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Greetings RV'ers,
On the RV-8, I've got Stewart/Warner 10610R 10 row oil cooler for the IO-390. It's mounted on the rear baffle and its worked well and kept the oil temps in the low 180's under all conditions.
I noticed today, that the outside mounting flange that goes next to the baffle is cracked. I suppose I could get it welded or brazed or whatever they do to aluminium, but that seems like a hack.
Apparently, Chief doesn't carry the Stewart/Warner brand anymore and has to different variants of the Aero Classic brand in the 10 Row 10610R compatible unit.
One is the "Standard" model for $269:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/standard/aec-8000081.html
The other is the "HE" (High Efficiency) models are $575:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/he-series/aec-8001646.html
Any thought's on either of these two options? Pros and cons. The HE models look a lot like the S&W model I have, assuming the pictures are accurate.
Thanks for the feedback.
Matt
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Greetings RV'ers,
On the RV-8, I've got Stewart/Warner 10610R 10 row oil cooler for the IO-390. It's mounted on the rear baffle and its worked well and kept the oil temps in the low 180's under all conditions.
I noticed today, that the outside mounting flange that goes next to the baffle is cracked. I suppose I could get it welded or brazed or whatever they do to aluminium, but that seems like a hack.
Apparently, Chief doesn't carry the Stewart/Warner brand anymore and has to different variants of the Aero Classic brand in the 10 Row 10610R compatible unit.
One is the "Standard" model for $269:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/standard/aec-8000081.html
The other is the "HE" (High Efficiency) models are $575:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/he-series/aec-8001646.html
Any thought's on either of these two options? Pros and cons. The HE models look a lot like the S&W model I have, assuming the pictures are accurate.
Thanks for the feedback.
Matt
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
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If you just install another oil cooler .... my gut feeling is that it'll crack too. If it was mine I would have it welded .... you can't braze aluminum .... and figure out why the oil cooler cracked in the first place. My first choice is engine vibration, and the second is stress due to the baffle mounting flange not being flat.
Linn
On 2/19/2014 8:35 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
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Greetings RV'ers,
On the RV-8, I've got Stewart/Warner 10610R 10 row oil cooler for the IO-390. It's mounted on the rear baffle and its worked well and kept the oil temps in the low 180's under all conditions.
I noticed today, that the outside mounting flange that goes next to the baffle is cracked. I suppose I could get it welded or brazed or whatever they do to aluminium, but that seems like a hack.
Apparently, Chief doesn't carry the Stewart/Warner brand anymore and has to different variants of the Aero Classic brand in the 10 Row 10610R compatible unit.
One is the "Standard" model for $269:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/standard/aec-8000081.html
The other is the "HE" (High Efficiency) models are $575:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/he-series/aec-8001646.html
Any thought's on either of these two options? Pros and cons. The HE models look a lot like the S&W model I have, assuming the pictures are accurate.
Thanks for the feedback.
Matt
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore
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I certainly recommend talking to Pacific Oil Cooler before you make any
decisions. They can give you pricing to repair, and probably have a
source for exact replacement as well.
On 2/19/2014 6:57 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
| Quote: | If you just install another oil cooler .... my gut feeling is that
it'll crack too. If it was mine I would have it welded .... you can't
braze aluminum .... and figure out why the oil cooler cracked in the
first place. My first choice is engine vibration, and the second is
stress due to the baffle mounting flange not being flat.
Linn
On 2/19/2014 8:35 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
> Greetings RV'ers,
>
> On the RV-8, I've got Stewart/Warner 10610R 10 row oil cooler for the IO-390. It's mounted on the rear baffle and its worked well and kept the oil temps in the low 180's under all conditions.
>
> I noticed today, that the outside mounting flange that goes next to the baffle is cracked. I suppose I could get it welded or brazed or whatever they do to aluminium, but that seems like a hack.
>
> Apparently, Chief doesn't carry the Stewart/Warner brand anymore and has to different variants of the Aero Classic brand in the 10 Row 10610R compatible unit.
>
> One is the "Standard" model for $269:
>
> http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/standard/aec-8000081.html
>
> The other is the "HE" (High Efficiency) models are $575:
>
> http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/he-series/aec-8001646.html
>
> Any thought's on either of these two options? Pros and cons. The HE models look a lot like the S&W model I have, assuming the pictures are accurate.
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
> Matt
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> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
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> RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
> http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
> Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
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Matt,
Do you have any photos showing the oil cooler mounted? I'd like to see how you mounted it. Replacing the cooler with the same mounting system will only result in another cracked oil cooler. One of the best solutions is to move the oil cooler off the rear baffle and rubber mount it to the motor mount. A short duct will need to be fashioned. I can supply photos of how this is done. I want to see your mounting photos first.
Charlie Kuss
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On Wed, 2/19/14, Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> wrote:
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Date: Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 8:35 PM
Greetings RV'ers,
On the RV-8, I've got Stewart/Warner 10610R 10 row oil
cooler for the IO-390. It's mounted on the rear baffle
and its worked well and kept the oil temps in the low 180's
under all conditions.
I noticed today, that the outside mounting flange that goes
next to the baffle is cracked. I suppose I could get
it welded or brazed or whatever they do to aluminium, but
that seems like a hack.
Apparently, Chief doesn't carry the Stewart/Warner brand
anymore and has to different variants of the Aero Classic
brand in the 10 Row 10610R compatible unit.
One is the "Standard" model for $269:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/standard/aec-8000081.html
The other is the "HE" (High Efficiency) models are $575:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/he-series/aec-8001646.html
Any thought's on either of these two options? Pros and
cons. The HE models look a lot like the S&W model
I have, assuming the pictures are accurate.
Thanks for the feedback.
Matt
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8
Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild
Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV
YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing
Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization
Log
Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now
In Full Flyer Mode
Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the
Livermore
Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground
transmissions. Archives too!
For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com
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I had a number of cracks on the baffle metal angle aluminum bracing the oil cooler mount. Replaced it with thicker angle and fashioned a diagonal brace for reinforcement. No issues there for 2 yrs now.
Greg On Feb 19, 2014 5:47 PM, "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)> wrote:[quote]
Greetings RV'ers,
On the RV-8, I've got Stewart/Warner 10610R 10 row oil cooler for the IO-390. It's mounted on the rear baffle and its worked well and kept the oil temps in the low 180's under all conditions.
I noticed today, that the outside mounting flange that goes next to the baffle is cracked. I suppose I could get it welded or brazed or whatever they do to aluminium, but that seems like a hack.
Apparently, Chief doesn't carry the Stewart/Warner brand anymore and has to different variants of the Aero Classic brand in the 10 Row 10610R compatible unit.
One is the "Standard" model for $269:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/standard/aec-8000081.html
The other is the "HE" (High Efficiency) models are $575:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/he-series/aec-8001646.html
Any thought's on either of these two options? Pros and cons. The HE models look a lot like the S&W model I have, assuming the pictures are accurate.
Thanks for the feedback.
Matt
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Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore
Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too!
For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com [b]
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Matt Dralle
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I thought the source of the cracking had been addressed. I had some issues with the left-rear baffle flange cracking too in the beginning. I made the rear baffle nice and strong, but used the stock left-rear piece which was .032. It just wasn't up for the task. I later added a cross strut from the crankcase just ahead of the hoist loop all the way back to the left rear corner and added some .063 angle stiffners over the oil cooler flanges for additional support. I'm wondering if I cracked the flange today taking the oil cooler off. It was pretty stuck on and I was having to do a fair amount of prying to get it to separate from the gasket. I would have been more careful if I'd of realized those flanges are made out of such crappy pot metal. Man, they are soft.
Since I'm rebuilding, I decided to rebuild the left-rear baffle part and was taking the oil cooler off today to accommodate that. That's when I noticed the crack.
Attached are some pictures of the setup prior to disassembly today.
Matt
At 06:10 PM 2/19/2014 Wednesday, Kelly McMullen wrote:
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I certainly recommend talking to Pacific Oil Cooler before you make any decisions. They can give you pricing to repair, and probably have a source for exact replacement as well.
On 2/19/2014 6:57 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>If you just install another oil cooler .... my gut feeling is that it'll crack too. If it was mine I would have it welded .... you can't braze aluminum .... and figure out why the oil cooler cracked in the first place. My first choice is engine vibration, and the second is stress due to the baffle mounting flange not being flat.
>Linn
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>On 2/19/2014 8:35 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>>Greetings RV'ers,
>>
>>On the RV-8, I've got Stewart/Warner 10610R 10 row oil cooler for the IO-390. It's mounted on the rear baffle and its worked well and kept the oil temps in the low 180's under all conditions.
>>
>>I noticed today, that the outside mounting flange that goes next to the baffle is cracked. I suppose I could get it welded or brazed or whatever they do to aluminium, but that seems like a hack.
>>
>>Apparently, Chief doesn't carry the Stewart/Warner brand anymore and has to different variants of the Aero Classic brand in the 10 Row 10610R compatible unit.
>>
>>One is the "Standard" model for $269:
>>
>> http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/standard/aec-8000081.html
>>
>>The other is the "HE" (High Efficiency) models are $575:
>>
>> http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/he-series/aec-8001646.html
>>
>>Any thought's on either of these two options? Pros and cons. The HE models look a lot like the S&W model I have, assuming the pictures are accurate.
>>
>>Thanks for the feedback.
>>
>>Matt
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http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
Status: 180+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore
Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too!
For entertainment purposes only. http://klvk.matronics.com
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Matt did you use steel washers between the flange and the Al tube like I told you to? If not this is why they cracked. The units you are looking at will also cracked if mounted the same way. I would opt for real ST parts. Pacific still sells SW. Moving it off the baffle and not using the washers is not going to solve the problem?
On Feb 19, 2014 5:48 PM, "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)> wrote:
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> Greetings RV'ers,
>
> On the RV-8, I've got Stewart/Warner 10610R 10 row oil cooler for the IO-390. It's mounted on the rear baffle and its worked well and kept the oil temps in the low 180's under all conditions.
>
> I noticed today, that the outside mounting flange that goes next to the baffle is cracked. I suppose I could get it welded or brazed or whatever they do to aluminium, but that seems like a hack.
>
> Apparently, Chief doesn't carry the Stewart/Warner brand anymore and has to different variants of the Aero Classic brand in the 10 Row 10610R compatible unit.
>
> One is the "Standard" model for $269:
>
> http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/standard/aec-8000081.html
>
> The other is the "HE" (High Efficiency) models are $575:
>
> http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/he-series/aec-8001646.html
>
> Any thought's on either of these two options? Pros and cons. The HE models look a lot like the S&W model I have, assuming the pictures are accurate.
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
> Matt
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> Matt Dralle
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> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
>
> RV-6 #20916 N360EM "The Flyer"
> http://www.mattsrv6.com - Matt's RV-6 Revitalization Log
> Status: 200+ Hours Since Purchase - Upgrades Complete; Now In Full Flyer Mode
>
> Matt's Livermore Airport Live ATC Stream!
> Check out the live ATC stream directly from my hangar at the Livermore
> Airport. Includes both Tower and Ground transmissions. Archives too!
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Niagara mounted on rear baffle working fine for 16 yrs now.
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Matt-
I see the probability of much motion in that area what with the sheet metal carrying the load and a long vectored brace like you have swinging it. I can show you a better way to mount it if you contact me directly or you can take some other advice that I'm sure you will get from the listers.
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I've been running a Setrab 10 row for around 750 hrs, no problems, temps often run too low and so its half covered with AL tape. It's about 1/3 the size of the standard Vans cooler.
They are made of aluminum rather than brass and AL just works better for a heat exchanger.
You can get aircraft fittings on them too, they even have swivel fittings at 90 and 45 degrees available.
Bill
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From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Oil Cooler's...
Greetings RV'ers,
On the RV-8, I've got Stewart/Warner 10610R 10 row oil cooler for the IO-390.
It's mounted on the rear baffle and its worked well and kept the oil temps in
the low 180's under all conditions.
I noticed today, that the outside mounting flange that goes next to the baffle
is cracked. I suppose I could get it welded or brazed or whatever they do to
aluminium, but that seems like a hack.
Apparently, Chief doesn't carry the Stewart/Warner brand anymore and has to different
variants of the Aero Classic brand in the 10 Row 10610R compatible unit.
One is the "Standard" model for $269:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/standard/aec-8000081.html
The other is the "HE" (High Efficiency) models are $575:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/he-series/aec-8001646.html
Any thought's on either of these two options? Pros and cons. The HE models look
a lot like the S&W model I have, assuming the pictures are accurate.
Thanks for the feedback.
Matt
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Matt,
A few thoughts:
- Mounting the cooler on the firewall solves the "heavy vibrating object
mounted with a large moment arm" problem. Attached photo is how I did it on
the RV-10 (not shown is the forward cooler support attached to the engine
mount). On the RV-8A I mounted the cooler on the right side of the firewall
with the 3" hose connecting on the right side of the plenum. I believe most
8s are on the right side as there is more room.
- Mounting the cooler on the firewall allows for an easy "oil cooler air
butterfly valve" install in the 3" hose between the cooler and firewall.
Here is one place to get this butter fly valve:
http://www.nonstopaviation.com/controller-cooler-p-14592.html?osCsid=bc77b7d
1ef861c7cd83d92c5a28010dc
- Consider using the AirFlow oil cooler if you end up buying a replacement.
I have this on my RV-10 and have never had a oil temp issue. Here is one
place to get this cooler:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/xseriesOilCooler.php
Carl
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Matt,
Nice job on those angle reinforcing plates. I would suggest examining the way the reinforcing plates lay against the oil cooler flanges. If the reinforcing plate presses on the radius of the oil cooler flange, it will introduce a stress into the radius. Your cure to your cracking problem may simply be to radius the reinforcing plate(s) so they don't press on the oil cooler's flange radius.
Regarding the softness of the oil cooler flange, that is a good thing. Soft metals are more ductile than harder alloys. Harder is generally stronger, but also more brittle.
Charlie
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On Wed, 2/19/14, Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Oil Cooler's...
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 9:49 PM
I thought the source of the cracking
had been addressed. I had some issues with the
left-rear baffle flange cracking too in the beginning.
I made the rear baffle nice and strong, but used the stock
left-rear piece which was .032. It just wasn't up for
the task. I later added a cross strut from the
crankcase just ahead of the hoist loop all the way back to
the left rear corner and added some .063 angle stiffners
over the oil cooler flanges for additional support.
I'm wondering if I cracked the flange today taking the oil
cooler off. It was pretty stuck on and I was having to
do a fair amount of prying to get it to separate from the
gasket. I would have been more careful if I'd of
realized those flanges are made out of such crappy pot
metal. Man, they are soft.
Since I'm rebuilding, I decided to rebuild the left-rear
baffle part and was taking the oil cooler off today to
accommodate that. That's when I noticed the crack.
Attached are some pictures of the setup prior to disassembly
today.
Matt
At 06:10 PM 2/19/2014 Wednesday, Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
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>I certainly recommend talking to Pacific Oil Cooler
before you make any decisions. They can give you pricing to
repair, and probably have a source for exact replacement as
well.
>
>On 2/19/2014 6:57 PM, Linn Walters wrote:
>>If you just install another oil cooler .... my gut
feeling is that it'll crack too. If it was mine I
would have it welded .... you can't braze aluminum .... and
figure out why the oil cooler cracked in the first place. My
first choice is engine vibration, and the second is stress
due to the baffle mounting flange not being flat.
>>Linn
>>
>>On 2/19/2014 8:35 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
>>>Greetings RV'ers,
>>>
>>>On the RV-8, I've got Stewart/Warner 10610R 10
row oil cooler for the IO-390. It's mounted on the
rear baffle and its worked well and kept the oil temps in
the low 180's under all conditions.
>>>
>>>I noticed today, that the outside mounting
flange that goes next to the baffle is cracked. I
suppose I could get it welded or brazed or whatever they do
to aluminium, but that seems like a hack.
>>>
>>>Apparently, Chief doesn't carry the
Stewart/Warner brand anymore and has to different variants
of the Aero Classic brand in the 10 Row 10610R compatible
unit.
>>>
>>>One is the "Standard" model for $269:
>>>
>>> http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/standard/aec-8000081.html
>>>
>>>The other is the "HE" (High Efficiency) models
are $575:
>>>
>>> http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/he-series/aec-8001646.html
>>>
>>>Any thought's on either of these two
options? Pros and cons. The HE models look a lot
like the S&W model I have, assuming the pictures are
accurate.
>>>
>>>Thanks for the feedback.
>>>
>>>Matt
>
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Bill -
How did you mount the setrab? Any pictures?
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On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com (bjudge(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote] I've been running a Setrab 10 row for around 750 hrs, no problems, temps often run too low and so its half covered with AL tape. It's about 1/3 the size of the standard Vans cooler.
They are made of aluminum rather than brass and AL just works better for a heat exchanger.
You can get aircraft fittings on them too, they even have swivel fittings at 90 and 45 degrees available.
Bill
N84WJ, RV-8, 980 hrs
rv-8.blogspot.com
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From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Oil Cooler's...
Greetings RV'ers,
On the RV-8, I've got Stewart/Warner 10610R 10 row oil cooler for the IO-390.
It's mounted on the rear baffle and its worked well and kept the oil temps in
the low 180's under all conditions.
I noticed today, that the outside mounting flange that goes next to the baffle
is cracked. I suppose I could get it welded or brazed or whatever they do to
aluminium, but that seems like a hack.
Apparently, Chief doesn't carry the Stewart/Warner brand anymore and has to different
variants of the Aero Classic brand in the 10 Row 10610R compatible unit.
One is the "Standard" model for $269:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/standard/aec-8000081.html
The other is the "HE" (High Efficiency) models are $575:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/he-series/aec-8001646.html
Any thought's on either of these two options? Pros and cons. The HE models look
a lot like the S&W model I have, assuming the pictures are accurate.
Thanks for the feedback.
Matt
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RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
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I just dug back through my emails to find the skinny on the Setrab cooler.
I'm pretty sure it is this one:
http://www.hrpworld.com/store/default/100-series-std-10-row-oil-cooler-3-tall-m22-ports.html
It comes with straight on AN fittings but I couldn't get them to work in the space I had so I used these:http://www.hrpworld.com/store/default/an-10-x-m22-hose-fitting-90.html These fitting are mega expensive but swivel which takes alot of the stress off the attach points. I went this route for a few reasons: I had the stock cooler completely covered with AL tape and stillcouldn't get over 200 F temps.(Too much cooling) My baffles cracked from the weight of the stock cooler.(too much weight)I knew of a rv-6 built by 3 engineers(one is a DER) and they've flown 400 hrs trouble free with this cooler.I didn't do the firewall mount because i didn't want the hoses Even still when its cold I can't get over 160 F.
Bill
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Bill Judge <bjudge(at)gmail.com (bjudge(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote] I've been running a Setrab 10 row for around 750 hrs, no problems, temps often run too low and so its half covered with AL tape. It's about 1/3 the size of the standard Vans cooler.
They are made of aluminum rather than brass and AL just works better for a heat exchanger.
You can get aircraft fittings on them too, they even have swivel fittings at 90 and 45 degrees available.
Bill
N84WJ, RV-8, 980 hrs
rv-8.blogspot.com
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From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)>
Subject: Oil Cooler's...
Greetings RV'ers,
On the RV-8, I've got Stewart/Warner 10610R 10 row oil cooler for the IO-390.
It's mounted on the rear baffle and its worked well and kept the oil temps in
the low 180's under all conditions.
I noticed today, that the outside mounting flange that goes next to the baffle
is cracked. I suppose I could get it welded or brazed or whatever they do to
aluminium, but that seems like a hack.
Apparently, Chief doesn't carry the Stewart/Warner brand anymore and has to different
variants of the Aero Classic brand in the 10 Row 10610R compatible unit.
One is the "Standard" model for $269:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/standard/aec-8000081.html
The other is the "HE" (High Efficiency) models are $575:
http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/he-series/aec-8001646.html
Any thought's on either of these two options? Pros and cons. The HE models look
a lot like the S&W model I have, assuming the pictures are accurate.
Thanks for the feedback.
Matt
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RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
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Status: 172+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
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I have one with ~ 4 hours on it. Will sell for an hours worth of fuel plus shipping. Had unrelated cooling issues on first few flights, but everyone pointed to the non- standard configuration (on firewall) so I changed to SW clone on baffling and still hard other problems to resolve.... Now life is cool at 175 oil temp and < 330 CHT.
Contact off line at 703-732-3264
Marty
RV-7, 150 hrs, KSUT
From: bjudge(at)gmail.com
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:41:33 -0800
Subject: RV-List: Re: Oil Cooler's...
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
I just dug back through my emails to find the skinny on the Setrab cooler.
I'm pretty sure it is this one:
[url=http://www.hrpworld.com/store/default/100-series-std-10-row-oil-cooler-3-tall-m22-ports.html]http://www.hrpworld.com/store/default/100-series-std-10-row-oil-cooler-3-tall-m22-ports.html[/url]
It comes with straight on AN fittings but I couldn't get them to work in the space I had so I used these:[url=http://www.hrpworld.com/store/default/an-10-x-m22-hose-fitting-90.html]http://www.hrpworld.com/store/default/an-10-x-m22-hose-fitting-90.html[/url] These fitting are mega expensive but swivel which takes alot of the stress off the attach points. I went this route for a few reasons: I had the stock cooler completely covered with AL tape and stillcouldn't get over 200 F temps.(Too much cooling) My baffles cracked from the weight of the stock cooler.(too much weight)I knew of a rv-6 built by 3 engineers(one is a DER) and they've flown 400 hrs trouble free with this cooler.I didn't do the firewall mount because i didn't want the hoses Even still when its cold I can't get over 160 F.
Bill
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Bill Judge <[url=mailto:bjudge(at)gmail.com]bjudge(at)gmail.com[/url]> wrote:
[quote] I've been running a Setrab 10 row for around 750 hrs, no problems, temps often run too low and so its half covered with AL tape. It's about 1/3 the size of the standard Vans cooler.
They are made of aluminum rather than brass and AL just works better for a heat exchanger.
You can get aircraft fittings on them too, they even have swivel fittings at 90 and 45 degrees available.
Bill
N84WJ, RV-8, 980 hrs
[url=http://rv-8.blogspot.com]rv-8.blogspot.com[/url]
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From: Matt Dralle <[url=mailto:dralle(at)matronics.com]dralle(at)matronics.com[/url]>
Subject: RV-List: Oil Cooler's...
Greetings RV'ers,
On the RV-8, I've got Stewart/Warner 10610R 10 row oil cooler for the IO-390.
It's mounted on the rear baffle and its worked well and kept the oil temps in
the low 180's under all conditions.
I noticed today, that the outside mounting flange that goes next to the baffle
is cracked. I suppose I could get it welded or brazed or whatever they do to
aluminium, but that seems like a hack.
Apparently, Chief doesn't carry the Stewart/Warner brand anymore and has to different
variants of the Aero Classic brand in the 10 Row 10610R compatible unit.
One is the "Standard" model for $269:
[url=http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/standard/aec-8000081.html]http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/standard/aec-8000081.html[/url]
The other is the "HE" (High Efficiency) models are $575:
[url=http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/he-series/aec-8001646.html]http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/he-series/aec-8001646.html[/url]
Any thought's on either of these two options? Pros and cons. The HE models look
a lot like the S&W model I have, assuming the pictures are accurate.
Thanks for the feedback.
Matt
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RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
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Also had this configuration....I'll send you photos when home, next week. In short, mounted 2 parallel pieces of angle aluminum on firewall, and mounted Setrab to that. Then built a fiberglass 'vulcano' to funnel the air. Had a butterfly valve at the attachment to the baffling....
Marty
RV-7, KSUT 150 hrs
( P.s. Hi Bill..... Still owe you a ride....)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:04:20 -0500
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Oil Cooler's...
From: larry(at)bowenaero.com
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Bill -
How did you mount the setrab? Any pictures?
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On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Bill Judge <[url=mailto:bjudge(at)gmail.com]bjudge(at)gmail.com[/url]> wrote:
[quote] I've been running a Setrab 10 row for around 750 hrs, no problems, temps often run too low and so its half covered with AL tape. It's about 1/3 the size of the standard Vans cooler.
They are made of aluminum rather than brass and AL just works better for a heat exchanger.
You can get aircraft fittings on them too, they even have swivel fittings at 90 and 45 degrees available.
Bill
N84WJ, RV-8, 980 hrs
[url=http://rv-8.blogspot.com]rv-8.blogspot.com[/url]
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From: Matt Dralle <[url=mailto:dralle(at)matronics.com]dralle(at)matronics.com[/url]>
Subject: RV-List: Oil Cooler's...
Greetings RV'ers,
On the RV-8, I've got Stewart/Warner 10610R 10 row oil cooler for the IO-390.
It's mounted on the rear baffle and its worked well and kept the oil temps in
the low 180's under all conditions.
I noticed today, that the outside mounting flange that goes next to the baffle
is cracked. I suppose I could get it welded or brazed or whatever they do to
aluminium, but that seems like a hack.
Apparently, Chief doesn't carry the Stewart/Warner brand anymore and has to different
variants of the Aero Classic brand in the 10 Row 10610R compatible unit.
One is the "Standard" model for $269:
[url=http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/standard/aec-8000081.html]http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/standard/aec-8000081.html[/url]
The other is the "HE" (High Efficiency) models are $575:
[url=http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/he-series/aec-8001646.html]http://www.chiefaircraft.com/aircraft/oil-system-filters/oil-coolers/he-series/aec-8001646.html[/url]
Any thought's on either of these two options? Pros and cons. The HE models look
a lot like the S&W model I have, assuming the pictures are accurate.
Thanks for the feedback.
Matt
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RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
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Gary.A.Sobek
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: SoCAL USA
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:57 pm Post subject: Oil Cooler's... |
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I originally flew my O-320 RV-6 in Southern California heat during September 1997 with an oil cooler mounted on the firewall with 3" SCAT tubing running to it.
I constantly had high oil temperature. Relocating the oil cooler to the engine mount behind cylinder #4 with a full size opening duct to it just an inch behind the cylinder lowered oil temp 30 degrees F.
In a high heat environment with high power settings, I would not use a firewall mounted oil cooler and 3" SCAT to it. There is not enough air flow going through the oil cooler with the setup that I originally had.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,810+ Flying Hours So. CA, USA
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