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tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:35 am Post subject: Sub Panels....thanks

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		   Thank you for the replies regarding sub panels, Graham and co.  I get the single consolidated list Digest email which unfortunately does not have the photos, but I know there is some way to dig them out of the web, so I'm off to try and find them. Meanwhile I'll give this whole sub panel stuff some serious thought.


	


Regards

Tony Renshaw

Alan Carter

Joined: 02 Jul 2012
Posts: 378
Location: Kent, England.

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:54 am Post subject: Re: Sub Panels....thanks

Hi Tony.

My panel which I did not build has the six main instruments in a sub panel secured by six screws, the chap who built it did not use anchor bolts, when I try to remove the panel, the screws just went round and round, a nice sub panel that you can't remove, just my luck.

However if I ever get it off there is always the opportunity of hinging it from the bottom, provided they is the clearance for the instruments as they rotate through the 90 degrees,?

I see some postings of all electric panels on the forum, but I can not see any room to mount the stand by vacuum driven instrument, the minimum would be a Turn and Slip ,ASI, Altimeter and Compass to maintain control if you are very very good ,just the last two but only in calm air.

You could have Main Electric instruments and battery electric standby, say an ipad horizon, but in flight some strange things can happen, so I would not rely on this and use vacuum for stand by.

VFR is the rule , but there could be a time when circumstances put you in cloud or on top of cloud, and without instruments in cloud or over the sea in poor visibilty I know you would be out of control within less than 3 minutes.

I would have thought the LAA would have something laid out on just what you must have,???

Regards.

Alan

Alan Carter

Joined: 02 Jul 2012
Posts: 378
Location: Kent, England.

Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: Sub Panels....thanks

Hi All

Tried to fly on limited panel today in my Europa, Cheap instruments as seen in many Europa's, Turn Co ordinator   bouncing from side to side, dependant on the DI only, the thermals tossing it about made it a very unstable instrument platform making flying extremely difficult.

I would not like to be in a real situation in bad weather on limited panel in a Europa.

Give me a Robin to fly IMC a nice stable platform.

Regards.

Alan

kevinmarie(at)blueyonder.
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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:06 pm Post subject: Sub Panels....thanks

Alan



I am doing my IMC training on my Europa. It seems fine to me.



You seem to find such fault with the Europa why did you buy one?



Kevin

On 21 Sep 2013, at 21:36, "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> wrote:



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 Hi All

 Tried to fly on limited panel today in my Europa, Cheap instruments as seen in many Europa's, Turn Co ordinator   bouncing from side to side, dependant on the DI only, the thermals tossing it about made it a very unstable instrument platform making flying extremely difficult.

 I would not like to be in a real situation in bad weather on limited panel in a Europa.

 Give me a Robin to fly IMC a nice stable platform.

 Regards.

 Alan

 

 

 

 

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Alan Carter

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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: Sub Panels....thanks

Kevin,

I am not sure on this maybe you have the answer,

But as far as I know the Europa is not cleared for flight in IMC.

and if ever you find yourself in  real cloud being bumped around in bad weather on limited panel I think you will find it quit frightening, and maybe a change of underpants needed. Cloud is beautiful and fun to fly in, but it can also kill you. 

The reason I purchased a Europa is that it can be trailed around as you can de rige the plane in 20 minutes, trailer it home for repair, store it in my garage if I get short of money and can't afford the hangerage, few home built aircraft have this potential , pretty simple reasons .

Regards,

Alan

Alan Carter

Joined: 02 Jul 2012
Posts: 378
Location: Kent, England.

Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: Sub Panels....thanks

Hello.

I am not 100% sure on this myself, as I have been Retired for some years and no longer a CAA Examiner.

But just posting the comments of a friend who is a currently an Examiner.

He seems to think you can not do an IMC rating using a Europa.

It must be a certified aeroplane with the appropriate licenced equipment.

So it would be wise to check this out for yourself if you are talking about a UK rating, I asked the question just out of interest,as I have an nppl and no interest in an IMC Rating.

Regards.

Alan

Paul M 383

Joined: 19 Mar 2012
Posts: 97
Location: United Kingdom

Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: IMC in permit aircraft [was: Sub Panels....thanks]

ANO Article 23(5) - Limitations of national permits to fly: "An aircraft flying in accordance with a permit to fly may only be flown by day and in accordance with the Visual Flight Rules unless the prior permission of the CAA has been obtained." 



CAP 733 and LAA Leaflet 2.10 "Operating on a Permit to Fly compared with a CofA" also clearly state the Operating Limitations... 



...but surely you have a placard in your aircraft to comply with the ANO, as per LAA TL 2.11, which states, inter alia, "Daytime VFR only"?



www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/operating_aircraft.html

www.caa.co.uk/cap733



Of course, the ANO only applies in the UK, but then so does an IMC rating...



HTH



Paul M

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Alan Carter

Joined: 02 Jul 2012
Posts: 378
Location: Kent, England.

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: Sub Panels....thanks

Hi Paul.

This is getting a bit confusing, I have thousands of hours on instruments, and at my age I only fly in good weather, and have no intension of flying in IMC in a Europa, and I do have the Placard in the aircraft. 

Its is not me doing the IMC Rating, its another pilot, or other pilots.

I was only trying to be helpful in pointing out that the hours towards an IMC rating carried out on a Europa may not count towards the rating.

So better check it out. I see no reason why you cannot practice instrument flying with a check pilot or instructor, but I don,t think ? the hours will count towards the rating, ??? Its not for me to find out.

Alan

kevinmarie(at)blueyonder.
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:03 pm Post subject: Sub Panels....thanks

They do count.



Kevin Challis

On 8 Oct 2013, at 21:55, "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> wrote:



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 Hi Paul.

 This is getting a bit confusing, I have thousands of hours on instruments, and at my age I only fly in good weather, and have no intension of flying in IMC in a Europa, and I do have the Placard in the aircraft. 

 Its is not me doing the IMC Rating, its another pilot, or other pilots.

 I was only trying to be helpful in pointing out that the hours towards an IMC rating carried out on a Europa may not count towards the rating.

 So better check it out. I see no reason why you cannot practice instrument flying with a check pilot or instructor, but I don,t think ? the hours will count towards the rating, ??? Its not for me to find out.

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Alan Carter

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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: Sub Panels....thanks

Hello Kevin

Well that's the Answer,

So my Examiner was wrong, I will tell him.

Regards.

Alan

Alan Carter

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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:43 am Post subject: Re: Sub Panels....thanks

Hi,

Met my Examiner friend today, and he said the IMC rating is a 15 course with a test and written examine , it must be done on an aircraft with a C of A, with the appropriate equipment including a VOR and ADF, also you can not even do it on an American registered aircraft even with the gear, guess he had someone who wanted to do one on a N reg, and checked it out

He seemed quit confident in his facts, I am just posting his comments not mine as I have not checked myself.

Alan

kevinmarie(at)blueyonder.
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:57 am Post subject: Sub Panels....thanks

I have just completed the IMC on my Europa.



Kev

On 13 Oct 2013, at 20:43, "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> wrote:



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 Hi,

 Met my Examiner friend today, and he said the IMC rating is a 15 course with a test and written examine , it must be done on an aircraft with a C of A, with the appropriate equipment including a VOR and ADF, also you can not even do it on an American registered aircraft even with the gear, guess he had someone who wanted to do one on a N reg, and checked it out

 He seemed quit confident in his facts, I am just posting his comments not mine as I have not checked myself.

 Alan

 

 

 

 

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Alan Carter

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Location: Kent, England.

Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:11 am Post subject: Re: Sub Panels....thanks

Hi Kevin.

Well congratulations in passing the test, I must say I find it hard to believe my Examiner is wrong, as he is usually right, I am going back to him with my tail between my legs.

Many thanks.

Alan

stranfaer(at)btinternet.c
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:33 am Post subject: Sub Panels....thanks

Wouldn't advertise this to the CAA

 

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I have just completed the IMC on my Europa.



Kev

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 Hi,

 Met my Examiner friend  today, and he said the IMC rating is a 15 course with a test and written examine , it must be done on an aircraft with a C of A, with the appropriate equipment including a VOR and ADF, also you can not even do it on an American registered aircraft even with the gear, guess he had someone who wanted to do one on a N reg, and checked it out

 He seemed quit confident in his facts, I am just posting his comments not mine as I have not checked myself.

 Alan

 

 

 

 

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kevinmarie(at)blueyonder.
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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:34 pm Post subject: Sub Panels....thanks

Still NDB, SRA, DME ARC, ILS using ADF, VOR, DME. But NOT GPS. Even though I understand they are switching These aids are off in the future.



Kev



On 13 Oct 2013, at 21:14, "pete(at)lawless.info (pete(at)lawless.info)" <pete(at)lawless.info (pete(at)lawless.info)> wrote:

[quote] Congratulations Kev

What sort of IFR approaches do you have to fly these days?  presumably you were not required to fly an ndb - the vintage nonsence we used to have to perform.

Pete



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I have just completed the IMC on my Europa.



Kev

On 13 Oct 2013, at 20:43, "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net (alancarteresq(at)onetel.net)> wrote:



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 Hi,

 Met my Examiner friend today, and he said the IMC rating is a 15 course with a test and written examine , it must be done on an aircraft with a C of A, with the appropriate equipment including a VOR and ADF, also you can not even do it on an American registered aircraft even with the gear, guess he had someone who wanted to do one on a N reg, and checked it out

 He seemed quit confident in his facts, I am just posting his comments not mine as I have not checked myself.

 Alan

 

 

 

 

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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:48 pm Post subject: Sub Panels....thanks

You don't have to be in IMC to train, you use a Sight limiting device I used plastic glasses that only allow you to see the panel. 

It would be illegal to fly in cloud in a Europa but if I get stuck I would prefer to break the law and land than crash! The IMC is a get out of trouble rating anyway.



Kev



On 13 Oct 2013, at 23:34, Kevin Challis <kevinmarie(at)blueyonder.co.uk (kevinmarie(at)blueyonder.co.uk)> wrote:

[quote]Still NDB, SRA, DME ARC, ILS using ADF, VOR, DME. But NOT GPS. Even though I understand they are switching These aids are off in the future.



Kev



On 13 Oct 2013, at 21:14, "pete(at)lawless.info (pete(at)lawless.info)" <pete(at)lawless.info (pete(at)lawless.info)> wrote:

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		   Congratulations Kev

What sort of IFR approaches do you have to fly these days?  presumably you were not required to fly an ndb - the vintage nonsence we used to have to perform.

Pete



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I have just completed the IMC on my Europa.



Kev

On 13 Oct 2013, at 20:43, "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net (alancarteresq(at)onetel.net)> wrote:



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 Hi,

 Met my Examiner friend today, and he said the IMC rating is a 15 course with a test and written examine , it must be done on an aircraft with a C of A, with the appropriate equipment including a VOR and ADF, also you can not even do it on an American registered aircraft even with the gear, guess he had someone who wanted to do one on a N reg, and checked it out

 He seemed quit confident in his facts, I am just posting his comments not mine as I have not checked myself.

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Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:03 pm Post subject: Sub Panels....thanks

http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/2012/Magazine/July/instruments%20qualifications.pdf



On 13 Oct 2013, at 22:48, Kevin Challis <kevinmarie(at)blueyonder.co.uk (kevinmarie(at)blueyonder.co.uk)> wrote:

[quote]You don't have to be in IMC to train, you use a Sight limiting device I used plastic glasses that only allow you to see the panel. 

It would be illegal to fly in cloud in a Europa but if I get stuck I would prefer to break the law and land than crash! The IMC is a get out of trouble rating anyway.



Kev



On 13 Oct 2013, at 23:34, Kevin Challis <kevinmarie(at)blueyonder.co.uk (kevinmarie(at)blueyonder.co.uk)> wrote:

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		  Still NDB, SRA, DME ARC, ILS using ADF, VOR, DME. But NOT GPS. Even though I understand they are switching These aids are off in the future.



Kev



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		   Congratulations Kev

What sort of IFR approaches do you have to fly these days?  presumably you were not required to fly an ndb - the vintage nonsence we used to have to perform.

Pete



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I have just completed the IMC on my Europa.



Kev

On 13 Oct 2013, at 20:43, "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net (alancarteresq(at)onetel.net)> wrote:



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 Hi,

 Met my Examiner friend today, and he said the IMC rating is a 15 course with a test and written examine , it must be done on an aircraft with a C of A, with the appropriate equipment including a VOR and ADF, also you can not even do it on an American registered aircraft even with the gear, guess he had someone who wanted to do one on a N reg, and checked it out

 He seemed quit confident in his facts, I am just posting his comments not mine as I have not checked myself.

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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:13 am Post subject: Sub Panels....thanks

Morning Kev  

   

I am amazed all that kit must weigh a ton!  Be inclined to sell it and replace with a couple of GPS.  You would probably have money left over towards a respray.  

   

Regards  

   

Pete  

   

   

   

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Alan Carter

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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:36 am Post subject: Re: Sub Panels....thanks

Hello All.

I am get very confused here, but that's not unusually for me.

I have again spoken to my Examiner, he said he is an Instructor/Examiner with over 40 years experience, and he has justs said you can-not do an IMC on a permit aircraft, and if you have done your 15 hours on a Europa the CAA will throw it back at you.

You can fly around under the hood in your Europa  practising IMC with an instructor but you can not log it towards an IMC rating.

He said the Aircraft must have a Private C of A or a Public C of A

and you can not even do it on an American Registered Aircraft.

He is absolutely sure of himself. What more can I say.!!!, I am beginning to feel that I am making all of this up.

  

So please can anybody out there verify if he is correct or not as I am bewildered as both are adamant they are right.



Because if he is not correct, in his facts,( but the sod usually always is correct in his facts) 

We can all do IMC ratings using our Europa's.

Alan

alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk
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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:08 am Post subject: Sub Panels....thanks

I suggest people read AIC W 001/2011 and specifically para 4.4.2 which related to the subject under discussion. 



Cannot post an extract on my phone.



Alan Burrill



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 Hello All.

 I am get very confused here, but that's not unusually for me.

 I have again spoken to my Examiner, he said he is an Instructor/Examiner with over 40 years experience, and he has justs said you can-not do an IMC on a permit aircraft, and if you have done your 15 hours on a Europa the CAA will throw it back at you.

 You can fly around under the hood in your Europa  practising IMC with an instructor but you can not log it towards an IMC rating.

 He said the Aircraft must have a Private C of A or a Public C of A

 and you can not even do it on an American Registered Aircraft.

 He is absolutely sure of himself. What more can I say.!!!, I am beginning to feel that I am making all of this up.

 

 So please can anybody out there verify if he is correct or not as I am bewildered as both are adamant they are right.

 

 Because if he is not correct, in his facts,( but the sod usually always is correct in his facts) 

 We can all do IMC ratings using our Europa's.

 Alan

 

 

 

 

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