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jdeuchar

Joined: 22 May 2013
Posts: 9

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:45 pm Post subject: Tires for Cj

Hi All,

  

 Is there a North American tire and tube for the Cj?

  

 Jeff

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hkgibby(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:26 pm Post subject: Tires for Cj

Desser tire company (www.desser.com), Mains: size 500x150 and Nose: 400x150.  They also do retreads if you have a set to send them.  Will save you $$.  Free shipping and pretty good customer service.  Also $10 off for AOPA members.  Hope this helps.

Hoot



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On Apr 27, 2014, at 10:44 PM, "Jeff D" <f1rocket(at)unusualattitude.ca (f1rocket(at)unusualattitude.ca)> wrote:

[quote]    Hi All,

  

 Is there a North American tire and tube for the Cj?

  

 Jeff

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Dale

Joined: 30 May 2007
Posts: 178

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:05 am Post subject: Re: Tires for Cj

Desser only retreads their carcasses now.

dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:55 am Post subject: Tires for Cj

Contact Desser Tire in California. They are the only supplier in the US.   www.desser.com.  They sell both the 500x150 and the 400x150 tires for both the Yak's and CJ's.  They are US manufactured tires for Desser.

Dennis

  

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On Sun, 4/27/14, Jeff D <f1rocket(at)unusualattitude.ca> wrote:



 Subject: Tires for Cj

 To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Sunday, April 27, 2014, 9:44 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 Hi All,

  

 Is there a North American tire and tube for the

 Cj?

  

 Jeff

keithmckinley

Joined: 11 Aug 2008
Posts: 434

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:28 am Post subject: Re: Tires for Cj

For what its worth, I've had better service life from the Chinese tires than the Dresser and they are less expensive.

byronmfox(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:45 am Post subject: Tires for Cj

While the Chinese tires have a rather short tread life, when subsequently retreaded by Desser they last forever.



Blitz Fox

415-307-2405



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		   On Apr 28, 2014, at 12:28 PM, "keithmckinley" <cetopfed(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 For what its worth, I've had better service life from the Chinese tires than the Dresser and they are less expensive.

 

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 Keith McKinley

 700HS

 X26 Sebastian, FL

 

 

 

 

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cd001633(at)mindspring.co
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:40 pm Post subject: Tires for Cj

It was mentioned on this thread that of late, Desser no longer accepts

Chinese or Russian cores for recap.  I believe this was a correct statement.



Once recapped, their tires last for a very long time.



Sam Sax



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dougsappllc(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:22 am Post subject: Tires for Cj

Guys,I spoke to Tony at Desser yesterday and YES they are still recapping the Chinese tires. Â 

Also, has anyone out there actually ran a test, maybe one Desser and one Chinese tire to see which wore out first?? Â My honest opinion and experience tells me that either the Chinese have either changed their rubber formulation or the "soft Chinese rubber" story is exactly that, a story. Â The tires which we have available at this time are of current mfg, not NOS. Â No one to date has mentioned any problems. Â 

 

On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Sam Sax <cd001633(at)mindspring.com (cd001633(at)mindspring.com)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Yak-List message posted by: "Sam Sax" <cd001633(at)mindspring.com (cd001633(at)mindspring.com)>

  

 

 It was mentioned on this thread that of late, Desser no longer accepts

 Chinese or Russian cores for recap. Â I believe this was a correct statement.

 

 Once recapped, their tires last for a very long time.

 

 Sam Sax

 

 

 

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dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:56 am Post subject: Tires for Cj

In my opinion and         based on my experience, THE absolute best           way to assure you not only have a long lasting tire, but a tire that will               be balanced and run smooth when installed, is to order               Doug's Chinese tires and ship these                 brand new tires to Desser for retreading.  Doing this will cost about the same                   as buying one, new Desser tire, but will last you 300+ hours of normal use versus 100                         or so for the stock or new Desser tire.  Plus you have a 50% chance of a                               new Desser tire not balancing properly when installed on the wheel assembly.

                                     

                                     New Desser                                       tires - Approximately                                           $185 each

                                           Cost of                                               Doug's new                                                 Chinese tires - about                                                 half of the                                                   new tire price

                                                   Cost                                                     of retreading                                                       your cores - about                                                       half of the new                                                         tire price

                                                         Benefits                                                           =                                                           smooth running                                                           and 300+ hours                                                           of tread life.

                                                           

                                     The reason the                                       retreaded tire is so well-balanced                                       is because Desser retreads AND                                       BALANCES all                                         their retreaded tires themselves at their                                             California plant.  Whereas                                             the new                                               Desser tires are                                               manufactured for them by                                               one of the tire                                               manufacturers and                                                   whatever or however that                                                     manufacturer                                                     balances the tire is                                                     what you get.                                                    Believe                                                     me when I tell you I                                                     have been there,                                                       done                                                         that and                                                       gotten                                                       several                                                         T-shirts                                                           fighting                                                           this problem                                                           and have replaced                                                           new Desser                                                           tires several                                                           times on the                                                           same airplane                                                           and on the                                                           same wheels                                                           because of a                                                           balance problem                                                           with the                                                           new tires.  The                                                           old                                                           tires on that                                                           airplane were                                                           as smooth                                                           as glass.  Changing                                                           to the                                                           retreaded                                                           tires solved                                                           the                                                           vibration/balance                                                           problem immediately                                                           and                                                           they seem                                                           to last                                                           forever                                                           because of the                                                           much better                                                           rubber                                                           compound of                                                           the retreads.

                                                           

                                                           Dennis                                                                                               

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		  A. Dennis Savarese

334-285-6263

334-546-8182 (mobile)

www.yak-52.com

Skype - Yakguy1 	
       On 4/29/2014 8:21 AM, doug sapp wrote:

     

     [quote]       Guys,         I spoke to Tony at Desser yesterday and YES they are still           recapping the Chinese tires.  

         

         

         Also, has anyone out there actually ran a test, maybe one           Desser and one Chinese tire to see which wore out first??  My           honest opinion and experience tells me that either the Chinese           have either changed their rubber formulation or the "soft           Chinese rubber" story is exactly that, a story.  The tires           which we have available at this time are of current mfg, not           NOS.  No one to date has mentioned any problems.  

       

       

         

         On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Sam           Sax <cd001633(at)mindspring.com (cd001633(at)mindspring.com)>           wrote:

           [quote]-->             Yak-List message posted by: "Sam Sax" <cd001633(at)mindspring.com (cd001633(at)mindspring.com)>

             

             

             It was mentioned on this thread that of late, Desser no             longer accepts

             Chinese or Russian cores for recap.  I believe this was a             correct statement.

             

             Once recapped, their tires last for a very long time.

             

             Sam Sax

             

             

             

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PaulW

Joined: 14 May 2013
Posts: 25

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:16 am Post subject: Re: Tires for Cj

Hi



Where can one get the Chinese Tires?

Pref direct from China supplier....



Paul

dougsappllc(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:56 am Post subject: Tires for Cj

Paul,Doug Sapp here, I have the tires in stock, if interested please contact me off list 590-826-4610 PST 8am to 5pm.

May I ask why you prefer to buy from China rather than someone here in the US? Â I am sure that by the time you pay for the tires (you must pre pay upfront) with a bank transfer ($40.00 at my bank), pay the shipping, and customs your net cost will be higher than the US price. Â I might also add that unless you know the seller you really have no recourse should he send you something other than what you have ordered, or in the worse case, sends you nothing at all. Â US parts vendors are here supporting the aviation community and most if not all stand behind their products and do what's right by their customers. Â I am not saying that the Chinese vendors will not, just saying that you may find it easier and cheaper in the long run to fix a problem with someone who actually speaks and understands English and is a bit closer to home.

 



Best,

Doug



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 Hi

 

 Where can one get the Chinese Tires?

 Pref direct from China supplier....

 

 Paul

 

 

 

 

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Dale

Joined: 30 May 2007
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:08 am Post subject: Re: Tires for Cj

I have about 10 tires that need retread .  Desser must have changed their minds because I went to send a set in last year and they told me NO ! 

I know for a fact their retreads last a lot longer than the Russian tires .

I also know there new tires last about 1/3 as long as a recap for me and I am not hard on tires.  Doesn't matter where you get a tire to recap because Desser inspects it before doing any work.  If the sidewall is not good enough or the cord is showing on the tread they will not do it.  Buy a Tire from Doug !

dsavarese0812(at)bellsout
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:13 am Post subject: Tires for Cj

Paul,

         Don't you buy your             CJ6 parts from Doug Sapp here in the US?  He's the go-to guy             for the Chinese tires and everything               for the CJ.

             Dennis

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		  A. Dennis Savarese

334-285-6263

334-546-8182 (mobile)

www.yak-52.com

Skype - Yakguy1 	
       On 4/29/2014 11:16 AM, PaulW wrote:

     

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		  --> Yak-List message posted by: "PaulW" <paul(at)budcyber.com> (paul(at)budcyber.com)



Hi



Where can one get the Chinese Tires?

Pref direct from China supplier....



Paul





Read this topic online here:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422550#422550



	
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:40 am Post subject: Tires for Cj

Hear Hear.

Mark



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threein60(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:49 am Post subject: Tires for Cj

Dresser notified me that the tires must pass visual as well as a pressure test and will be limiting to a total of 2 recaps per tire carcus.  Dresser tires are not recap limited but the Chinese and Russian are. 

 

Larry Pine

     On Tuesday, April 29, 2014 10:49 AM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil> wrote:

  

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Hear Hear.

Mark



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keithmckinley

Joined: 11 Aug 2008
Posts: 434

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Tires for Cj

I just bought new tires from Doug and had zero balancing issues. Why would you NOT use up the tread on the new tires before recapping? 



Keith

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jblake207(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:25 pm Post subject: Tires for Cj

Doug etal... I sort of ran a test a few years ago. Installed two new Chinese tires and after about 2-3 flights ran over something that cut the right main tire deep. So I installed a Desser retread and planned to run the Chinese tire until worn out. That came about 50 or so flight hours or about six months later. I installed the other Desser retread... That was in 2009 and I'm still on those retreads with around 500 hours on them. They still have plenty of tread left still although I noticed this weekend a little cracking or the beginning of "dry rot" on the original Chinese tire. I'm not sure about the manufacture date of the Chinese tires but I bought several pair back in about 2007 so maybe those tires were softer rubber. Another factor may be the heat here in the South. At any rate I like the Dessert over the Chinese.


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doug sapp <dougsappllc(at)gmail.com> wrote:


[quote]Guys,


I spoke to Tony at Desser yesterday and YES they are still recapping the Chinese tires. Â 



Also, has anyone out there actually ran a test, maybe one Desser and one Chinese tire to see which wore out first?? Â My honest opinion and experience tells me that either the Chinese have either changed their rubber formulation or the "soft Chinese rubber" story is exactly that, a story. Â The tires which we have available at this time are of current mfg, not NOS. Â No one to date has mentioned any problems. Â 




On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Sam Sax <cd001633(at)mindspring.com> wrote:





It was mentioned on this thread that of late, Desser no longer accepts

Chinese or Russian cores for recap. Â I believe this was a correct statement.


Once recapped, their tires last for a very long time.


Sam Sax




--

jblake207(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:35 pm Post subject: Tires for Cj

I'm with Keith. The tires I bought from Doug had no balance issues at all. Ran them several months then sent them off for recap while I was wearing down another set of new... 


I'm also in full agreement with Dennis... Doug Sapp is Da-Man when it comes to the CJ... From parts to technical advice. He especially enjoys those early morning calls that start with 'Doug, my airplane is broke. Why?' 


BTW Doug... The new shimmy dampener made all the difference...thanks.


JB


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keithmckinley <cetopfed(at)gmail.com> wrote:


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I just bought new Tire from Doug and had zero balancing issues. Why wouldn't you NOT use up the tread on the new tires before recapping? 


Keith


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700HS

X26 Sebastian, FL





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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 3:25 pm Post subject: Tires for Cj

Paul,

I read and speak Chinese and my brother-in-law is living there. I also have Chinese friends who are in aviation business there. I can tell from experience that buying from Doug Sapp is much easier (and often cheaper) than trying to source parts from China. It is true that some parts are cheaper from China; however, by the time you add shipping, waiting time, custom/tariff, lack of warranty, ... there is no saving buying from China.

The best part about buying from Doug is his technical support. Doug will answer all questions about your CJ even if it is not related to the parts you brought. You are on your own if you buy from Chinese supplier.

Robin

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Paul,Doug Sapp here, I have the tires in stock, if interested please contact me off list 590-826-4610 PST 8am to 5pm.

May I ask why you prefer to buy from China rather than someone here in the US?  I am sure that by the time you pay for the tires (you must pre pay upfront) with a bank transfer ($40.00 at my bank), pay the shipping, and customs your net cost will be higher than the  US price.  I might also add that unless you know the seller you really have no recourse should he send you something other than what you have ordered, or in the worse case, sends you nothing at all.  US parts vendors are here supporting the aviation community and most if not all stand behind their products and do what's right by their customers.  I am not saying that the Chinese vendors will not, just saying that you may find it easier and cheaper in the long run to fix a problem with someone who actually speaks and understands English and is a bit closer to home.

 



Best,

Doug



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 Where can one get the Chinese Tires?

 Pref direct from China supplier....

 

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Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:51 am Post subject: Tires for Cj

Excellent point Keith.  Potential sidewall cracking (aging) and an accidental flat spotting which might wear the tread to the cord would be the only reason I can think of.

Dennis



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 Subject: Re: Tires for Cj

 To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 4:56 PM

 

 

 "keithmckinley" <cetopfed(at)gmail.com>

 

 I just bought new Tire from Doug and had zero balancing

 issues. Why wouldn't you NOT use up the tread on the new

 tires before recapping? 

 

 Keith

 

 --------

 Keith McKinley

 700HS

 X26 Sebastian, FL

 

 

 

 

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