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yak52(at)flyredstar.org
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 Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:37 am Post subject: GT Propellors |
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This email was send to the RPA website – anybody have more info on this?
Thanks,
Deon.
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Dear YAK/ M-14 operators
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We are glad to inform you that our new 2.50 diameter prop specifically designed and builted for YAK M-14 360/400 HP has been succesfully tested by various aerobatic pilots and the performance are very good.
Shorter take off distance ,about 50 meters less compared standard V-530 original prop.
Greater climb rateo.
20 more KMH (at) 62% with standard MAP pressure.
May interest further details ?
If so do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards.
Alessandro Tonini
GT Propellers
Via del Commercio, 7
47838 Riccione (RN) Italy
Tel. +39 0541 69 33 99
Fax +39 0541 69 33 31
www.gt-propellers.com
info(at)gt-propellers.com
In caso di cattiva ricezione telefonare al n° 0541-693399 Le informazioni contenute in questo fax e/o E-Mail sono di proprietà della GT PROPELLERS s.n.c. e sono riservate, pertanto ne é inibita la diffusione mediante qualsiasi tipo di modalità venga eseguita e devono intendersi ad esclusivo uso del destinatario e/o destinatari sopra indicati. Si ricorda a tutti coloro che dovessero erroneamente ricevere questo fax e/o E-Mail che è proibito fotocopiare, distribuire, diffondere o alterare il documento. In caso di errato recapito si prega di comunicare l’accaduto tempestivamente sia tramite fax e/o E-Mail che telefonicamente e di rinviare il fax originale. Si rende noto che le informazioni e/o i dati oggetto della presente comunicazione devono essere soggetti a classificazione [ ai sensi del D. Lgs. 196/2003 Testo unico sulla Privacy) I dati dovranno essere trattati nel rispetto della normativa vigente mediante procedimenti idonei a garantire la loro sicurezza e riservatezza. Le informazioni acquisite dovranno essere conservate con le modalità previste dalla normativa di riferimento. Si potranno esercitare i diritti previsti dall’art. 7 del D. Lgs. 196/2003 nonché l’opposizione all’utilizzo dei medesimi per le finalità di cui all’oggetto a mezzo riscontro senza ritardo. L’Autorizzazione relativa alla Divulgazione a terzi [dei quali dovrà essere resa nota l’ Identificazione all’Interessato] delle informazioni oggetto della presente comunicazione verrà concessa a condizione che al più presto venga reso nota a cura del destinatario l’Informativa circa le modalità di utilizzo e di trattamento delle informazioni stesse secondo quanto previsto dal D. Lgs. 196/2003 . La violazione delle citate normative comporterà le sanzioni penali ed amministrative previste dal D. Lgs. 196/2003 .
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pa3arw(at)euronet.nl
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:07 pm Post subject: GT Propellors |
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Dennis,
That is a ridiculous price… I think I’d prefer a 3-blade MT for that kind of money….i.e. no market for this dude’s blades…..
Hans
Van: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] Namens A. Dennis Savarese
Verzonden: donderdag 15 juni 2006 22:21
Aan: yak-list(at)matronics.com; m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: GT Propellors
Yes, I do. You will notice there is no specifics on structural testing AND clearly no pricing. He avoids posting ANY retail prices. The blades are $4000 EACH. So you're looking at $8000 replacement blades with no hub. Here is a copy of my last email to Alessandro. He has not answered any of the questions in this latest email below. So he decides to post some initial test data but yet refuses to provide any structural technical specifications including destructive testing results. He's the email....verbatim. I think you'll agree with what I wrote in the email.
"Dear Alessandro,
To be very candid with you, no, the price is not getting more attractive. You must understand how the vast majority of Yak 52's (including those with V530 propellers) are flown here in the US. They are not used for aerobatics other than maybe "gentleman's aerobatics" which does not require an expensive set of blades. Most Yak52's are flown from runways (both grass and hard surface) that are 2000 feet or more. Probably less than 1-2% of all the Yak 52's in the US are flown off of "short" runways. Thus, the market for the GT blades to fulfill a shorter runway takeoff requirement is maybe 5 total airplanes. Not much of a market.
As I have said before in my emails, advertise the blades AND the price for EACH blade on Barnstormers. Barnstormers ads are almost free. There is no doubt you will receive inquiries. But inquiries do not generate revenue. Please remember that here in the US the total market is about 275 Yak 52's. Most of the other types of airplanes (not all of course) with M14P and PF engines are either aerobatic aircraft with MT-9 propellers or slow speed, high lift aircraft like the Wilga which really have no use for expensive propeller blades.
I have an idea. Why don't you tell me how many sets of blades your market research has determined you will sell here in the US by aircraft type and why you think you are going to sell that quantity of blades and over what period of time? By the way, we have a company here in the US that offers a complete overhaul of the V530 paddle prop blades including new nickel single piece leading edge and complete stripping and fiberglass recovering and precision balancing for $2100. "
Best regards,
Dennis
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----- Original Message -----
From: yak52 (yak52(at)flyredstar.org)
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:33 PM
Subject: GT Propellors
This email was send to the RPA website – anybody have more info on this?
Thanks,
Deon.
| Quote: | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dear YAK/ M-14 operators
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We are glad to inform you that our new 2.50 diameter prop specifically designed and builted for YAK M-14 360/400 HP has been succesfully tested by various aerobatic pilots and the performance are very good.
Shorter take off distance ,about 50 meters less compared standard V-530 original prop.
Greater climb rateo.
20 more KMH (at) 62% with standard MAP pressure.
May interest further details ?
If so do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards.
Alessandro Tonini
GT Propellers
Via del Commercio, 7
47838 Riccione (RN) Italy
Tel. +39 0541 69 33 99
Fax +39 0541 69 33 31
www.gt-propellers.com
info(at)gt-propellers.com
In caso di cattiva ricezione telefonare al n° 0541-693399 Le informazioni contenute in questo fax e/o E-Mail sono di proprietà della GT PROPELLERS s.n.c. e sono riservate, pertanto ne é inibita la diffusione mediante qualsiasi tipo di modalità venga eseguita e devono intendersi ad esclusivo uso del destinatario e/o destinatari sopra indicati. Si ricorda a tutti coloro che dovessero erroneamente ricevere questo fax e/o E-Mail che è proibito fotocopiare, distribuire, diffondere o alterare il documento. In caso di errato recapito si prega di comunicare l’accaduto tempestivamente sia tramite fax e/o E-Mail che telefonicamente e di rinviare il fax originale. Si rende noto che le informazioni e/o i dati oggetto della presente comunicazione devono essere soggetti a classificazione [ ai sensi del D. Lgs. 196/2003 Testo unico sulla Privacy) I dati dovranno essere trattati nel rispetto della normativa vigente mediante procedimenti idonei a garantire la loro sicurezza e riservatezza. Le informazioni acquisite dovranno essere conservate con le modalità previste dalla normativa di riferimento. Si potranno esercitare i diritti previsti dall’art. 7 del D. Lgs. 196/2003 nonché l’opposizione all’utilizzo dei medesimi per le finalità di cui all’oggetto a mezzo riscontro senza ritardo. L’Autorizzazione relativa alla Divulgazione a terzi [dei quali dovrà essere resa nota l’ Identificazione all’Interessato] delle informazioni oggetto della presente comunicazione verrà concessa a condizione che al più presto venga reso nota a cura del destinatario l’Informativa circa le modalità di utilizzo e di trattamento delle informazioni stesse secondo quanto previsto dal D. Lgs. 196/2003 . La violazione delle citate normative comporterà le sanzioni penali ed amministrative previste dal D. Lgs. 196/2003 .
GT PROPELLERS s.n.c. All rights reserved. This email is for the intended recipient(s) only. This email and any attachment contains confidential and proprietary information some or all of which may also be legally privileged. Any copying, dissemination, disclosure, modification, or use of this email by any other persons is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately. Please then permanently delete this email from your computer system. Thank you.
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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject: GT Propellors |
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I've run into this problem for over 30 years. Just because someone "creates" a product that THEY think is outstanding and they want to sell it because they think it is worth it, doesn't mean the market is going to accept it. You are the first person to comment and I'm sure you won't be the last with similar comments.
If GT's blades were "competitively" priced at say $4000 for both blades, then they would have a real market.
As I've said in many of my sales and marketing training classes over the years, "Remember, it's only worth what some is willing to pay for it."
Dennis
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cpayne(at)joimail.com
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:06 pm Post subject: GT Propellors |
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So, at long last there is a "kinda" announcement of the GT replacement blade, from a spaghetti firm no less. Heh, whats-a-matter-U Dennis? you could be the local dealer. Risking a visit from "Vinnie", my experience with this firm has been at OSH and SNF where I have been talking with them for years now. This replacement blade was announced about 2-3 years ago as I recall. I've still yet to see on on an M-14 but their spammer prop looks well finished anyway.
At $4K a blade, we aren't going to see too many flying with the RedStars. While the stock paddle blade is Old School, I've yet to be impressed by the Price/Performance of the 3-blades on the market for somebody with a CJ. We ain't doin' Unlimited acro in these things.
That being said, a replacement blade Could be a good performer, if it has an updated blade section, and advanced composites. OTOH, I re-profiled my wood blade a smidge, covered it in Kevlar and 'glass it it performs decent for the way I fly it.
Craig Payne
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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:15 pm Post subject: GT Propellors |
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Craig,
You are correct about the 2-3 years ago issue. The points you make Craig are precisely the sentiments I conveyed to them. It went on deaf ears.
Dennis
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:57 pm Post subject: GT Propellors |
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Hans,
You can get MT props for $8000?
Doc
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pa3arw(at)euronet.nl
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:22 pm Post subject: GT Propellors |
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Negative Doc, I wish I could…..it’s more like 9000……….euro’s that is………..
Hans
Van: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] Namens Roger Kemp
Verzonden: vrijdag 16 juni 2006 0:56
Aan: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Onderwerp: RE: GT Propellors
Hans,
You can get MT props for $8000?
Doc
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----- Original Message -----
From: Hans Oortman 1 (pa3arw(at)euronet.nl)
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: 6/15/2006 4:14:02 PM
Subject: RE: GT Propellors
Dennis,
That is a ridiculous price I think Id prefer a 3-blade MT for that kind of money.i.e. no market for this dudes blades..
Hans
Van: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] Namens A. Dennis Savarese
Verzonden: donderdag 15 juni 2006 22:21
Aan: yak-list(at)matronics.com; m14pengines-list(at)matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: GT Propellors
Yes, I do. You will notice there is no specifics on structural testing AND clearly no pricing. He avoids posting ANY retail prices. The blades are $4000 EACH. So you're looking at $8000 replacement blades with no hub. Here is a copy of my last email to Alessandro. He has not answered any of the questions in this latest email below. So he decides to post some initial test data but yet refuses to provide any structural technical specifications including destructive testing results. He's the email....verbatim. I think you'll agree with what I wrote in the email.
"Dear Alessandro,
To be very candid with you, no, the price is not getting more attractive. You must understand how the vast majority of Yak 52's (including those with V530 propellers) are flown here in the US. They are not used for aerobatics other than maybe "gentleman's aerobatics" which does not require an expensive set of blades. Most Yak52's are flown from runways (both grass and hard surface) that are 2000 feet or more. Probably less than 1-2% of all the Yak 52's in the US are flown off of "short" runways. Thus, the market for the GT blades to fulfill a shorter runway takeoff requir ement is maybe 5 total airplanes. Not much of a market.
As I have said before in my emails, advertise the blades AND the price for EACH blade on Barnstormers. Barnstormers ads are almost free. There is no doubt you will receive inquiries. But inquiries do not generate revenue. Please remember that here in the US the total market is about 275 Yak 52's. Most of the other types of airplanes (not all of course) with M14P and PF engines are either aerobatic aircraft with MT-9 propellers or slow speed, high lift aircraft like the Wilga which really have no use for expensive propeller blades.
I have an idea. Why don't you tell me how many sets of blades your market research has determined you will sell here in the US by aircraft type and why you think you are going to sell that quantity of blades and over what period of time? By the way, we have a company here in the US that offers a complete overhaul of the V530 paddle prop blades including new nickel single piece leading edge and complete stripping and fiberglass recovering and precision balancing for $2100. "
Best regards,
Dennis
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----- Original Message -----
From: yak52 (yak52(at)flyredstar.org)
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:33 PM
Subject: GT Propellors
This email was send to the RPA website anybody have more info on this?
Thanks,
Deon.
| Quote: | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dear YAK/ M-14 operators
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We are glad to inform you that our new 2.50 diameter prop specifically designed and builted for YAK M-14 360/400 HP has been succesfully tested by various aerobatic pilots and the performance are very good.
Shorter take off distance ,about 50 meters less compared standard V-530 original prop.
Greater climb rateo.
20 more KMH (at) 62% with standard MAP pressure.
May interest further details ?
If so do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards.
Alessandro Tonini
GT Propellers
Via del Commercio, 7
47838 Riccione (RN) Italy
Tel. +39 0541 69 33 99
Fax +39 0541 69 33 31
www.gt-propellers.com
info(at)gt-propellers.com
In caso di cattiva ricezione telefonare al n0 0541-693399 Le informazioni contenute in questo fax e/o E-Mail sono di propriet` della GT PROPELLERS s.n.c. e sono riservate, pertanto ne i inibita la diffusione mediante qualsiasi tipo di modalit` venga eseguita e devono intendersi ad esclusivo uso del destinatario e/o destinatari sopra indicati. Si ricorda a tutti coloro che dovessero erroneamente ricevere questo fax e/o E-Mail che h proibito fotocopiare, distribuire, diffondere o alterare il documento. In caso di errato recapito si prega di comunicare laccaduto tempestivamente sia tramite fax e/o E-Mail che telefonicamente e di rinviare il fax originale. Si rende noto che le informazioni e/o i dati oggetto della presente comunicazione devono essere soggetti a classificazione [ ai sensi del D. Lgs. 196/2003 Testo unico sulla Privacy) I dati dovranno essere trattati nel rispetto della normativa vigente mediante procedimenti idonei a garantire la loro sicurezza e riservatezza. Le informazioni acquisite dovranno essere conservate con le modalit` previste dalla normativa di riferimento. Si potranno esercitare i diritti previsti dallart. 7 del D. Lgs. 196/2003 nonchi lopposizione allutilizzo dei medesimi per le finalit` di cui alloggetto a mezzo riscontro senza ritardo. LAutorizzazione relativa alla Divulgazione a terzi [dei quali dovr` essere resa nota l Identificazione allInteressato] delle informazioni oggetto della presente comunicazione v err` concessa a condizione che al piy presto venga reso nota a cura del destinatario lInformativa circa le modalit` di utilizzo e di trattamento delle informazioni stesse secondo quanto previsto dal D. Lgs. 196/2003 . La violazione delle citate normative comporter` le sanzioni penali ed amministrative previste dal D. Lgs. 196/2003 .
GT PROPELLERS s.n.c. All rights reserved. This email is for the intended recipient(s) only. This email and any attachment contains confidential and proprietary information some or all of which may also be legally privileged. Any copying, dissemination, disclosure, modification, or use of this email by any other persons is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately. Please then permanently delete this email from your computer system. Thank you.
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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:36 pm Post subject: GT Propellors |
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Hans,
That is pretty much in line with over here in the USA once you do the EU conversion and shipping.
Doc
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