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rowlandcarson(at)gmail.co
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 11:39 am Post subject: facebook or twitter

On 6 May 2014, at 18:50, g-fizy wrote:



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		   Can i just throw a thought out to you all ,should we move to facebook or twitter ,, I am not a big fan of this old style forum ,,perhaps we could bring this up at the AGM 


	


Jim - presumably that would be the AGM of Matronics, Inc - the organisation that controls and runs the Europa e-mail list. (The Europa Club has no control over the list - we did provide archive files to Matronics from the earlier period when the Club _did_ run the list, but that is where the Club's involvement ended.)



I imagine you have a plan whereby the archives of the Europa list would be transferred to whichever new tool you favour, and arrangements for that new tool to provide similar search facilities as those provided by Matronics. I suppose you have also figured out a persuasive argument that will make it clear to Matt Dralle (head man at Matronics) how advantageous to him your new proposal will be, to ensure that he takes down the Europa list and archives from his servers.



If "no" to any of the above, then you're just going to be fragmenting the Europa community rather than doing anyone a favour. And even if you can answer "yes" to all those questions, and have got Matt's agreement to take down his list and archives, it's clear that most folk who have voiced an opinion are unlikely to follow you anyway - we'll just set up another e-mail list somewhere else!



My personal feeling is that neither Twitter nor FaceBook is a suitable platform for a technical discussion forum. Unlike many other posters here, I subscribe to both, so I am not talking from a position of complete ignorance.



in friendship



Rowland



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ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 11:47 am Post subject: facebook or twitter

Well said Frans. I am of the same opinion.

Tim

Tim Ward

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		   On 8/05/2014, at 3:21 am, Frans Veldman <frans(at)privatepilots.nl> wrote:

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> 

> Can i just throw a thought out to you all ,should we move to

> facebook or twitter ,, I am not a big fan of this old style forum

> ,,perhaps we could bring this up at the AGM 

 Hell no! I don't and won't have a facebook account. They are nor

 interested in you, nor in airplanes. They are only interested in money

 in whatever way they can get it. They sell everything a healthy

 individual would consider "private". Have seen the "like-buttons"

 everywhere? They act as little spies: once you are in their system

 they can track whatever website you visit, what your interests are, etc.

 Have noticed their stock value? Divide that by the amount of users and

 you will find that each individual user is worth about 150 US$. That

 is what some unknown parties pay them to obtain all your data and

 statistics.

 George Orwell was an optimist, only about 30 years too early.

 I don't care if individuals give away their privacy to facebook to let

 them collect 150 US$ for it, but I don't want to be part of this

 system. That means that once this forum is moved to facebook it will

 be without me.

 Frans

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asarangan(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 11:47 am Post subject: facebook or twitter

Facebook has always surprised me with the huge number of buttons you

have to press to do simple things, and having to reload the entire

page after each click.



Email can be read with an ascii browser such as lynx. The versatility

of email cannot be beaten, yet.





On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Ivor Phillips

<ivor.phillips(at)ntlworld.com> wrote:

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 Exactly has Frans put it! You wouldn't see me using face book or twitter,

 Emails may now be old hat but they work for me and with a decent search engine for past topics

 Much more user friendly IMO

 Ivor Phillips



 Sent from my iPad



> On 7 May 2014, at 16:21, Frans Veldman <frans(at)privatepilots.nl> wrote:

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>> On 05/06/2014 07:50 PM, g-fizy wrote:

>> 

>>

>> Can i just throw a thought out to you all ,should we move to

>> facebook or twitter ,, I am not a big fan of this old style forum

>> ,,perhaps we could bring this up at the AGM 

>

> Hell no! I don't and won't have a facebook account. They are nor

> interested in you, nor in airplanes. They are only interested in money

> in whatever way they can get it. They sell everything a healthy

> individual would consider "private". Have seen the "like-buttons"

> everywhere? They act as little spies: once you are in their system

> they can track whatever website you visit, what your interests are, etc.

> Have noticed their stock value? Divide that by the amount of users and

> you will find that each individual user is worth about 150 US$. That

> is what some unknown parties pay them to obtain all your data and

> statistics.

> George Orwell was an optimist, only about 30 years too early.

>

> I don't care if individuals give away their privacy to facebook to let

> them collect 150 US$ for it, but I don't want to be part of this

> system. That means that once this forum is moved to facebook it will

> be without me.

>

> Frans

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g-fizy

Joined: 27 May 2012
Posts: 46
Location: uk

Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 2:51 am Post subject: Re: facebook or twitter

Why not just have a facebook or twitter page ASWELL ,But not for technichal items,,  you could look if you want ,dont have to join or follow ,, the adavanteges would be posting pictures of your location where your going ,builders can easly post updates of their work ,,,,and best of all non europa people who mite have a interest can look at the pages ,,,I am happy to set up the pages if enough are interested 



regards jim

peterz(at)zutrasoft.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 3:04 am Post subject: facebook or twitter

Unless you pick up many new participants, it would be counterproductive to fragment the already small online Europa builder's community.

It would also be goodÂ  (imo)Â  to keep any/all new builder pics on the europaowners.org site.... so they are all in one spot.

  



Cheers,



Pete



On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 6:51 AM, g-fizy <jim.davis1(at)me.com (jim.davis1(at)me.com)> wrote:

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 Why not just have a facebook or twitter page ASWELL ,But not for technichal items,, Â you could look if you want ,dont have to join or follow ,, the adavanteges would be posting pictures of your location where your going ,builders can easly post updates of their work ,,,,and best of all non europa people who mite have a interest can look at the pages ,,,I am happy to set up the pages if enough are interested

   

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rowlandcarson(at)gmail.co
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 4:10 am Post subject: facebook or twitter

On 8 May 2014, at 11:51, g-fizy wrote:



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		   Why not just have a facebook or twitter page ASWELL ,But not for technichal items,,  you could look if you want ,dont have to join or follow ,, the adavanteges would be posting pictures of your location where your going ,builders can easly post updates of their work ,,,,and best of all non europa people who mite have a interest can look at the pages ,,,I am happy to set up the pages if enough are interested


	


Jim - I counted responses from about 15 people on this topic. All but a couple were not keen to add another place for Europa stuff. That sounds to me like "not enough interested", although of course you may have had supporters of your idea contact you outside the Matronics forum. On the other hand if you are having difficulty reading the Matronics messages you may have missed some of the feedback to your suggestion.



There's nothing to stop you setting up your own bit of Europa cyberspace wherever you want to, but please do make sure that it always has pointers to the well-established discussion forum on the Matronics server, and the big reservoir of pictures on http://europaowners.org (not to be confused with europaowners.com which is about the Lotus car of the same name).



If you don't provide those connexions, people coming across your new site/page/feed/whatever might be tempted to think "can't be much good of an aeroplane if it's got only 1 guy interested in it".



One more thought - I can see a great deal of enthusiasm in your postings (previous threads as well as this one) and am wondering if there is an opening for you on The Europa Club committee - I'm sure your willingness to consider new ideas would be welcome. I'm copying this message to present member of The Europa Club committee for information.



Now back to the garage ...



in friendship



Rowland



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Roland

Joined: 30 Nov 2009
Posts: 334
Location: EDLE

Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 4:42 am Post subject: Re: facebook or twitter

Plus it might probably also not be in our (and others) interest, to see a crashed Europa (like the one in LÃ¼beck) on FB. Only another argument against it. 



Regards

Roland

PH-ZTI

XS Trigear 914

budyerly(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 5:24 am Post subject: facebook or twitter

My two cents is, 

 Facebook is great for baby and cute dog pictures and very short comments. 

 

 

 I like to hear my fellow builder comments, advice, and experiences, not all their "friends".  From a sales point you need wide dissemination, however, we discuss pointed questions.

 

 

 I don't see an advantage.  

 

 

 Short answer:  It ain't broke, so don't fix it.

 

 

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  --> Europa-List message posted by: "Roland" <schmidtroland(at)web.de>

 

 Plus it might probably also not be in our (and others) interest, to see a crashed Europa (like the one in LÃƒÂ¼beck) on FB. Only another argument against it. 

 

 Regards

 Roland

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asarangan(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 5:30 am Post subject: facebook or twitter

What might make sense is for the Europa company to setup a facebook

page as an advertising effort.



Technical discussions can still continue on this forum.





On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Roland <schmidtroland(at)web.de> wrote:

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 Plus it might probably also not be in our (and others) interest, to see a crashed Europa (like the one in LÃ¼beck) on FB. Only another argument against it.



 Regards

 Roland

 PH-ZTI

 XS Trigear 914





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christoph.both(at)acadiau
Guest

Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 5:35 am Post subject: facebook or twitter

Bud,

 Again, you nailed it on the head!

 Christoph

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    My two cents is, 

 Facebook is great for baby and cute dog pictures and very short comments. 

 

 

 I like to hear my fellow builder comments, advice, and experiences, not all their "friends".  From a sales point you need wide dissemination, however, we discuss pointed questions.

 

 

 I don't see an advantage.  

 

 

 Short answer:  It ain't broke, so don't fix it.

 

 

 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

 

 

 

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 Plus it might probably also not be in our (and others) interest, to see a crashed Europa (like the one in LÃ1Ž4beck) on FB. Only another argument against it. 

 

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peterz(at)zutrasoft.com
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Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 5:46 am Post subject: facebook or twitter

....except there is nothing stopping anyone from posting whatever they would like onto it?

Cheers

Pete 





On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Andrew Sarangan <asarangan(at)gmail.com (asarangan(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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 What might make sense is for the Europa company to setup a facebook

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Richard Wheelwright

Joined: 15 Sep 2008
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Location: Halifax, West Yorkshire, UK

Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 6:39 am Post subject: facebook or twitter

They all ready have a face book page, the link is on there website 



Richard 



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g-fizy

Joined: 27 May 2012
Posts: 46
Location: uk

Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: facebook or twitter

hi all i had a email from europa today seems they do have a facebook and twitter page i have found both dont no much about twitter but below is the link to facebook ,so if you have some good pictures and comments feel free to post i posted a pic of a very nice europa i spotted at popham microlight show , would be good to see more nice pictures of europa aircraft ,, or i was here for a bacon roll comments 



thanks for all your replies jim



https://www.facebook.com/pages/Europa-Aircraft/239332732885301

Remi Guerner

Joined: 14 Dec 2010
Posts: 284

Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: facebook or twitter

Add me to the list of those who will not use facebook or twitter

Remi

Trevpond(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 1:49 am Post subject: facebook or twitter

Hi All

  

 I don't understand this obsession with Facebook, some people seem to need  to have the world know what they are doing with up to the minute entries, i.e."  I am sitting at departures at Gatwick, going to Barbados for two weeks"!   So what!

  

 Isn't the place for the Europa List, in my humble opinion.

  

 regards

  

  

 Trev

 G-LINN

  

  In a message dated 08/05/2014 14:24:32 GMT Summer Time, budyerly(at)msn.com  writes:

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		        My two cents is, 

   Facebook is great for baby and cute dog pictures and very short comments.    

   



   I like to hear my fellow builder comments, advice, and experiences, not    all their "friends".  From a sales point you need wide dissemination,    however, we discuss pointed questions.

   



   I don't see an advantage.  

   



   Short answer:  It ain't broke, so don't fix it.

   



   Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE    DROID



Roland <schmidtroland(at)web.de>    wrote:



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Plus it might probably also not be in our    (and others) interest, to see a crashed Europa (like the one in LÃ¼beck) on    FB. Only another argument against it.    



Regards

Roland

PH-ZTI

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alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk
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Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 3:02 am Post subject: facebook or twitter

Count me out as well. Not a twitter or Facebook fan either 



Happy with the list we have. 



Alan

G-OBJT



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pmorgans

Joined: 02 May 2014
Posts: 11
Location: West Wales

Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 4:16 am Post subject: Re: facebook or twitter

I agree with previously posted sentiments against Facebook and Titter - please count me out.



G-CFKZ

pmorgans

Joined: 02 May 2014
Posts: 11
Location: West Wales

Posted: Fri May 09, 2014 4:17 am Post subject: Re: facebook or twitter

I agree with previously posted sentiments against Facebook and Twitter - please count me out.



G-CFKZ

max8992

Joined: 28 Jul 2011
Posts: 142

Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 9:27 am Post subject: facebook or twitter

+ 1

Will NEVER have an account on both



Max  Cointe

mcointe(at)free.fr

F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear

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JonathanMilbank

Joined: 14 Apr 2012
Posts: 391
Location: Aberdeen area

Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 11:41 pm Post subject: Re: facebook or twitter

Count me out of both Facebook and Twitter. They lack "gravitas". Great for the chattering classes (US meaning thereof), but we're a cut above all that childish stuff.

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