pics of a full enclosure that I could see to get some ideas, that would be greatly appreciated. Want to have it ready for winter flying, but also like to take the doors off for spring/summer flying.

 What is best to use to clean the material of the kxp, it needs a nice bath and would like to detail it up so looks really nice before I get trained to fly it.

 

 

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beauford173(at)tampabay.r
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Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:47 am Post subject: Couple question

Brother Dan:



Have had good luck (no evident  aluminum or 4130 corrosion) with a little

common dishwashing

detergent highly diluted in water.  FWIW, I would definitely stay away from

any alkaline-based cleaners such as

Simple Green or TSP.  Many are reactive with aluminum and if the cleaning

solution gets trapped against tubing, such as under fabric or inside the

wing, they can attack the protective aluminum oxide surface and initiate

corrosion.



Worth about what ye paid fer it...



Enjoy your new Kolb....



beauford

FF-076

Brandon, FL



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On Sep 9, 2013, at 9:45 PM, "funnyb0nz" <dan_eshman(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

" Hey guys, I am now the new owner of a KXP> What is best to use to clean

the material of the kxp, it needs a nice bath



 and would like to detail it up so looks really nice before I get trained to

fly it.

Thanks!

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