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jim.gilliatt(at)att.net
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 7:22 am Post subject: Learning

Hi All,

I am installing a Bendix KX155 transceiver, a Bendix KT 76A transponder, 

a Dynon EFIS D100 and a PM500EX intercom in a Kitfox Series 7 with a 

Continental IO240.  Can anyone supply me with a wiring diagram for this 

configuration?  It has to be plain to a 6 year old;  I have all the 

installation manuals, and they are mostly Greek to the uninformed; I am 

floundering around like a beginner, which I am.  I may have bitten off 

more that I can chew, but I'll be a monkey's uncle if I'll it give up.

At least I'm learning a whole lot.

Thanks,

Jim Gilliatt

Rhode Island

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JOHN TIPTON

Joined: 17 Sep 2006
Posts: 239
Location: Torquay - England

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 7:34 am Post subject: Learning

Hi



I take it that 8.33 radios, and mode S transponders are not a (I presume your in) USA requirement for new fits



John



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		   On 13 Jul 2014, at 04:21 pm, Jim Gilliatt <jim.gilliatt(at)att.net> wrote:

 

 

 

 Hi All,

 I am installing a Bendix KX155 transceiver, a Bendix KT 76A transponder, a Dynon EFIS D100 and a PM500EX intercom in a Kitfox Series 7 with a Continental IO240.  Can anyone supply me with a wiring diagram for this configuration?  It has to be plain to a 6 year old;  I have all the installation manuals, and they are mostly Greek to the uninformed; I am floundering around like a beginner, which I am.  I may have bitten off more that I can chew, but I'll be a monkey's uncle if I'll it give up.

 At least I'm learning a whole lot.

 Thanks,

 Jim Gilliatt

 Rhode Island

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jim.gilliatt(at)att.net
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 7:47 am Post subject: Learning

Hi John,

Not to my knowledge, and I have talked to many people who are well aware 

of the requirements.

I hope I'm not showing my ignorance here.

Jim



On 7/13/2014 11:33 AM, John Tipton wrote:

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 Hi



 I take it that 8.33 radios, and mode S transponders are not a (I presume your in) USA requirement for new fits



 John



 Sent from my iPad



       ----x--O--x----



> On 13 Jul 2014, at 04:21 pm, Jim Gilliatt <jim.gilliatt(at)att.net> wrote:

>

> 

>

> Hi All,

> I am installing a Bendix KX155 transceiver, a Bendix KT 76A transponder, a Dynon EFIS D100 and a PM500EX intercom in a Kitfox Series 7 with a Continental IO240.  Can anyone supply me with a wiring diagram for this configuration?  It has to be plain to a 6 year old;  I have all the installation manuals, and they are mostly Greek to the uninformed; I am floundering around like a beginner, which I am.  I may have bitten off more that I can chew, but I'll be a monkey's uncle if I'll it give up.

> At least I'm learning a whole lot.

> Thanks,

> Jim Gilliatt

> Rhode Island

>

>

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JOHN TIPTON

Joined: 17 Sep 2006
Posts: 239
Location: Torquay - England

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:22 am Post subject: Learning

You are so lucky Jim: over here (UK/Europe) we have to fit to new builds 8.33 radios, and Mode S transponders, and all aircraft by the end of 2015 are to be so equipped - a lot of surplus equipment will be available !!!



John



Sent from my iPad



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 	  Quote: 	
		   On 13 Jul 2014, at 04:45 pm, Jim Gilliatt <jim.gilliatt(at)att.net> wrote:

 

 

 

 Hi John,

 Not to my knowledge, and I have talked to many people who are well aware of the requirements.

 I hope I'm not showing my ignorance here.

 Jim

 

> On 7/13/2014 11:33 AM, John Tipton wrote:

> 

> 

> Hi

> 

> I take it that 8.33 radios, and mode S transponders are not a (I presume your in) USA requirement for new fits

> 

> John

> 

> Sent from my iPad

> 

>      ----x--O--x----

> 

>> On 13 Jul 2014, at 04:21 pm, Jim Gilliatt <jim.gilliatt(at)att.net> wrote:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Hi All,

>> I am installing a Bendix KX155 transceiver, a Bendix KT 76A transponder, a Dynon EFIS D100 and a PM500EX intercom in a Kitfox Series 7 with a Continental IO240.  Can anyone supply me with a wiring diagram for this configuration?  It has to be plain to a 6 year old;  I have all the installation manuals, and they are mostly Greek to the uninformed; I am floundering around like a beginner, which I am.  I may have bitten off more that I can chew, but I'll be a monkey's uncle if I'll it give up.

>> At least I'm learning a whole lot.

>> Thanks,

>> Jim Gilliatt

>> Rhode Island

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tomhanaway

Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Posts: 111
Location: Murphy, NC

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 8:41 am Post subject: Learning

If you don't find what you want, contact SteinAir.com and tell them exactly what instruments you'll be installing.  They will provide a complete schematic showing where each wire connects to each pin.  Great company to do business with.

Worth it's weight in gold for those doing their own wiring.  Plus, it gives you and any future operator a reference chart for the future.



I made a copy of mine and marked off each wire as I installed them



Sent from my iPad



 	  Quote: 	
		   On Jul 13, 2014, at 12:21 PM, John Tipton <jmtipton(at)btopenworld.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 You are so lucky Jim: over here (UK/Europe) we have to fit to new builds 8.33 radios, and Mode S transponders, and all aircraft by the end of 2015 are to be so equipped - a lot of surplus equipment will be available !!!

 

 John

 

 Sent from my iPad

 

     ----x--O--x----

 

> On 13 Jul 2014, at 04:45 pm, Jim Gilliatt <jim.gilliatt(at)att.net> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> Hi John,

> Not to my knowledge, and I have talked to many people who are well aware of the requirements.

> I hope I'm not showing my ignorance here.

> Jim

> 

>> On 7/13/2014 11:33 AM, John Tipton wrote:

>> 

>> 

>> Hi

>> 

>> I take it that 8.33 radios, and mode S transponders are not a (I presume your in) USA requirement for new fits

>> 

>> John

>> 

>> Sent from my iPad

>> 

>>     ----x--O--x----

>> 

>>> On 13 Jul 2014, at 04:21 pm, Jim Gilliatt <jim.gilliatt(at)att.net> wrote:

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Hi All,

>>> I am installing a Bendix KX155 transceiver, a Bendix KT 76A transponder, a Dynon EFIS D100 and a PM500EX intercom in a Kitfox Series 7 with a Continental IO240.  Can anyone supply me with a wiring diagram for this configuration?  It has to be plain to a 6 year old;  I have all the installation manuals, and they are mostly Greek to the uninformed; I am floundering around like a beginner, which I am.  I may have bitten off more that I can chew, but I'll be a monkey's uncle if I'll it give up.

>>> At least I'm learning a whole lot.

>>> Thanks,

>>> Jim Gilliatt

>>> Rhode Island

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peter(at)sportingaero.com
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:39 pm Post subject: Learning

Jim,



To connect your equipment just take it one step at a time. Draw wiring 

diagrams to figure out what needs to go where and then talk to your 

local technical counsellor to understand how it all wires together. 

Reading Bob's book (the Aeroelectric Connection) is also one of the best 

ways to better understand the 'Greek'.



Start radios, leave the Dynon till later, and begin with the power and 

grounds. Figure out the current draw and the size of the fuses. Ask 

yourself the following questions, and keep asking until you have figured 

out what is required to provide all the functions you plan to use. 

Identify the pin number on the connector of the source device and where 

that signal will go to on the receiving box (connector and pin number).

How will you provide the altitude information to the KT76A? Do you have 

an encoder or do you plan to use the Dynon?

Do you plan to use the VOR in the KX155?

Besides the KX155 what audio inputs do you plan to the intercom?

What are you doing for a GPS? Does the EFIS need a GPS input?



We were all a beginner at one point, this stuff is not intuitive to 

most, you haven't bitten off more than you can chew - just take it one 

bite at a time. There are enough folks here who understand 'Greek' to 

help you figure it all out.



Peter

On 13/07/2014 16:21, Jim Gilliatt wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <jim.gilliatt(at)att.net>



 Hi All,

 I am installing a Bendix KX155 transceiver, a Bendix KT 76A 

 transponder, a Dynon EFIS D100 and a PM500EX intercom in a Kitfox 

 Series 7 with a Continental IO240.  Can anyone supply me with a wiring 

 diagram for this configuration?  It has to be plain to a 6 year old;  

 I have all the installation manuals, and they are mostly Greek to the 

 uninformed; I am floundering around like a beginner, which I am.  I 

 may have bitten off more that I can chew, but I'll be a monkey's uncle 

 if I'll it give up.

 At least I'm learning a whole lot.

 Thanks,

 Jim Gilliatt

 Rhode Island

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tim2542(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:35 pm Post subject: Learning

IMO the audio panel to NAV/ comm harness is where you'll most likely have trouble, but it's easy to make once you have the info you need. PSE once had a .ppt on their website depicting how to build that harness. I notice they took it down and I know they won't warrant their panels unless a harness is purchased from a dealer. I have a copy of that ppt if needed. 

Bob's cartoons showing how to treat the shields and daisy chain them is good info for you, and you need to understand shields are not used for anything but shields, so no audio on them and they ground at one end only to prevent ground loops.  The other thing you'll run into is differing terminology between the various brands, especially "audio low" . 

The Dynon is pretty much self contained with no remote magnetometers or AHRS units, so that simplifies things also. You'll have to plow through each install manual several times and make some inquiries when you can't figure it out, but it's all there.

I have my schematic for a 5000EX to Garmin stack, if you would like a copy it may get you started in designing yours. Or maybe someone has the same equipment as you and can supply a drawing.  

One tip on the audio harness, since all the shields terminate at the audio panel, you'll have to terminate those to wire and then D-sub pins per Bob's pics or the .ppt. There may be too many to get them into the connector shells so you may want to make those terminations a bit longer so all the splices can be just outside the shell.

Pm if interested in the drawings or ppt.

Tim

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		   On Jul 13, 2014, at 2:36 PM, Peter Pengilly <peter(at)sportingaero.com> wrote:

 Jim,

 To connect your equipment just take it one step at a time. Draw wiring diagrams to figure out what needs to go where and then talk to your local technical counsellor to understand how it all wires together. Reading Bob's book (the Aeroelectric Connection) is also one of the best ways to better understand the 'Greek'.

 Start radios, leave the Dynon till later, and begin with the power and grounds. Figure out the current draw and the size of the fuses. Ask yourself the following questions, and keep asking until you have figured out what is required to provide all the functions you plan to use. Identify the pin number on the connector of the source device and where that signal will go to on the receiving box (connector and pin number).

 How will you provide the altitude information to the KT76A? Do you have an encoder or do you plan to use the Dynon?

 Do you plan to use the VOR in the KX155?

 Besides the KX155 what audio inputs do you plan to the intercom?

 What are you doing for a GPS? Does the EFIS need a GPS input?

 We were all a beginner at one point, this stuff is not intuitive to most, you haven't bitten off more than you can chew - just take it one bite at a time. There are enough folks here who understand 'Greek' to help you figure it all out.

 Peter

> On 13/07/2014 16:21, Jim Gilliatt wrote:

> 

> 

> Hi All,

> I am installing a Bendix KX155 transceiver, a Bendix KT 76A transponder, a Dynon EFIS D100 and a PM500EX intercom in a Kitfox Series 7 with a Continental IO240.  Can anyone supply me with a wiring diagram for this configuration?  It has to be plain to a 6 year old;  I have all the installation manuals, and they are mostly Greek to the uninformed; I am floundering around like a beginner, which I am.  I may have bitten off more that I can chew, but I'll be a monkey's uncle if I'll it give up.

> At least I'm learning a whole lot.

> Thanks,

> Jim Gilliatt

> Rhode Island

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tomhanaway

Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Posts: 111
Location: Murphy, NC

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:20 am Post subject: Learning

If you don't find what you want, contact SteinAir and tell them exactly what instruments you'll be installing.  They will provide a complete schematic showing where each wire connects to each pin.  Great company to do business with.

Worth it's weight in gold for those doing their own wiring.  Plus, it gives you and any future operator a reference chart for the future.



I made a copy of mine and marked off each wire as I installed them



Sent from my iPad



 	  Quote: 	
		   On Jul 13, 2014, at 12:21 PM, John Tipton <jmtipton(at)btopenworld.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 You are so lucky Jim: over here (UK/Europe) we have to fit to new builds 8.33 radios, and Mode S transponders, and all aircraft by the end of 2015 are to be so equipped - a lot of surplus equipment will be available !!!

 

 John

 

 Sent from my iPad

 

    ----x--O--x----

 

> On 13 Jul 2014, at 04:45 pm, Jim Gilliatt <jim.gilliatt(at)att.net> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> Hi John,

> Not to my knowledge, and I have talked to many people who are well aware of the requirements.

> I hope I'm not showing my ignorance here.

> Jim

> 

>> On 7/13/2014 11:33 AM, John Tipton wrote:

>> 

>> 

>> Hi

>> 

>> I take it that 8.33 radios, and mode S transponders are not a (I presume your in) USA requirement for new fits

>> 

>> John

>> 

>> Sent from my iPad

>> 

>>    ----x--O--x----

>> 

>>> On 13 Jul 2014, at 04:21 pm, Jim Gilliatt <jim.gilliatt(at)att.net> wrote:

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Hi All,

>>> I am installing a Bendix KX155 transceiver, a Bendix KT 76A transponder, a Dynon EFIS D100 and a PM500EX intercom in a Kitfox Series 7 with a Continental IO240.  Can anyone supply me with a wiring diagram for this configuration?  It has to be plain to a 6 year old;  I have all the installation manuals, and they are mostly Greek to the uninformed; I am floundering around like a beginner, which I am.  I may have bitten off more that I can chew, but I'll be a monkey's uncle if I'll it give up.

>>> At least I'm learning a whole lot.

>>> Thanks,

>>> Jim Gilliatt

>>> Rhode Island

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