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Tony Vitiello

Joined: 02 Apr 2014
Posts: 16

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:30 am Post subject: Post Your Kolb Pictures

I'm trying to get the funds together for a Kolb build and would love to see some pics of your projects or completed Kolbs.  What do you have to show?

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:59 am Post subject: Post Your Kolb Pictures

Might be more productive to do a Google search for "Kolb aircraft projects".



john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama



 

I'm trying to get the funds together for a Kolb build and would love to see

some pics of your projects or completed Kolbs.  What do you have to show?



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St. Louis, MO

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John Hauck
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hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

rowedenny

Joined: 09 Mar 2008
Posts: 338
Location: Western PA

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:28 am Post subject: Post Your Kolb Pictures

Dennis "Skid" Rowe

Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA



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Tony Vitiello

Joined: 02 Apr 2014
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:39 am Post subject: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures

 	  John Hauck wrote: 	
		  Might be more productive to do a Google search for "Kolb aircraft projects".



john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama



 

I'm trying to get the funds together for a Kolb build and would love to see

some pics of your projects or completed Kolbs.  What do you have to show?



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St. Louis, MO 	




I've done plenty of Google searches and have seen lots of Kolbs.  My ultralight airport has 8 Kolbs flying.  I'm just wanting to see what everyone on the list has and try and generate some interest and discussion.

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Tony Vitiello
St. Louis, MO

Tony Vitiello

Joined: 02 Apr 2014
Posts: 16

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:41 am Post subject: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures

Nice Mark III Dennis.  Thanks for posting.  Sounds like Kolb won't be selling the Classic anymore unless under special circumstances.  I think the Classic is more appealing to me than the Xtra.

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Tony Vitiello
St. Louis, MO

Rex Rodebush

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 209
Location: Branson West area, Missouri

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures

The only problem I had with the Classic was that your legs have to angle in.  With the Xtra your legs are straight out.  I have a bad lower disc so after about two minutes in the Classic my back was hurting.  No problem in the Xtra.  



May not be an issue with you.

rowedenny

Joined: 09 Mar 2008
Posts: 338
Location: Western PA

Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:01 pm Post subject: Post Your Kolb Pictures

Thanks Tony,

I like em both, the Xtra leg room is really nice. But my old trusty Mk 3 is cozy. 



Dennis "Skid" Rowe

Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA



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		   On Apr 10, 2014, at 3:41 PM, "Tony Vitiello" <tony(at)tgrankin.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 Nice Mark III Dennis.  Thanks for posting.  Sounds like Kolb won't be selling the Classic anymore unless under special circumstances.  I think the Classic is more appealing to me than the Xtra.

 

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Tony Vitiello

Joined: 02 Apr 2014
Posts: 16

Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures

I like the 2 seat Kolbs but I am actually leaning towards a Firefly or Firestar build.  I think I can afford to finish the project sooner with The FF or FS.  



I've flown a friend's Firefly and thought the handling was nice and responsive like many have said.  Out of curiosity, how much different is the handling in the FS than the FF.  I was amazed at how much better the Firefly handles than my Quicksilver.  



Any more pics guys?

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Tony Vitiello
St. Louis, MO

undoctor

Joined: 21 Oct 2008
Posts: 212
Location: Bethelhem, PA

Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:08 pm Post subject: Post Your Kolb Pictures

Hey Tony,



Here are a couple of shots of my FF which is known as the FlagFly, built 

by Don Gheradini.  It has some custom work to the fabric on the cockpit 

as well as an incredible paint job.  Maybe some inspiration in some 

way.  Best wishes and enjoy the project.



Dave Kulp

Bethlehem, PA

FireFly 11DMK

On 4/13/2014 11:58 PM, Tony Vitiello wrote:

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 I like the 2 seat Kolbs but I am actually leaning towards a Firefly or Firestar build.  I think I can afford to finish the project sooner with The FF or FS.



 I've flown a friend's Firefly and thought the handling was nice and responsive like many have said.  Out of curiosity, how much different is the handling in the FS than the FF.  I was amazed at how much better the Firefly handles than my Quicksilver.



 Any more pics guys?



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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:11 am Post subject: Post your Kolb Pictures

Tony- Here is a link to a flight in Dave Kulp's Firefly "Flagfly".  It was made by Don G., and is one of my favorite videos.  Go to full screen, and turn the sound on.  



  Go to this link, and go 3/4 of the way down the first page.  Click on the download of the video, and enjoy.

http://www.dgmodels.rchomepage.com/index.htm

  



                                                               Bill Sullivan

                                                               Windsor Locks, Ct.

                                                               FS  447

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rowedenny

Joined: 09 Mar 2008
Posts: 338
Location: Western PA

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:42 am Post subject: Post your Kolb Pictures

This bird may be the finest example of a Firefly ever built. I would love to get a chance to fly it someday.



Dennis "Skid" RoweMk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA

On Apr 14, 2014, at 8:08 AM, william sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net (williamtsullivan(at)att.net)> wrote:

[quote]  Tony- Here is a link to a flight in Dave Kulp's Firefly "Flagfly".  It was made by Don G., and is one of my favorite videos.  Go to full screen, and turn the sound on.  



  Go to this link, and go 3/4 of the way down the first page.  Click on the download of the video, and enjoy.

http://www.dgmodels.rchomepage.com/index.htm

  



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                                                               FS  447

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:58 am Post subject: Post your Kolb Pictures

Here is a Firefly built by Brian Melborn for a customer in 2004.

 

I had the opportunity to fly it at Sun and Fun 2004.

 

Trying to remember correctly.Â  Think I flew Don G's Firefly many years ago before he painted it in the flag scheme.Â  Don was gracious enough to put me up for the night on a return flight from Oshkosh.Â  Have no idea what year that was.

 

john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama

 

 

 

This bird may be the finest example of a Firefly ever built. I would love to get a chance to fly it someday.



Dennis "Skid" Rowe

Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA



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herbgh(at)nctc.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:04 am Post subject: Post Your Kolb Pictures

Did Don post an empty weight for his plane?  Herb

On 04/14/2014 12:07 AM, David Kulp wrote:

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		   Hey Tony,

 Here are a couple of shots of my FF which is known as the FlagFly, 

 built by Don Gheradini.  It has some custom work to the fabric on the 

 cockpit as well as an incredible paint job.  Maybe some inspiration in 

 some way.  Best wishes and enjoy the project.

 Dave Kulp

 Bethlehem, PA

 FireFly 11DMK

 On 4/13/2014 11:58 PM, Tony Vitiello wrote:

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>

> I like the 2 seat Kolbs but I am actually leaning towards a Firefly 

> or Firestar build.  I think I can afford to finish the project sooner 

> with The FF or FS.

>

> I've flown a friend's Firefly and thought the handling was nice and 

> responsive like many have said.  Out of curiosity, how much different 

> is the handling in the FS than the FF.  I was amazed at how much 

> better the Firefly handles than my Quicksilver.

>

> Any more pics guys?

>

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> Tony Vitiello

> St. Louis, MO

>

>

> Read this topic online here:

>

> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421960#421960

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rowedenny

Joined: 09 Mar 2008
Posts: 338
Location: Western PA

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:29 am Post subject: Post your Kolb Pictures

The two Fireflys mentioned above are easy to get mixed up due to the very similar paint. The one built by Don G and now owned my Mr Kulp has the single wing strut instead of the stock double strut. Just adds to the overall sexiness. ðŸ˜œ

Both birds are near perfect.



Dennis "Skid" RoweMk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA

On Apr 14, 2014, at 8:58 AM, "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:

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Here is a Firefly built by Brian Melborn for a customer in 2004.

 

I had the opportunity to fly it at Sun and Fun 2004.

 

Trying to remember correctly.  Think I flew Don G's Firefly many years ago before he painted it in the flag scheme.  Don was gracious enough to put me up for the night on a return flight from Oshkosh.  Have no idea what year that was.

 

john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama

 

 

 

This bird may be the finest example of a Firefly ever built. I would love to get a chance to fly it someday.



Dennis "Skid" Rowe

Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA



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Tony Vitiello

Joined: 02 Apr 2014
Posts: 16

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:58 am Post subject: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures

I met Don G at the Midwest Light Sport Expo in Mt Vernon, IL.  We were talking to the owner of another Firefly that was on display at the show.  He mentioned his modifications to the wing struts.



The Firefly I flew was right at 254 built with no brakes etc.  How would a Firefly handle at gross weight of 500 lbs?  Would be easy to get to that 500 lbs with me at 170 lbs plus 10 gallons of fuel and a Rotax 503.

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St. Louis, MO

undoctor

Joined: 21 Oct 2008
Posts: 212
Location: Bethelhem, PA

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:40 am Post subject: Post Your Kolb Pictures

I weighed it with a digital scale and two blocks of wood equivalent in height. It weighs just over 300# without the BRS. It has the split rim wheels with hydraulic disc brakes, extra tubing for the enhanced cockpit and compartment enclosure, gear leg fairings, I'm pretty sure a longer than stock FF nose cone. Also the seat is fiberglas with a padded cover which is likely heavier than the hammock seat.Â 

The single wing strut makes the plane slipperyer, since, as I understand, the double strut was employed to slow the plane down. My cruise at 3/4 power is in excess of 65 mph.Â 

I didn't think of it earlier in the thread but if you surf around Don's website that's on Dennis' post, you'll find an enormous amount of building tips and info. If not contact me and I'll rifle through my files to try to find it. Don's a Honda Motors engineer, has completed 5 homebuilts, his last a Luscombe, and an antique Indian motorcycle replica, and his advice is well worth reviewing.Â 

I have numerous short videos downloaded on the web if you'd like to take another flight in it. There's one in especially rough air which will give you a good idea what these little sports car airplanes can do. My hand on the stick reflecting in the windscreen flipping side to side isn't my hand moving but the effect from bouncing about the sky. If you want to check them go to. Â youtube.com/undoctor Â  Â and pick any video with the FlagFly on the thumbnail They're not polished like Larry's and some others but you can hear how the plane responds to the engine.Â 

As before, thanks Don.Â 

Dave Kulp

Bethlehem, PA

FireFly 11DMK

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From: Herb <herbgh(at)nctc.com> 

Date:04/14/2014  9:04 AM  (GMT-05:00) 

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com 

Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures 

Did Don post an empty weight for his plane?Â  Herb

On 04/14/2014 12:07 AM, David Kulp wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Hey Tony,

 Here are a couple of shots of my FF which is known as the FlagFly, 

 built by Don Gheradini.Â  It has some custom work to the fabric on the 

 cockpit as well as an incredible paint job.Â  Maybe some inspiration in 

 some way.Â  Best wishes and enjoy the project.

 Dave Kulp

 Bethlehem, PA

 FireFly 11DMK

 On 4/13/2014 11:58 PM, Tony Vitiello wrote:

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> I like the 2 seat Kolbs but I am actually leaning towards a Firefly 

> or Firestar build.Â  I think I can afford to finish the project sooner 

> with The FF or FS.

>

> I've flown a friend's Firefly and thought the handling was nice and 

> responsive like many have said.Â  Out of curiosity, how much different 

> is the handling in the FS than the FF.Â  I was amazed at how much 

> better the Firefly handles than my Quicksilver.

>

> Any more pics guys?

>

> --------

> Tony Vitiello

> St. Louis, MO

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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421960#421960

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michaelrorth

Joined: 04 Feb 2011
Posts: 65

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:41 am Post subject: Post Your Kolb Pictures

Good Morning Tony,

  

 Thanks for your reply.

 Have bookmarked your site and will check it when I need  something.

  

 Thanks again,

 Michael

      

  

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michaelrorth

Joined: 04 Feb 2011
Posts: 65

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:44 am Post subject: Post Your Kolb Pictures

Tony,

  

 OOPS!

  

 Disregard my last.

  

 Michael



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rowedenny

Joined: 09 Mar 2008
Posts: 338
Location: Western PA

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:27 am Post subject: Post Your Kolb Pictures

Should be fine I would think. Definitely would have more than enough power. ðŸ˜³



Dennis "Skid" Rowe

Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA



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		   On Apr 14, 2014, at 9:58 AM, "Tony Vitiello" <tony(at)tgrankin.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 I met Don G at the Midwest Light Sport Expo in Mt Vernon, IL.  We were talking to the owner of another Firefly that was on display at the show.  He mentioned his modifications to the wing struts.

 

 The Firefly I flew was right at 254 built with no brakes etc.  How would a Firefly handle at gross weight of 500 lbs?  Would be easy to get to that 500 lbs with me at 170 lbs plus 10 gallons of fuel and a Rotax 503.

 

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 Tony Vitiello

 St. Louis, MO

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421970#421970

Tony Vitiello

Joined: 02 Apr 2014
Posts: 16

Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures

No doubt on the power.  These Fireflies are little rocket ships with a Rotax 447.  



No concerns about structural strength when flying at gross or somewhat over (500 lbs).  



I'd like to put a 10 gallon tank in a Firefly along with a 503 (because I already have a good 503 that is still pretty new).  I weigh about 175 so I'd be close to gross weight with 10 gallons (full fuel for a cross country). 

 	  rowedenny wrote: 	
		  Should be fine I would think. Definitely would have more than enough power. ðŸ˜³



Dennis "Skid" Rowe

Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA



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		   On Apr 14, 2014, at 9:58 AM, "Tony Vitiello" <tony> wrote:

 

 

 

 I met Don G at the Midwest Light Sport Expo in Mt Vernon, IL.  We were talking to the owner of another Firefly that was on display at the show.  He mentioned his modifications to the wing struts.

 

 The Firefly I flew was right at 254 built with no brakes etc.  How would a Firefly handle at gross weight of 500 lbs?  Would be easy to get to that 500 lbs with me at 170 lbs plus 10 gallons of fuel and a Rotax 503.

 

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 Tony Vitiello

 St. Louis, MO

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421970#421970

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