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John Hauck
Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 4639 Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: DC-9 |
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Anybody find the particular "stone in the elevator" accident in the URL Bro Jim provided??? He couldn't find it and I haven't had a chance to scan all of them, yet..........
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: DC-9 |
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I left no DC-9 unstoned.
Bob N.
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JetPilot
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: DC-9 |
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I did not find it either. Being an airline pilot, i am familiar with most modern airline crashes. I go over everyone I can so as not to make the same mistakes others have. I have never heard of one caused by a rock at LGA. But enough people are talking about it to make me wonder. I checked all the crashes on the list, but did not see any caused by a stone either....
Michael A. Bigelow
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:17 pm Post subject: DC-9 |
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Hi John/All,
That was a great link, they've improved it since I was there last.
I couldn't find it either, I thought it was a 707 or DC-8
(non-T-tail aircraft). Only thing listed due to 'jammed elevator' was a
DC-7C in 1962. Oh well, may be an urban legend?
I did find the one I earlier referenced, it was a NW Orient 727
crash in NY due to lack of pitot heat. Airspeed indicator turned into an
altimeter; the more the flight crew raised the nose, the higher the airspeed
rose. They kept chasing the airspeed until it stalled. Crew of 3 were
lost.
A very interesting one was a Yugoslav DC-9 that suffered a bombing
and broke up in flight on 26 Jan. 1972. 27 of the 28 on board were lost. A
flight attendant survived the ride from FL330 in the tail section.
To keep it Kolbish, my MkII is cold here in Michigan.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:03 am Post subject: DC-9 |
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Ed, all
Most certainly not an 'urban legend' -- it did happen. Where & what
was the jammed elevator you found ? Have you any details?
The crash I remember was at LGA, may have been Eastern.
There was also a crash in Boston about the same time? caused by a
flock of starlings being ingested -- doubt this would be a hazard for
Kolbs! -- messy tho.
Do we still need -- do not archive?
Russ Kinne
On Jan 14, 2006, at 11:17 PM, Ed Chmielewski wrote:
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<edchmiel(at)mindspring.com>
Hi John/All,
That was a great link, they've improved it since I was
there last.
I couldn't find it either, I thought it was a 707 or DC-8
(non-T-tail aircraft). Only thing listed due to 'jammed elevator'
was a
DC-7C in 1962. Oh well, may be an urban legend?
I did find the one I earlier referenced, it was a NW Orient
727
crash in NY due to lack of pitot heat. Airspeed indicator turned
into an
altimeter; the more the flight crew raised the nose, the higher the
airspeed
rose. They kept chasing the airspeed until it stalled. Crew of 3
were
lost.
A very interesting one was a Yugoslav DC-9 that suffered a
bombing
and broke up in flight on 26 Jan. 1972. 27 of the 28 on board were
lost. A
flight attendant survived the ride from FL330 in the tail section.
To keep it Kolbish, my MkII is cold here in Michigan.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
Do not archive.
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JetPilot
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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:21 am Post subject: Re: DC-9 |
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kinnepix(at)earthlink.net wrote: | Ed, all
Most certainly not an 'urban legend' -- it did happen. Where & what
was the jammed elevator you found ? Have you any details?
The crash I remember was at LGA, may have been Eastern.
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All modern commercial airliner crashes are well documented. After searching I can not find one that was caused by a rock jammed in the elevator.
Im starting to think it is just an urban legend. It is possible someone is remembering a certain crash, but thier idea of what caused it is very wrong.
Michael A. Bigelow
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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:26 am Post subject: DC-9 |
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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:27 pm Post subject: DC-9 |
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flight attendant survived the ride from FL330 in the tail section.>><
Hi Ed,
is this another urban legend?. There was a story circulating around my area
during the war about a rear gunner who made it to the ground in the tail
section of a Lancaster when it broke off after an attack by a Me 109. Could
never verify it.
Pat
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Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject: DC-9 |
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Hi Pat,
Sure. I make stuff up all the time. "Never let the truth get in the way of
a good story."
Or you could read it here:
http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/view_details.cgi?date=01261972®=YU-AHT&airline=JAT+Yugoslav+Airlines
I believe I did say it was in the archives.
There was another civil accident involving a Cessna 337P pressurized
Skymaster (push-pull twin) years ago with 2 aboard. Going on memory, the
cabin had a pressurization problem and the aircraft continued climbing to
about FL250 due to both aboard being incapacitated. Aircraft entered an
area of weather (read 'thunderstorm') and disappearred from radar. It was
found in a large tree, missing most of one wing. The female pax survived,
the pilot died - not from the crash, but from hypoxia. In the NTSB
archives.
Ed in JXN
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JetPilot
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Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: DC-9 |
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The large tree did a lot to cushion a fall. I will remember that if I ever lose a wing.
As far as the rock jamming the elevator and causing a DC-9 crash, I beleive that is just urban legend. I searched all over the place and could not find it... And it is very far out, as the two elevator halves on the DC-9 move independently of each other... If you ever see them taxing out sometimes you see one half up and the other down...
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