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Kolbers,
My quest for odds and ends I need for my 670 project continues. I now am looking for a used Tee shaped dual inlet water pump housing that comes on the 582 blue head. And also a couple coolant outlet elbows that bolt on the heads of the liquid cooled Rotax twins.
I can adapt a single inlet pump housing with a plastic tee in the line if I have to, but the dual inlet will make a much cleaner looking installation.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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| Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:50 am Post subject: 582-99 water pump housing |
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I can adapt a single inlet pump housing with a plastic tee in the line if I
have to, but the dual inlet will make a much cleaner looking installation.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
Dennis R/Kolbers:
Had a nylon 1" hose barb fail on my well pump supply line recently. This
plastic fitting was under ground with nice cool water flowing through it.
I would consider the cooling system critical on a 582. Failure of a fitting
would most likely put you down very quickly.
Personally, I would go with aluminum pump housing. Check with Ronnie Smith,
South Mississippi Light Aircraft if you cannot find another source. He
probably has a used one.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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rowedenny
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| Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:00 am Post subject: 582-99 water pump housing |
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Good tip John, I'll check with Ronnie, Rotax thinks highly of their parts so we'll see what a used one goes for. If I do go with a pumas tic one, I would make sure ifs rated for the heat swings inherent in a cooling system. Was thinking of something from an automotive heater system. 1" lines.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
| Quote: | On Dec 10, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote:
I can adapt a single inlet pump housing with a plastic tee in the line if I
have to, but the dual inlet will make a much cleaner looking installation.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
Dennis R/Kolbers:
Had a nylon 1" hose barb fail on my well pump supply line recently. This
plastic fitting was under ground with nice cool water flowing through it.
I would consider the cooling system critical on a 582. Failure of a fitting
would most likely put you down very quickly.
Personally, I would go with aluminum pump housing. Check with Ronnie Smith,
South Mississippi Light Aircraft if you cannot find another source. He
probably has a used one.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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rowedenny
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| Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:26 am Post subject: 582-99 water pump housing |
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I need to proof read my posts better. Auto correct tore that last one up!
Do not archive
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
| Quote: | On Dec 10, 2013, at 11:59 AM, Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> wrote:
Good tip John, I'll check with Ronnie, Rotax thinks highly of their parts so we'll see what a used one goes for. If I do go with a pumas tic one, I would make sure ifs rated for the heat swings inherent in a cooling system. Was thinking of something from an automotive heater system. 1" lines.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
> On Dec 10, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote:
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> I can adapt a single inlet pump housing with a plastic tee in the line if I
> have to, but the dual inlet will make a much cleaner looking installation.
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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> Dennis R/Kolbers:
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> Had a nylon 1" hose barb fail on my well pump supply line recently. This
> plastic fitting was under ground with nice cool water flowing through it.
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> I would consider the cooling system critical on a 582. Failure of a fitting
> would most likely put you down very quickly.
>
> Personally, I would go with aluminum pump housing. Check with Ronnie Smith,
> South Mississippi Light Aircraft if you cannot find another source. He
> probably has a used one.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
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rickofudall
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| Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:07 pm Post subject: 582-99 water pump housing |
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Denny, I have installed the radiator from the mid 80's Honda Magna motorcycle on two different 582 systems. They have the advantage of being A) cheap to buy and B) need no modifications to work. The last on a 582-99 performed a climb out to 6000 on a day when the temperature was 117F without ever getting to the red line on the temp gauge. The article I wrote about the installation is in the archives but if you cannot find it let me know and I can send you it to you. Ask your engine builder but you might want to consider the waterpump cover for the -90 rather than the -99. The later cover was designed with the PPC crowd in mind where the throttle is the elevator and the problem of flash cooling is endemic to them because of it.
Rick Girard
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net (rowedenny(at)windstream.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net (rowedenny(at)windstream.net)>
Good tip John, I'll check with Ronnie, Rotax thinks highly of their parts so we'll see what a used one goes for. If I do go with a pumas tic one, I would make sure ifs rated for the heat swings inherent in a cooling system. Was thinking of something from an automotive heater system. 1" lines.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
> On Dec 10, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>
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> I can adapt a single inlet pump housing with a plastic tee in the line if I
> have to, but the dual inlet will make a much cleaner looking installation.
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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> Dennis R/Kolbers:
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> Had a nylon 1" hose barb fail on my well pump supply line recently. This
> plastic fitting was under ground with nice cool water flowing through it.
>
> I would consider the cooling system critical on a 582. Failure of a fitting
> would most likely put you down very quickly.
>
> Personally, I would go with aluminum pump housing. Check with Ronnie Smith,
> South Mississippi Light Aircraft if you cannot find another source. He
> probably has a used one.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
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| Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:22 pm Post subject: 582-99 water pump housing |
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Thanks for the advice Richard, I'll look into that rad, right now I was planning on using a Honda TRX250R rad I have had for a while that looks to be ideally sized, but I will have to have larger spigots installed to fit the 1" rad hoses of the Rotax.
So I take it if you used the single inlet pump housing, you either blocked off one of the two water outlets in the head, or you installed a tee in the return line to the pump?
Or maybe you have the 582-90 single outlet head.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
[quote] On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:07 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Denny, I have installed the radiator from the mid 80's Honda Magna motorcycle on two different 582 systems. They have the advantage of being A) cheap to buy and B) need no modifications to work. The last on a 582-99 performed a climb out to 6000 on a day when the temperature was 117F without ever getting to the red line on the temp gauge. The article I wrote about the installation is in the archives but if you cannot find it let me know and I can send you it to you.
Ask your engine builder but you might want to consider the waterpump cover for the -90 rather than the -99. The later cover was designed with the PPC crowd in mind where the throttle is the elevator and the problem of flash cooling is endemic to them because of it.
Rick Girard
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> wrote:
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> Good tip John, I'll check with Ronnie, Rotax thinks highly of their parts so we'll see what a used one goes for. If I do go with a pumas tic one, I would make sure ifs rated for the heat swings inherent in a cooling system. Was thinking of something from an automotive heater system. 1" lines.
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> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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> > On Dec 10, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote:
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> > I can adapt a single inlet pump housing with a plastic tee in the line if I
> > have to, but the dual inlet will make a much cleaner looking installation.
> > Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> > Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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> > Dennis R/Kolbers:
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> > Had a nylon 1" hose barb fail on my well pump supply line recently. This
> > plastic fitting was under ground with nice cool water flowing through it.
> >
> > I would consider the cooling system critical on a 582. Failure of a fitting
> > would most likely put you down very quickly.
> >
> > Personally, I would go with aluminum pump housing. Check with Ronnie Smith,
> > South Mississippi Light Aircraft if you cannot find another source. He
> > probably has a used one.
> >
> > john h
> > mkIII
> > Titus, Alabama
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tombaisley
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:44 am Post subject: Re: 582-99 water pump housing |
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What are the dimensions of the TRX250R rad and hose inlets?
thanks
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:46 am Post subject: 582-99 water pump housing |
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Dennis, My engine is a -90, the IIIX I worked on had the -99. I plumbed both as required. You're right about the -99, I had forgotten they have a dual spigot at the thermostat housing, too.
Rick
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net (rowedenny(at)windstream.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks for the advice Richard, I'll look into that rad, right now I was planning on using a Honda TRX250R rad I have had for a while that looks to be ideally sized, but I will have to have larger spigots installed to fit the 1" rad hoses of the Rotax.
So I take it if you used the single inlet pump housing, you either blocked off one of the two water outlets in the head, or you installed a tee in the return line to the pump?
Or maybe you have the 582-90 single outlet head.
Dennis "Skid" RoweMk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
On Dec 10, 2013, at 7:07 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Denny, I have installed the radiator from the mid 80's Honda Magna motorcycle on two different 582 systems. They have the advantage of being A) cheap to buy and B) need no modifications to work. The last on a 582-99 performed a climb out to 6000 on a day when the temperature was 117F without ever getting to the red line on the temp gauge. The article I wrote about the installation is in the archives but if you cannot find it let me know and I can send you it to you. Ask your engine builder but you might want to consider the waterpump cover for the -90 rather than the -99. The later cover was designed with the PPC crowd in mind where the throttle is the elevator and the problem of flash cooling is endemic to them because of it.
Rick Girard
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net (rowedenny(at)windstream.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | --> Kolb-List message posted by: Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net (rowedenny(at)windstream.net)>
Good tip John, I'll check with Ronnie, Rotax thinks highly of their parts so we'll see what a used one goes for. If I do go with a pumas tic one, I would make sure ifs rated for the heat swings inherent in a cooling system. Was thinking of something from an automotive heater system. 1" lines.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
> On Dec 10, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
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> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>
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> I can adapt a single inlet pump housing with a plastic tee in the line if I
> have to, but the dual inlet will make a much cleaner looking installation.
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
>
>
>
> Dennis R/Kolbers:
>
> Had a nylon 1" hose barb fail on my well pump supply line recently. This
> plastic fitting was under ground with nice cool water flowing through it.
>
> I would consider the cooling system critical on a 582. Failure of a fitting
> would most likely put you down very quickly.
>
> Personally, I would go with aluminum pump housing. Check with Ronnie Smith,
> South Mississippi Light Aircraft if you cannot find another source. He
> probably has a used one.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:18 pm Post subject: 582-99 water pump housing |
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Tom,
The radiator is 13 3/4" wide, 9 1/2" tall and 1 5/8" thick. Has 3/4 inch fittings, and a cap. Hose fittings are located on the top left and bottom right corners, cap is on the top right.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: 582-99 water pump housing |
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I'm installing a 582 on a MKIIIc, I want to install the radiator below the gearbox aft of the fuselage, the Magna radiator is awkward because the inflow and out flow are on the wrong side when installed in the rear configuration, Surfing ebay I found a trx450 radiator, uses straight hose connections and is configured correctly but the the dimensions are 12x12.75"might be a bit large. The TRX250 sounds like the right size but the upper hose connection comes out at an odd angle?
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I take back my last post I found the 1988 trx250 use straight hose connections
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:53 pm Post subject: 582-99 water pump housing |
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Some of them come straight back, search eBay and you'll find some that come straight out. Or Bylers radiator in UT could probably change the spouts. If I use the the 250R rad on the 670 I'll have Bylers give it their full meal deal first.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
| Quote: | On Dec 11, 2013, at 8:16 PM, "tombaisley" <tombaisley(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm installing a 582 on a MKIIIc, I want to install the radiator below the gearbox aft of the fuselage, the Magna radiator is awkward because the inflow and out flow are on the wrong side when installed in the rear configuration, Surfing ebay I found a trx450 radiator, uses straight hose connections and is configured correctly but the the dimensions are 12x12.75"might be a bit large. The TRX250 sounds like the right size but the upper hose connection comes out at an odd angle?
Read this topic online here:
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:55 pm Post subject: 582-99 water pump housing |
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Should have read this one before I replied to your last post. lol do not archive
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| Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:57 pm Post subject: 582-99 water pump housing |
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My bad, it's Mylers radiator repair, not Bylers.
They do good work on aluminum rads only!
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