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amekler

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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:09 pm Post subject: rapco pads

well i tried the cheaper rapco brake pads. i had a caliber leak and although the pads had only 40 hours on them they wore unevenly.  My regular mechanic said to replace them.

Has anyone else had problems with the Rapco pads?



Alan

Kelly McMullen

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Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:34 pm Post subject: rapco pads

Having pads uneven is not a problem. Having petroleum on them in the form of 5606 is. A thorough cleaning with BrakeKlean to remove the 5606 can resurect a pad if there is enough thickness to justify. Also, if you decide to replace, just do the caliper that needs pads. No need to do the other side.

 Kelly

A&P/IA



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 well i tried the cheaper rapco brake pads. i had a caliber leak and although the pads had only 40 hours on them they wore unevenly.  My regular mechanic said to replace them.

 Has anyone else had problems with the Rapco pads?

 

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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 4:55 pm Post subject: rapco pads

kelly,pads had enough thickness but my mechanic didn’t like the the way they looked.

alan

On Feb 10, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]Having pads uneven is not a problem. Having petroleum on them in the form of 5606 is. A thorough cleaning with BrakeKlean to remove the 5606 can resurect a pad if there is enough thickness to justify. Also, if you decide to replace, just do the caliper that needs pads. No need to do the other side.

 Kelly

A&P/IA



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 well i tried the cheaper rapco brake pads. i had a caliber leak and although the pads had only 40 hours on them they wore unevenly.  My regular mechanic said to replace them.

 Has anyone else had problems with the Rapco pads?

 

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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:17 pm Post subject: rapco pads

Being experimental, it is your choice to take his advise or ignore it.

Looks are not one of my criteria.



On 2/10/2014 5:54 PM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:

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		   kelly,

 pads had enough thickness but my mechanic didn’t like the the way they 

 looked.

 alan

 On Feb 10, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com 

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> Having pads uneven is not a problem. Having petroleum on them in the 

> form of 5606 is. A thorough cleaning with BrakeKlean to remove the 

> 5606 can resurect a pad if there is enough thickness to justify. 

> Also, if you decide to replace, just do the caliper that needs pads. 

> No need to do the other side.

> Kelly

> A&P/IA

> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Alan Mekler MD 

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>     well i tried the cheaper rapco brake pads. i had a caliber leak

>     and although the pads had only 40 hours on them they wore

>     unevenly.  My regular mechanic said to replace them.

>     Has anyone else had problems with the Rapco pads?

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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:07 pm Post subject: rapco pads

I have a early version of the 112's and they have been working very nicely 

and evenly. I gather you need a mechanic because you didn’t build the plane? 

I never let anyone touch my plane. Heard of too many planes going down 

within 1 hour of a mechanic signing it off as good for the annual. I 

replaced my pads last November with the Rapcos and they too were very well 

work through.

pascal



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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:22 pm Post subject: rapco pads

This raises an interesting question. For a type certified aircraft an IA is required for annual inspection, which can be signed off as unairworthy with a list of discrepancies. Any A&P can then fix the discrepancies and sign them off, making the aircraft airworthy.

 

For a non-builder an A&P is only required for annual condition inspection. Can someone advise from Ops Limits if anyone can take care of the discrepancies found on the inspection? It would make sense to me, since anyone can do maintenance on amateur built, without any certificate for anything repair/maintenance/mod, but for the annual, where repairman or A&P is needed.

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)> wrote:

[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)>

 

 I have a early version of the 112's and they have been working very nicely and evenly. I gather you need a mechanic because you didn&rsquo;t build the plane? I never let anyone touch my plane. Heard of too many planes going down within 1 hour of a mechanic signing it off as good for the annual. I replaced my pads last November with the Rapcos and they too were very well work through.

  pascal

 

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amekler

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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:08 am Post subject: rapco pads

no i didn’t build my plane so i need a mechanic. both my A&Ps have  built and own RVs.

alan

On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:06 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer(at)live.com> wrote:



[quote] 

 

 I have a early version of the 112's and they have been working very nicely and evenly. I gather you need a mechanic because you didn’t build the plane? I never let anyone touch my plane. Heard of too many planes going down within 1 hour of a mechanic signing it off as good for the annual. I replaced my pads last November with the Rapcos and they too were very well work through.

 pascal

 

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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:31 am Post subject: rapco pads

That is an interesting question. I doubt it works the same way. There is no airworthy or unairworthy signoff on an experimental. It's signed of as "in a condition for safe operation." If an A&P signs it as "not in a condition...", I think the discrepancies would need to be fixed then an A&P or the Repairman would need to sign it of as "in a condition...". I am not sure, though. I know there is nothing in any of the Operating Limitations that I have looked through that allows it. They don't specifically give the authority to anybody to do maintenance, they just specifically that the Condition Inspection must be signed off by an A&P or the Repairman. 



Jesse SaintI-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)

www.itecusa.org

www.mavericklsa.com

C: 352-427-0285

O: 352-465-4545

F: 815-377-3694

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On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:22 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]This raises an interesting question. For a type certified aircraft an IA is required for annual inspection, which can be signed off as unairworthy with a list of discrepancies. Any A&P can then fix the discrepancies and sign them off, making the aircraft airworthy.

 

For a non-builder an A&P is only required for annual condition inspection. Can someone advise from Ops Limits if anyone can take care of the discrepancies found on the inspection? It would make sense to me, since anyone can do maintenance on amateur built, without any certificate for anything repair/maintenance/mod, but for the annual, where repairman or A&P is needed.

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)> wrote:

[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)>

 

 I have a early version of the 112's and they have been working very nicely and evenly. I gather you need a mechanic because you didnâ€™t build the plane? I never let anyone touch my plane. Heard of too many planes going down within 1 hour of a mechanic signing it off as good for the annual. I replaced my pads last November with the Rapcos and they too were very well work through.

  pascal

 

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Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:57 am Post subject: Re: rapco pads

[quote="jesse(at)saintaviation.co"]That is an interesting question. I doubt it works the same way. There is no airworthy or unairworthy signoff on an experimental. It's signed of as "in a condition for safe operation." If an A&P signs it as "not in a condition...", I think the discrepancies would need to be fixed then an A&P or the Repairman would need to sign it of as "in a condition...". I am not sure, though. I know there is nothing in any of the Operating Limitations that I have looked through that allows it. They don't specifically give the authority to anybody to do maintenance, they just specifically that the Condition Inspection must be signed off by an A&P or the Repairman. 



Jesse SaintI-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)

www.itecusa.org

www.mavericklsa.com

C: 352-427-0285

O: 352-465-4545

F: 815-377-3694

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:22 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2> wrote:

[quote]This raises an interesting question. For a type certified aircraft an IA is required for annual inspection, which can be signed off as unairworthy with a list of discrepancies. Any A&P can then fix the discrepancies and sign them off, making the aircraft airworthy.

 

For a non-builder an A&P is only required for annual condition inspection. Can someone advise from Ops Limits if anyone can take care of the discrepancies found on the inspection? It would make sense to me, since anyone can do maintenance on amateur built, without any certificate for anything repair/maintenance/mod, but for the annual, where repairman or A&P is needed.

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   --> RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <rv10flyer>

 

 I have a early version of the 112's and they have been working very nicely and evenly. I gather you need a mechanic because you didnâ€™t build the plane? I never let anyone touch my plane. Heard of too many planes going down within 1 hour of a mechanic signing it off as good for the annual. I replaced my pads last November with the Rapcos and they too were very well work through.

  pascal

 

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I imagine if you are having an A&P sign off your Condition Inspection he or she would not usually sign it as "not in a condition for safe operation" but would say something like "once these discrepancies are taken care of I will then sign it off as "in condition for safe operation". Anybody can work on the airplane to fix the discrepancies.

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RV-10 #40559
New Smyrna Beach, FL

jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:10 am Post subject: rapco pads

I would agree. With certified Annual Inspections, the rules say that an IA can sign it as in airworthy and provide a list if discrepancies to the owner/operator and a A&P can put it back into service by signing off the repair of those discrepancies. 

Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

www.mavericklsa.com

C: 352-427-0285

O: 352-465-4545

F: 815-377-3694

Sent from my iPhone

[quote] On Feb 11, 2014, at 7:57 AM, "dmaib(at)me.com" <dmaib(at)me.com> wrote:

 [quote="jesse(at)saintaviation.co"]That is an interesting question. I doubt it works the same way. There is no airworthy or unairworthy signoff on an experimental. It's signed of as "in a condition for safe operation." If an A&P signs it as "not in a condition...", I think the discrepancies would need to be fixed then an A&P or the Repairman would need to sign it of as "in a condition...". I am not sure, though. I know there is nothing in any of the Operating Limitations that I have looked through that allows it. They don't specifically give the authority to anybody to do maintenance, they just specifically that the Condition Inspection must be signed off by an A&P or the Repairman. 

 Jesse SaintI-TEC, Inc.

 jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)

 www.itecusa.org (http://www.itecusa.org)

 www.mavericklsa.com (http://www.mavericklsa.com)

 C: 352-427-0285

 O: 352-465-4545

 F: 815-377-3694

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:22 PM, Kelly McMullen  wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  This raises an interesting question. For a type certified aircraft an IA is required for annual inspection, which can be signed off as unairworthy with a list of discrepancies. Any A&P can then fix the discrepancies and sign them off, making the aircraft airworthy.

 For a non-builder an A&P is only required for annual condition inspection. Can someone advise from Ops Limits if anyone can take care of the discrepancies found on the inspection? It would make sense to me, since anyone can do maintenance on amateur built, without any certificate for anything repair/maintenance/mod, but for the annual, where repairman or A&P is needed.

> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Pascal  wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> I have a early version of the 112's and they have been working very nicely and evenly. I gather you need a mechanic because you didnâ€™t build the plane? I never let anyone touch my plane. Heard of too many planes going down within 1 hour of a mechanic signing it off as good for the annual. I replaced my pads last November with the Rapcos and they too were very well work through.

>  pascal

> 

> --

 I imagine if you are having an A&P sign off your Condition Inspection he or she would not usually sign it as "not in a condition for safe operation" but would say something like "once these discrepancies are taken care of I will then sign it off as "in condition for safe operation". Anybody can work on the airplane to fix the discrepancies.

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 RV-10 #40559

 Transition Trainer

 New Smyrna Beach, FL

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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:42 am Post subject: rapco pads

An all too common misunderstanding with holders of the Amateur Built Repairman is its limit to the single aircraft built.  Though the builder has some knowledge they are not authorized to repair or sign other logbooks beyond their single serial number aircraft.  They are limited like all pilots to Part 43 Preventative.  

Many cross that line regularly.  The work takes an A & P signing and at least observing the compliant repair.  Talk to your FSDO.  Then get it in writing.  Good Luck with that. 

Try a letter from the EAA home office. 

The Operator who places it back into service assumes much but not ALL of the repaired/inspected liability.  Ask yourself "How will anyone Find out?". Attorneys - after an incident or accident.  The feds first question...."you lost the logbooks Right?"

  

Not going to tell Ya All how I know. 

John On Feb 11, 2014 4:34 AM, "Jesse Saint" <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:[quote] That is an interesting question. I doubt it works the same way. There is no airworthy or unairworthy signoff on an experimental. It's signed of as "in a condition for safe operation." If an A&P signs it as "not in a condition...", I think the discrepancies would need to be fixed then an A&P or the Repairman would need to sign it of as "in a condition...". I am not sure, though. I know there is nothing in any of the Operating Limitations that I have looked through that allows it. They don't specifically give the authority to anybody to do maintenance, they just specifically that the Condition Inspection must be signed off by an A&P or the Repairman. 

 

Jesse SaintI-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)

www.itecusa.org

www.mavericklsa.com

 C: [url=tel:352-427-0285]352-427-0285[/url]

O: [url=tel:352-465-4545]352-465-4545[/url]

F: [url=tel:815-377-3694]815-377-3694[/url]

 



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On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:22 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote] This raises an interesting question. For a type certified aircraft an IA is required for annual inspection, which can be signed off as unairworthy with a list of discrepancies. Any A&P can then fix the discrepancies and sign them off, making the aircraft airworthy.

  

For a non-builder an A&P is only required for annual condition inspection. Can someone advise from Ops Limits if anyone can take care of the discrepancies found on the inspection? It would make sense to me, since anyone can do maintenance on amateur built, without any certificate for anything repair/maintenance/mod, but for the annual, where repairman or A&P is needed.

  

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)> wrote:

 [quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)>

 

 I have a early version of the 112's and they have been working very nicely and evenly. I gather you need a mechanic because you didn&rsquo;t build the plane? I never let anyone touch my plane. Heard of too many planes going down within 1 hour of a mechanic signing it off as good for the annual. I replaced my pads last November with the Rapcos and they too were very well work through.

   pascal

 

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Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:23 am Post subject: Re: rapco pads

rv10pro, are you saying that holders of Amateur Built Repairman certificates are routinely signing off work on other aircraft than the one they hold the Repairman Certificate for? As long as the aircraft is an amateur built aircraft, I don't see that as a problem. Anybody can work on an amateur built aircraft. Now if you are saying they are signing off Condition Inspections on aircraft other than the one they hold the Repairman Certificate for, then that is a problem. (unless they also hold an A&P)

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Tim Olson

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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:01 am Post subject: rapco pads

I'm not sure if "signing off" would be something that I'd

be comfortable doing in either case.  At the point that a

signature goes to the paper, I'd think it should be the

repairman or an A&P.  If I worked on your aircraft, and I'm

not the repairman, I'd expect YOU to sign it off because

YOU are the repairman.  Kind of like I can work on a

Bonanza of mine (if I had one), but I'd have to have an A&P

sign off anything other than routine maintenance.



I know that may not fit with the real law....but I don't

know that I'd push my luck when I have no repairman

cert on anyone else's plane.  It certainly could be

legal though I suppose.



Tim

On 2/11/2014 10:23 AM, dmaib(at)me.com wrote:

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 rvf10pro, are you saying that holders of Amateur Built Repairman

 certificates are routinely signing off work on other aircraft than

 the one they hold the Repairman Certificate for? As long as the

 aircraft is an amateur built aircraft, I don't see that as a problem.

 Anybody can work on an amateur built aircraft. Now if you are saying

 they are signing off Condition Inspections on aircraft other than the

 one they hold the Repairman Certificate for, then that is a problem.

 (unless they also hold an A&P)



 -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Transition Trainer New Smyrna Beach,

 FL

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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:21 am Post subject: Re: rapco pads

I totally agree with Tim. I routinely help my buddie's on their RV's and they help me with mine. I would never expect any of them to sign anything in my maintenance logs nor would I expect them to want me to sign off something in their logs. There is not even any requirement to "sign off" or log routine maintenance in the aircraft logs. I think the majority of us do log maintenance, but it is not required. 

I was a bit surprised to hear John's comment that this is something that happens fairly frequently.

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Bob Turner

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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:26 am Post subject: Re: rapco pads

I agree. After all it says right on the repairman certificate, "valid only for serial number 1234".

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Kellym

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Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:36 pm Post subject: rapco pads

John, lets make this very simple and clear.

Anyone can work on an experimental, subject to the discretion and sanity 

of the owner.

Only a Repairman or A&P can do and sign off a Condition inspection, and 

for Repairman, they can only do for the serial number/registration 

number on their certificate. Now if they sell the plane they built and 

buy another aircraft of the same model that someone elxe built they can 

go to FSDO and get their repairman certificate transferred to that new 

single serial number. They can work on any other experimental, they just 

can't do the condition inspection.

A repairman is NOT limited to preventive maintenance, they can do any 

maintenance or modification they want. If it is major, then they need to 

notify the FSDO and negotiate an appropriate reversion to Phase 1 for 

that mod, such as replacing the Lyc with an Orenda engine. )



On 2/11/2014 8:41 AM, John Cox wrote:

[quote]

 An all too common misunderstanding with holders of the Amateur Built 

 Repairman is its limit to the single aircraft built. Though the 

 builder has some knowledge they are not authorized to repair or sign 

 other logbooks beyond their single serial number aircraft. They are 

 limited like all pilots to Part 43 Preventative.



 Many cross that line regularly. The work takes an A & P signing and at 

 least observing the compliant repair. Talk to your FSDO. Then get it 

 in writing. Good Luck with that.



 Try a letter from the EAA home office.



 The Operator who places it back into service assumes much but not ALL 

 of the repaired/inspected liability. Ask yourself "How will anyone 

 Find out?". Attorneys - after an incident or accident. The feds first 

 question...."you lost the logbooks Right?"



 Not going to tell Ya All how I know.



 John



 On Feb 11, 2014 4:34 AM, "Jesse Saint" <jesse(at)saintaviation.com 

 <mailto:jesse(at)saintaviation.com>> wrote:



     That is an interesting question. I doubt it works the same way.

     There is no airworthy or unairworthy signoff on an experimental.

     It's signed of as "in a condition for safe operation." If an A&P

     signs it as "not in a condition...", I think the discrepancies

     would need to be fixed then an A&P or the Repairman would need to

     sign it of as "in a condition...". I am not sure, though. I know

     there is nothing in any of the Operating Limitations that I have

     looked through that allows it. They don't specifically give the

     authority to anybody to do maintenance, they just specifically

     that the Condition Inspection must be signed off by an A&P or the

     Repairman.



     Jesse Saint

     I-TEC, Inc.

     jesse(at)itecusa.org <mailto:jesse(at)itecusa.org>

     www.itecusa.org <http://www.itecusa.org>

     www.mavericklsa.com <http://www.mavericklsa.com>

     C: 352-427-0285 <tel:352-427-0285>

     O: 352-465-4545 <tel:352-465-4545>

     F: 815-377-3694 <tel:815-377-3694>



     Sent from my iPhone



     On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:22 PM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com

     <mailto:apilot2(at)gmail.com>> wrote:



>     This raises an interesting question. For a type certified

>     aircraft an IA is required for annual inspection, which can be

>     signed off as unairworthy with a list of discrepancies. Any A&P

>     can then fix the discrepancies and sign them off, making the

>     aircraft airworthy.

>     For a non-builder an A&P is only required for annual condition

>     inspection. Can someone advise from Ops Limits if anyone can take

>     care of the discrepancies found on the inspection? It would make

>     sense to me, since anyone can do maintenance on amateur built,

>     without any certificate for anything repair/maintenance/mod, but

>     for the annual, where repairman or A&P is needed.

>     On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer(at)live.com

>     <mailto:rv10flyer(at)live.com>> wrote:

>

>         

>         <mailto:rv10flyer(at)live.com>>

>

>         I have a early version of the 112's and they have been

>         working very nicely and evenly. I gather you need a mechanic

>         because you didn’t build the plane? I never let anyone touch

>         my plane. Heard of too many planes going down within 1 hour

>         of a mechanic signing it off as good for the annual. I

>         replaced my pads last November with the Rapcos and they too

>         were very well work through.

>         pascal

>

>         --

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amekler

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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:01 pm Post subject: rapco pads

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On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:07 AM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler(at)metrocast.net (amekler(at)metrocast.net)> wrote:

[quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Alan Mekler MD <amekler(at)metrocast.net (amekler(at)metrocast.net)>



no i didn’t build my plane so i need a mechanic. both my A&Ps have  built and own RVs.

alan

On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:06 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)> wrote:



[quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)>



I have a early version of the 112's and they have been working very nicely and evenly. I gather you need a mechanic because you didn’t build the plane? I never let anyone touch my plane. Heard of too many planes going down within 1 hour of a mechanic signing it off as good for the annual. I replaced my pads last November with the Rapcos and they too were very well work through.

pascal



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Kellym

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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:00 pm Post subject: rapco pads

Yep, no question, replace.



On 2/11/2014 6:00 PM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:

[quote]

 On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:07 AM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler(at)metrocast.net 

 <mailto:amekler(at)metrocast.net>> wrote:



> 

> <amekler(at)metrocast.net <mailto:amekler(at)metrocast.net>>

>

> no i didn’t build my plane so i need a mechanic. both my A&Ps have 

>  built and own RVs.

> alan

> On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:06 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer(at)live.com 

> <mailto:rv10flyer(at)live.com>> wrote:

>

>> 

>> <mailto:rv10flyer(at)live.com>>

>>

>> I have a early version of the 112's and they have been working very 

>> nicely and evenly. I gather you need a mechanic because you didn’t 

>> build the plane? I never let anyone touch my plane. Heard of too 

>> many planes going down within 1 hour of a mechanic signing it off as 

>> good for the annual. I replaced my pads last November with the 

>> Rapcos and they too were very well work through.

>> pascal

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Tim Olson

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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:12 pm Post subject: rapco pads

Those don't look so good.  Are there any strange environmental

situations that you store or fly the airplane in?

I've had Rapco pads for about the last 3 or so changes now,

and they really look just like the Cleaveland ones pretty much

when they're worn down....and they have worked well almost

all the way down to the rivets.  So I'm curious if there is

some strange environmental things going on.



Tim



On 2/11/2014 7:00 PM, Alan Mekler MD wrote:

[quote]

 On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:07 AM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler(at)metrocast.net

 <mailto:amekler(at)metrocast.net>> wrote:



> 

> <mailto:amekler(at)metrocast.net>>

>

> no i didn’t build my plane so i need a mechanic. both my A&Ps have

>  built and own RVs.

> alan

> On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:06 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer(at)live.com

> <mailto:rv10flyer(at)live.com>> wrote:

>

>> 

>> <mailto:rv10flyer(at)live.com>>

>>

>> I have a early version of the 112's and they have been working very

>> nicely and evenly. I gather you need a mechanic because you didn’t

>> build the plane? I never let anyone touch my plane. Heard of too many

>> planes going down within 1 hour of a mechanic signing it off as good

>> for the annual. I replaced my pads last November with the Rapcos and

>> they too were very well work through.

>> pascal

>>

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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:46 pm Post subject: rapco pads

what does the brake disc  look like? these look like they are  relatively unused but almost like something effected them. Replacing was a good  call, but what caused this that may do the same thing to the new pads? 

 BTW- I did not mean any disrespect to the A&P,  I was simply  mentioning that I don’t always trust what they tell me about my airplane. in  this case he made a good call. It’s not the Rapco its something the pads are  reacting to is my guess.

 I would send this picture to Rapco and get their feedback.

 Pascal

    

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  On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:07 AM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler(at)metrocast.net (amekler(at)metrocast.net)>  wrote:

 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Alan Mekler MD    <amekler(at)metrocast.net (amekler(at)metrocast.net)>



no i    didn’t build my plane so i need a mechanic. both my A&Ps have  built    and own RVs.

alan

On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:06 PM, Pascal <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)> wrote:



   [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)>



I have a      early version of the 112's and they have been working very nicely and      evenly. I gather you need a mechanic because you didn’t build the plane? I      never let anyone touch my plane. Heard of too many planes going down within      1 hour of a mechanic signing it off as good for the annual. I replaced my      pads last November with the Rapcos and they too were very well work      through.

pascal



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