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bgreen(at)bimi.org
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:37 pm Post subject: Kolb-List Digest:

Who are the "they" who short change buyers on fabric?   I have dealt with The Millers and have always received prompt service and exactly what I ordered and for what I paid.

In all honesty, if they and other providers know someone is just seeking information on amounts of fabric, etc. they probably do not respond as well as they would if a person is serious about purchasing their products.  I can not speak for them or anyone but myself, but if my livelihood depended on selling fabric  and certain products I would probably respond in a similar manner.   They make their living in a very competitive market selling Poli-fiber products.   I personally have tried to respect that fact with all the providers with which I deal.   Poli-fiber seems costly but I have inspected and worked on other fabric covered planes and am convinced that Poli-fiber will last more than 15-20 years if applied correctly and it is definitely easy to apply, even for those working with fabric for the first time... like I was.



Many years ago when I was buying an airplane from a friend I kept prodding him to come down on the price.   He reminded me that he could not stay in business if he donated all his time and products, etc.

I have nothing but respect for Jim and Dondi... if they are by chance the "they" mentioned.   I do not mean to offend anyone and I know that even the greatest vendor drops the ball at some time or another, but they have never dropped it in my case.



I had to order more fabric because of a mistake I made and I also used more materials because it was my first fabric job.

Just my two cents worth... and it is free.    Of course I have been told by some good friends that I don't have enough  "cents" (sense) to be givining any away. 

Bob

N830PB, 

MKIII Extra

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rowedenny

Joined: 09 Mar 2008
Posts: 338
Location: Western PA

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:35 pm Post subject: Kolb-List Digest:

I should have chimed in sooner on this.

I have had the same experience as Bob with Jim and Dondi Miller. They are true class acts.

I look forward to someday soon covering our 48 C-170's wings with products purchased from these fine folks at Aircraft Technical Support.



Dennis "Skid" Rowe

Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA



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		   On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Bob Green <bgreen(at)bimi.org> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 Who are the "they" who short change buyers on fabric?   I have dealt with The Millers and have always received prompt service and exactly what I ordered and for what I paid.

 In all honesty, if they and other providers know someone is just seeking information on amounts of fabric, etc. they probably do not respond as well as they would if a person is serious about purchasing their products.  I can not speak for them or anyone but myself, but if my livelihood depended on selling fabric  and certain products I would probably respond in a similar manner.   They make their living in a very competitive market selling Poli-fiber products.   I personally have tried to respect that fact with all the providers with which I deal.   Poli-fiber seems costly but I have inspected and worked on other fabric covered planes and am convinced that Poli-fiber will last more than 15-20 years if applied correctly and it is definitely easy to apply, even for those working with fabric for the first time... like I was.

 

 Many years ago when I was buying an airplane from a friend I kept prodding him to come down on the price.   He reminded me that he could not stay in business if he donated all his time and products, etc.

 I have nothing but respect for Jim and Dondi... if they are by chance the "they" mentioned.   I do not mean to offend anyone and I know that even the greatest vendor drops the ball at some time or another, but they have never dropped it in my case.

 

 I had to order more fabric because of a mistake I made and I also used more materials because it was my first fabric job.

 Just my two cents worth... and it is free.    Of course I have been told by some good friends that I don't have enough  "cents" (sense) to be givining any away. 

 Bob

 N830PB, 

 MKIII Extra

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:51 pm Post subject: Kolb-List Digest:

Poli-fiber seems costly but I have inspected and worked on other fabric

covered planes and am convinced that Poli-fiber will last more than 15-20

years if applied correctly and it is definitely easy to apply, even for

those working with fabric for the first time... like I was.



 

I have nothing but respect for Jim and Dondi... if they are by chance the

"they" mentioned.   I do not mean to offend anyone and I know that even the

greatest vendor drops the ball at some time or another, but they have never

dropped it in my case.

 

Bob

N830PB,

MKIII Extra

 





Bob G/Kolbers:



I covered my MKIII 23 years ago with Polyfiber.  In 2000, after tearing up a

wing aileron, and flap, during a crash at Muncho Lake, BC, Jim and Dondi

Miller came to my rescue.  They were at the Kolb Homecoming that year, as

well as Homer and Clara Kolb.  I shared my unsuccessful flight to Alaska

with the group of Kolbers attending.  At the end of my briefing, Jim Miller

stood up and informed me that he and Dondi would provide me with all fabric,

paint, and material to recover the wing, aileron, and flap, at no charge.

And that also included shipping.  I will never forget and will always be

grateful for their extreme generosity.  With their help, The New Kolb

Aircraft, and a few others, I was successful in flying to Point Barrow,

Alaska, the following year.



I echo Bob Green's sentiments about Jim and Dondi.  They have always gone

out of their way to help all of their customers that I am aware of.



And one thing for sure.  You will always get a tremendous hug from Dondi.

She is a exceptionally good hugger.



By the way, the fabric on my right wing, aileron, flap, rudder, horizontal

stabilizer, and fuselage are original 1991 fabric and paint.  The left wing,

aileron, flap and vertical stabilizer were covered and painted in 2000.



john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama

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Rick Lewis

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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 11:11 am Post subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest:

Jim and Dondi, at poly fiber are great people to deal with and wouldn.t buy from anyone else.  I did come up 15' short on fabric and had to buy more.  I was supper conservative on my cuts and wasted none but yet came up short.  Brian, at Kolb, said others and himself have seen this shortage of fabric and I should say something about it in hopes to have this corrected.  Please don't think that I am mad at the poly people as I am not, but thought all should know about this.....

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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:15 pm Post subject: Kolb-List Digest:

all



why use poly fiber at 8 to 13 bucks a yard...when peel ply in both 

weight's that we require are under 4 bucks?    Aircraft spruce called it 

uncertified at one time...it is now called peel ply.... ever frugal Herb

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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:26 pm Post subject: Kolb-List Digest:

Also would like to note that Aircraft Spruce ships gallons of poly 

products with no haz material charge... that could be expensive...Herb

On 12/14/2013 02:14 PM, Herb wrote:

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 all



 why use poly fiber at 8 to 13 bucks a yard...when peel ply in both 

 weight's that we require are under 4 bucks?    Aircraft spruce called 

 it uncertified at one time...it is now called peel ply.... ever frugal 

 Herb

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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:25 pm Post subject: Kolb-List Digest:

Thanks all.

Bob

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