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Kelvin Weston

Joined: 14 Apr 2010
Posts: 90
Location: Hampshire, UK

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:51 am Post subject: Ultimate Ventilator

Hi all



Have just purchased a couple of ultimate ventilators to fit under the windscreen either side of the fuselage just forward of the doors.

I saw them fitted to a Europa at Sywell and thought they were a good solution to the ventilation problem.

My question to those that are flying and already have them fitted is:

Do you have any problem with water ingress when it rains?

I notice that there is no rubber seal or anything fitted and there is quite a gap between the centre flap and the circular frame when it is closed.

In fact, I am a bit disappointed with them as they have no positive closure device and can be pushed open from outside when fitted.

I can imagine a lot of rain entering the fuselage when the aircraft is stored outside.

Hope I am wrong because they were bloody expensive.

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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:23 pm Post subject: Ultimate Ventilator

I've hade no water enter though them. Once you paint them the gap gets smaller. They work quite well for me. 

Kevin



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		   On Sep 26, 2014, at 12:51 PM, "Kelvin Weston" <kelv(at)kdweston.biz> wrote:

 

 

 

 Hi all

 

 Have just purchased a couple of ultimate ventilators to fit under the windscreen either side of the fuselage just forward of the doors.

 I saw them fitted to a Europa at Sywell and thought they were a good solution to the ventilation problem.

 My question to those that are flying and already have them fitted is:

 Do you have any problem with water ingress when it rains?

 I notice that there is no rubber seal or anything fitted and there is quite a gap between the centre flap and the circular frame when it is closed.

 In fact, I am a bit disappointed with them as they have no positive closure device and can be pushed open from outside when fitted.

 I can imagine a lot of rain entering the fuselage when the aircraft is stored outside.

 Hope I am wrong because they were bloody expensive.

 

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 Regards

 

 Kelv Weston

 Kit 497

 kelv(at)kdweston.biz

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

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Fred Klein

Joined: 26 Mar 2012
Posts: 503

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:45 pm Post subject: Ultimate Ventilator

sure doesn’t sound like a value at $125 each (as I recall when I considered buying a couple)…do not archive



On Sep 26, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Kelvin Weston <kelv(at)kdweston.biz> wrote:



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 Hi all

 

 Have just purchased a couple of ultimate ventilators to fit under the windscreen either side of the fuselage just forward of the doors.

 I saw them fitted to a Europa at Sywell and thought they were a good solution to the ventilation problem.

 My question to those that are flying and already have them fitted is:

 Do you have any problem with water ingress when it rains?

 I notice that there is no rubber seal or anything fitted and there is quite a gap between the centre flap and the circular frame when it is closed.

 In fact, I am a bit disappointed with them as they have no positive closure device and can be pushed open from outside when fitted.

 I can imagine a lot of rain entering the fuselage when the aircraft is stored outside.

 Hope I am wrong because they were bloody expensive.

 

 --------

 Regards

 

 Kelv Weston

 Kit 497

 kelv(at)kdweston.biz

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431150#431150

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dpark748(at)icloud.com
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:11 pm Post subject: Ultimate Ventilator

I have something like you describe in my Europa G-LDVO and find them a simple and effective solution. Have flown through some rain and no problem.

When parked outside the pic shows the cover over the vent in front of the door.



Regards Dave Park (PS. Pic shows me stuck in Rochester on way to Texel with fog)



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		   On 26 Sep 2014, at 21:44, Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 sure doesnâ€™t sound like a value at $125 each (as I recall when I considered buying a couple)â€¦do not archive

 

> On Sep 26, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Kelvin Weston <kelv(at)kdweston.biz> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> Hi all

> 

> Have just purchased a couple of ultimate ventilators to fit under the windscreen either side of the fuselage just forward of the doors.

> I saw them fitted to a Europa at Sywell and thought they were a good solution to the ventilation problem.

> My question to those that are flying and already have them fitted is:

> Do you have any problem with water ingress when it rains?

> I notice that there is no rubber seal or anything fitted and there is quite a gap between the centre flap and the circular frame when it is closed.

> In fact, I am a bit disappointed with them as they have no positive closure device and can be pushed open from outside when fitted.

> I can imagine a lot of rain entering the fuselage when the aircraft is stored outside.

> Hope I am wrong because they were bloody expensive.

> 

> --------

> Regards

> 

> Kelv Weston

> Kit 497

> kelv(at)kdweston.biz

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Read this topic online here:

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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431150#431150

 

 

 

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pmorgans

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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:52 pm Post subject: Ultimate Ventilator

Hi Kelv,

Was it mine - G-CFKZ? There is a small circumferential gap, metal to metal, of about 0.010". These units provide superb controllable ventilation compared to the original units. Have not noticed any problems with rain ingress or water after washing. In flight, with vents closed, there is a slight draft through the gap.

Regards

Peter  Morgans

        From: Kelvin Weston <kelv(at)kdweston.biz>

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 Subject: Ultimate Ventilator

  

 

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Hi all



Have just purchased a couple of ultimate ventilators to fit under the windscreen either side of the fuselage just forward  of the doors.

I saw them fitted to a Europa at Sywell and thought they were a good solution to the ventilation problem.

My question to those that are flying and already have them fitted is:

Do you have any problem with water ingress when it rains?

I notice that there is no rubber seal or anything fitted and there is quite a gap between the centre flap and the circular frame when it is closed.

In fact, I am a bit disappointed with them as they have no positive closure device and can be pushed open from outside when fitted.

I can imagine a lot of rain entering the fuselage when the aircraft is stored outside.

Hope I am wrong because they were bloody expensive.



--------

Regards



Kelv Weston

Kit 497

kelv(at)kdweston.biz (kelv(at)kdweston.biz)





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Jim Kelly

Joined: 25 Jan 2014
Posts: 70
Location: England

Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:08 pm Post subject: Ultimate Ventilator

Hi Kelv, do you have a close up pic or a drawing ?G-BWEG Jim



On Saturday, September 27, 2014, PETER MORGANS <petermorgans181(at)btinternet.com (petermorgans181(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:

[quote]Hi Kelv,

Was it mine - G-CFKZ? There is a small circumferential gap, metal to metal, of about 0.010". These units provide superb controllable ventilation compared to the original units. Have not noticed any problems with rain ingress or water after washing. In flight, with vents closed, there is a slight draft through the gap.

Regards

Peter  Morgans

        From: Kelvin Weston <[url=javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kelv(at)kdweston.biz');]kelv(at)kdweston.biz[/url]>

 To: [url=javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','europa-list(at)matronics.com');]europa-list(at)matronics.com[/url] 

 Sent: Friday, 26 September 2014, 20:51

 Subject: Ultimate Ventilator

  

 

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kelvin Weston" <[url=javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kelv(at)kdweston.biz');]kelv(at)kdweston.biz[/url]>



Hi all



Have just purchased a couple of ultimate ventilators to fit under the windscreen either side of the fuselage just forward  of the doors.

I saw them fitted to a Europa at Sywell and thought they were a good solution to the ventilation problem.

My question to those that are flying and already have them fitted is:

Do you have any problem with water ingress when it rains?

I notice that there is no rubber seal or anything fitted and there is quite a gap between the centre flap and the circular frame when it is closed.

In fact, I am a bit disappointed with them as they have no positive closure device and can be pushed open from outside when fitted.

I can imagine a lot of rain entering the fuselage when the aircraft is stored outside.

Hope I am wrong because they were bloody expensive.



--------

Regards



Kelv Weston

Kit 497

[url=javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kelv(at)kdweston.biz');]kelv(at)kdweston.biz[/url]





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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:56 am Post subject: Ultimate Ventilator

Jim,



See — http://europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=63921 for pictures of an ultimate ventilator.

I installed them in my Europa.  They work great at providing plenty of ventilation.  Maybe leak a tiny bit when closed but not enough to worry about.  Have never flown in precipitation so I can’t speak to leaking.

Blue skies & tailwinds,Bob BorgerEuropa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop (75 hrs).Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP3705 Lynchburg Dr.Corinth, TX  76208-5331Cel: 817-992-1117rlborger(at)mac.com (rlborger(at)mac.com)

On Sep 27, 2014, at 12:27 PM, James Kelly <europajimkelly(at)gmail.com (europajimkelly(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]Hi Kelv, do you have a close up pic or a drawing ?G-BWEG Jim



On Saturday, September 27, 2014, PETER MORGANS <petermorgans181(at)btinternet.com (petermorgans181(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Hi Kelv,

Was it mine - G-CFKZ? There is a small circumferential gap, metal to metal, of about 0.010". These units provide superb controllable ventilation compared to the original units. Have not noticed any problems with rain ingress or water after washing. In flight, with vents closed, there is a slight draft through the gap.

Regards

Peter  Morgans

        From: Kelvin Weston <[url=javascript:_e(%7B%7D,\'cvml\',\'kelv(at)kdweston.biz\');]kelv(at)kdweston.biz[/url]>

 To: [url=javascript:_e(%7B%7D,\'cvml\',\'europa-list(at)matronics.com\');]europa-list(at)matronics.com[/url] 

 Sent: Friday, 26 September 2014, 20:51

 Subject: Ultimate Ventilator

  

 

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Kelvin Weston" <[url=javascript:_e(%7B%7D,\'cvml\',\'kelv(at)kdweston.biz\');]kelv(at)kdweston.biz[/url]>



Hi all



Have just purchased a couple of ultimate ventilators to fit under the windscreen either side of the fuselage just forward  of the doors.

I saw them fitted to a Europa at Sywell and thought they were a good solution to the ventilation problem.

My question to those that are flying and already have them fitted is:

Do you have any problem with water ingress when it rains?

I notice that there is no rubber seal or anything fitted and there is quite a gap between the centre flap and the circular frame when it is closed.

In fact, I am a bit disappointed with them as they have no positive closure device and can be pushed open from outside when fitted.

I can imagine a lot of rain entering the fuselage when the aircraft is stored outside.

Hope I am wrong because they were bloody expensive.



--------

Regards



Kelv Weston

Kit 497

[url=javascript:_e(%7B%7D,\'cvml\',\'kelv(at)kdweston.biz\');]kelv(at)kdweston.biz[/url]





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Kelvin Weston

Joined: 14 Apr 2010
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Location: Hampshire, UK

Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:47 am Post subject: Re: Ultimate Ventilator

Hi Jim

The gap is very small. Hopefully, when painted it should be almost a touch fit when closed.

Pictures attached.

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