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 Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:29 pm Post subject: smoking again |
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Troops,
Some times a problem has the simplest answer. I’ve been having a problem with my smoke system for about a year. I didn’t use it a lot because it dirtied up the bottom of my CJ so I was in no hurry to really fix it. But lately with the sequestration, my co-hearts & I have been getting a lot of request to do fly-bys for one function or another. Thus the need for smoke now, and I started looking into it.
At first I thought it was the pump that had finally crapped out. The pump was a un-repairable red-tagged 24v fuel transfer pump whose bearings were going bad. It was cheap (like free) and perfectly OK for the job. So I got a brand new 24v pump. Same problem, very little flow out the exhaust stacks. So than I checked the injectors in the exhaust stacks themselves, figuring they might simply be clogged. I cleaned and made sure the holes were opened. Same problem. That left the electric shut off valve. I by passed the valve with the hoses, and sure enough I had free flow! Ah Ha! Must be a bad 24v electric shut valve.
Now this valve was originally the oil delusion valve that came with the airplane when I brought her some 18 years ago. The way I set up the wiring was to open this valve when the pump was turned on. When I built my smoke system (I am cheap) I left it in the same spot but put my smoke oil pluming though it.
That’s when I came to the Yaklist to seek out a substitute. However it turned out that Dough Sapp had a brand new original delusion valve in stock, which I bought. Not cheap (free is perfect) but definitely reasonable. Soooooo yesterday as I remove the old valve from the front firewall, I found that the cannon plug for its power was NOT HOOKED UP! As a matter of fact I at first I could not even find it! So I got out the flash light and after a peering around in the area between the 1st & 2nd firewalls, I found it wrapped around some of the airlines. That must have happen in my little acro routines. Boy! Did I feel stupid. But as my wife (a retired social worker ) says “Honey, think of it as a "learning experience"”. Well now I have a new pump, and a new shutoff valve. And I got a lot of suggestions from a lot of caring folks on this list. But perhaps I could have gotten another 18 years on the system IF I had just look a little deeper. Yes I’m still a CASOB.
KISS
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:08 pm Post subject: smoking again |
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Pappy how long has your valve been delusional?
Tom Elliott
CJ-6A NX63727
777 Quartz Ave
PMB 7004
Sandy Valley NV
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Cell 541-297-5497
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From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:27 PM
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Subject: smoking again
Troops,
Some times a problem has the simplest answer. I’ve been having a problem with my smoke system for about a year. I didn’t use it a lot because it dirtied up the bottom of my CJ so I was in no hurry to really fix it. But lately with the sequestration, my co-hearts & I have been getting a lot of request to do fly-bys for one function or another. Thus the need for smoke now, and I started looking into it.Â
At first I thought it was the pump that had finally crapped out. The pump was a un-repairable red-tagged 24v fuel transfer pump whose bearings were going bad. It was cheap (like free) and perfectly OK for the job. So I got a brand new 24v pump. Same problem, very little flow out the exhaust stacks. So than I checked the injectors in the exhaust stacks themselves, figuring they might simply be clogged. I cleaned and made sure the holes were opened. Same problem. That left the electric shut off valve. I by passed the valve with the hoses, and sure enough I had free flow! Ah Ha! Must be a bad 24v electric shut valve.Â
Now this valve was originally the oil delusion valve that came with the airplane when I brought her some 18 years ago. The way I set up the wiring was to open this valve when the pump was turned on. When I built my smoke system (I am cheap) I left it in the same spot but put my smoke oil pluming though it.
That’s when I came to the Yaklist to seek out a substitute. However it turned out that Dough Sapp had a brand new original delusion valve in stock, which I bought. Not cheap (free is perfect) but definitely reasonable. Soooooo yesterday as I remove the old valve from the front firewall, I found that the cannon plug for its power was NOT HOOKED UP! As a matter of fact I at first I could not even find it! So I got out the flash light and after a peering around in the area between the 1st & 2nd firewalls, I found it wrapped around some of the airlines. That must have happen in my little acro routines. Boy! Did I feel stupid. But as my wife (a retired social worker ) says “Honey, think of it as a "learning experience"”. Well now I have a new pump, and a new shutoff valve. And I got a lot of suggestions from a lot of caring folks on this list. But perhaps I could have gotten another 18 years on the system IF I had just look a little deeper. Yes I’m still a CASOB.Â
KISS
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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| Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:25 pm Post subject: smoking again |
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Takes about 40 years when you smoke! It is irreversible after that. ;^))
Doc
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On Sep 24, 2013, at 9:06 PM, "Tom Elliott" <N13472(at)aol.com (N13472(at)aol.com)> wrote:
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Pappy how long has your valve been delusional?
Tom Elliott
CJ-6A NX63727
777 Quartz Ave
PMB 7004
Sandy Valley NV
89019
Cell 541-297-5497
N13472(at)AOL.COM (N13472(at)AOL.COM)
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Subject: smoking again
Troops,
Some times a problem has the simplest answer. I’ve been having a problem with my smoke system for about a year. I didn’t use it a lot because it dirtied up the bottom of my CJ so I was in no hurry to really fix it. But lately with the sequestration, my co-hearts & I have been getting a lot of request to do fly-bys for one function or another. Thus the need for smoke now, and I started looking into it.
At first I thought it was the pump that had finally crapped out. The pump was a un-repairable red-tagged 24v fuel transfer pump whose bearings were going bad. It was cheap (like free) and perfectly OK for the job. So I got a brand new 24v pump. Same problem, very little flow out the exhaust stacks. So than I checked the injectors in the exhaust stacks themselves, figuring they might simply be clogged. I cleaned and made sure the holes were opened. Same problem. That left the electric shut off valve. I by passed the valve with the hoses, and sure enough I had free flow! Ah Ha! Must be a bad 24v electric shut valve.
Now this valve was originally the oil delusion valve that came with the airplane when I brought her some 18 years ago. The way I set up the wiring was to open this valve when the pump was turned on. When I built my smoke system (I am cheap) I left it in the same spot but put my smoke oil pluming though it.
That’s when I came to the Yaklist to seek out a substitute. However it turned out that Dough Sapp had a brand new original delusion valve in stock, which I bought. Not cheap (free is perfect) but definitely reasonable. Soooooo yesterday as I remove the old valve from the front firewall, I found that the cannon plug for its power was NOT HOOKED UP! As a matter of fact I at first I could not even find it! So I got out the flash light and after a peering around in the area between the 1st & 2nd firewalls, I found it wrapped around some of the airlines. That must have happen in my little acro routines. Boy! Did I feel stupid. But as my wife (a retired social worker ) says “Honey, think of it as a "learning experience"”. Well now I have a new pump, and a new shutoff valve. And I got a lot of suggestions from a lot of caring folks on this list. But perhaps I could have gotten another 18 years on the system IF I had just look a little deeper. Yes I’m still a CASOB.
KISS
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Vic
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| Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:07 am Post subject: Re: smoking again |
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Hello,
I say, no need for a shut-off valve in the smoke oil line. I had one fitted but removed it for max oil flow. Works just as well like that : Switch pump on - smoke. Switch pump off - no smoke. Its the KISS approach ...........
Cheers
Vic
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William Halverson
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| Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:26 am Post subject: smoking again |
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Agreed.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:50 am Post subject: smoking again |
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Ooooops. Spell check failed me again. Pappy
In a message dated 9/25/2013 9:49:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N13472(at)aol.com writes:
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Pappy how long has your valve been delusional?
Tom Elliott
CJ-6A NX63727
777 Quartz Ave
PMB 7004
Sandy Valley NV
89019
Cell 541-297-5497
N13472(at)AOL.COM
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 6:27 PM
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: smoking again
Troops,
Some times a problem has the simplest answer. I’ve been having a problem with my smoke system for about a year. I didn’t use it a lot because it dirtied up the bottom of my CJ so I was in no hurry to really fix it. But lately with the sequestration, my co-hearts & I have been getting a lot of request to do fly-bys for one function or another. Thus the need for smoke now, and I started looking into it.
At first I thought it was the pump that had finally crapped out. The pump was a un-repairable red-tagged 24v fuel transfer pump whose bearings were going bad. It was cheap (like free) and perfectly OK for the job. So I got a brand new 24v pump. Same problem, very little flow out the exhaust stacks. So than I checked the injectors in the exhaust stacks themselves, figuring they might simply be clogged. I cleaned and made sure the holes were opened. Same problem. That left the electric shut off valve. I by passed the valve with the hoses, and sure enough I had free flow! Ah Ha! Must be a bad 24v electric shut valve.
Now this valve was originally the oil delusion valve that came with the airplane when I brought her some 18 years ago. The way I set up the wiring was to open this valve when the pump was turned on. When I built my smoke system (I am cheap) I left it in the same spot but put my smoke oil pluming though it.
That’s when I came to the Yaklist to seek out a substitute. However it turned out that Dough Sapp had a brand new original delusion valve in stock, which I bought. Not cheap (free is perfect) but definitely reasonable. Soooooo yesterday as I remove the old valve from the front firewall, I found that the cannon plug for its power was NOT HOOKED UP! As a matter of fact I at first I could not even find it! So I got out the flash light and after a peering around in the area between the 1st & 2nd firewalls, I found it wrapped around some of the airlines. That must have happen in my little acro routines. Boy! Did I feel stupid. But as my wife (a retired social worker ) says “Honey, think of it as a "learning experience"”. Well now I have a new pump, and a new shutoff valve. And I got a lot of suggestions from a lot of caring folks on this list. But perhaps I could have gotten another 18 years on the system IF I had just look a little deeper. Yes I’m still a CASOB.
KISS
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:51 am Post subject: smoking again |
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Good point.
In a message dated 9/25/2013 10:04:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vicmolnar(at)aol.com writes:
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Hello,
I say, no need for a shut-off valve in the smoke oil line. I had one fitted but removed it for max oil flow. Works just as well like that : Switch pump on - smoke. Switch pump off - no smoke. Its the KISS approach ...........
Cheers
Vic
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