Matronics Email Lists :: View topic

Matronics Email Lists
Web Forum Interface to the Matronics Email Lists

Get Email Distribution Too! FAQ Search Memberlist Usergroups Register

Profile Log in to check your private messages Log in

XS Tri Gear Wanted

Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> Europa-List

View previous topic :: View next topic

Author Message

willydewey

Joined: 24 Sep 2014
Posts: 53
Location: Guildford Surrey United Kingdom

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:43 am Post subject: XS Tri Gear Wanted

Having lost my Alpi Pioneer 300 I am looking for  a 400 hr or thereabouts, Tri gear XS Europa.

All ADs up to date. U.K. Built. Rotax ULS . No damage recorded.

No silly prices please. Please email me asking price, empty weight, photos etc.

willydewey(at)gmail.com



Sent from my iPad

William (Bill) Dewey

_________________
Give a wise man knowledge and he will be yet wiser

Fred Klein

Joined: 26 Mar 2012
Posts: 503

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:04 am Post subject: XS Tri Gear Wanted

On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:36 AM, William Dewey <willydewey(at)gmail.com (willydewey(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  No silly prices please. 	




…I’m astonished that someone would introduce themselves to this forum with such a remark…

do not archive



 [quote][b]

peterz(at)zutrasoft.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:38 am Post subject: XS Tri Gear Wanted

definitely sets the tone for negotiation:Â  "only desperate sellers please" is how I read it. Â Â  Pity......Â  Good thing I have no plans to sell my parts....



Cheers,

Pete

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com (fklein(at)orcasonline.com)> wrote:

[quote]

On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:36 AM, William Dewey <willydewey(at)gmail.com (willydewey(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  No silly prices please. 	




â€¦Iâ€™m astonished that someone would introduce themselves to this forum with such a remarkâ€¦

do not archive



  	  Quote: 	
		  



arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List

tp://forums.matronics.com

_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution



	


[b]

danny shepherd

Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Posts: 117
Location: north Wales, United Kingdom

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:39 am Post subject: XS Tri Gear Wanted

On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:36 AM, William Dewey <willydewey(at)gmail.com (willydewey(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  No silly prices please. 	




â€¦Iâ€™m astonished that someone would introduce themselves to this forum with such a remarkâ€¦

do not archive



 [quote][b]

willydewey

Joined: 24 Sep 2014
Posts: 53
Location: Guildford Surrey United Kingdom

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:55 am Post subject: Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted

Just to clarify matter to those who replied but have nothing to offer, I am looking for a good well constructed aircraft for sale at the proper price. I don't want a cheap poorly built/ maintained aircraft that has been languishing outside or neglected for years at the back of a hangar.

I hope that clears up matters!!!!

_________________
Give a wise man knowledge and he will be yet wiser

peterz(at)zutrasoft.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:28 am Post subject: XS Tri Gear Wanted

ouch

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 10:55 AM, willydewey <willydewey(at)gmail.com (willydewey(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]--> Europa-List message posted by: "willydewey" <willydewey(at)gmail.com (willydewey(at)gmail.com)>

 

 Just to clarify matter to those who replied but have nothing to offer, I am looking for a good well constructed aircraft for sale at the proper price. I don't want a cheap poorly built/ maintained aircraft that has been languishing outside or neglected for years at the back of a hangar.

 I hope that clears up matters!!!!

 

 --------

 Give a wise man knowledge and he will be yet wiser

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431243#431243

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 ===========

 pa-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List

 ===========

  FORUMS -

 _blank">http://forums.matronics.com

 ===========

 b Site -

 Â  Â  Â  Â  Â  -Matt Dralle, List Admin.

 target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution

 ===========

 

 

 

 [b]

pjeffers(at)talktalk.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:35 am Post subject: XS Tri Gear Wanted

I am very disappointed to read the negative comments directed at a potential Europa buyer who thought that he was joining a 'friendly group of like-minded flyers'. At no point did he express the desire for a cheap aircraft, rather the contrary, he wanted a well-built, well maintained plane. I am not able officially to write on the forum, although I own half a Europa and, indeed fly the whole plane, but ,I feel very strongly that we should all be more welcoming to flyers expressing interest in joining our community. I have to send this under my husband's name, but he is in agreement with my comments. 

Sue Jeffers

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of danny shepherd

Sent: 29 September 2014 15:33

To: Matronics

Subject: Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted

Well said Fred. If he wants a cheap aircraft look else where

Danny G-ceri

Fred Klein wrote:

On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:36 AM, William Dewey <willydewey(at)gmail.com (willydewey(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

No silly prices please.

â€¦Iâ€™m astonished that someone would introduce themselves to this forum with such a remarkâ€¦

do not archive

  	  Quote: 	
		    http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List 	
0 	  Quote: 	

1 	  Quote: 	

2 	  Quote: 	

3 	  Quote: 	

4 	  Quote: 	

5 	  Quote: 	

6 	  Quote: 	

7

~,gÓ“

  [quote][b]

peterz(at)zutrasoft.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:59 am Post subject: XS Tri Gear Wanted

The the downfall of tweet-size internet postings (of any type) is the

complete loss of any conversational/tonal context. So interpretation is

very difficult.  "silly prices"  does carry an inferred tone.  Not sure the

European market situation, but here in N.A. the Europa existing plane

prices (both kits and flying)  have been devalued to *incredibly*

undervalued prices sadly. Silly prices indeed.  Supply and demand in action

Jeff(at)rmmm.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:07 am Post subject: XS Tri Gear Wanted

To all Europa brothers & Sisters!!Everyone has a different way of expressing themselves in word choices. We all must remember emails do not transmit voice intonations. Therefore one must give way to an honest none insulting intent. I sometimes marvel at how much this list is used to argue over who is right and wrong and make sure our point of view is heard as being gospel. This list is to give help to builders and to buy and sell our delightful aircraft not to feed anyones intelligence ego. If your post is anything else other than help to those that need it then perhaps it's best to hold the thought. 

Stay Positive 



Jeff R. Still loving... N128LJ Gold Rush 

 



 

On Sep 29, 2014, at 2:33 PM, Peter Jeffers wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  I am very disappointed to read the negative comments directed at a potential Europa buyer who thought that he was joining a 'friendly group of like-minded flyers'. At no point did he express the desire for a cheap aircraft, rather the contrary, he wanted a well-built, well maintained plane. I am not able officially to write on the forum, although I own half a Europa and, indeed fly the whole plane, but ,I feel very strongly that we should all be more welcoming to flyers expressing interest in joining our community. I have to send this under my husband's name, but he is in agreement with my comments.

Sue Jeffers

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of danny shepherd

Sent: 29 September 2014 15:33

To: Matronics

Subject: Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted



 



Well said Fred. If he wants a cheap aircraft look else where

Danny G-ceri



Fred Klein wrote:

 

On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:36 AM, William Dewey <willydewey(at)gmail.com (willydewey(at)gmail.com)> wrote:





No silly prices please.

 



â€¦Iâ€™m astonished that someone would introduce themselves to this forum with such a remarkâ€¦



 



do not archive



 

 	  Quote: 	
		    http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List 	
0 	  Quote: 	
		   	
1 	  Quote: 	
		   	
2 	  Quote: 	
		   	
3 	  Quote: 	
		   	
4 	  Quote: 	
		   	
5 	  Quote: 	
		   	
6 	  Quote: 	
		   	
7~,

gÓ“



 	  Quote: 	
		   	
8

ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:26 am Post subject: XS Tri Gear Wanted

I too will second that statement Sue, well said ..... I can write on the forum and always intend to help prospective buyers in preparation of their expectancies for what they get and also what they can expect having bought it even when it is well maintained they need to be very much aware of itâ€™s limitations.

Regards

Bob Harrison G-PTAGÂ  .

 

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Jeffers

Sent: 29 September 2014 19:33

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: XS Tri Gear Wanted

 

I am very disappointed to read the negative comments directed at a potential Europa buyer who thought that he was joining a 'friendly group of like-minded flyers'. At no point did he express the desire for a cheap aircraft, rather the contrary, he wanted a well-built, well maintained plane. I am not able officially to write on the forum, although I own half a Europa and, indeed fly the whole plane, but ,I feel very strongly that we should all be more welcoming to flyers expressing interest in joining our community. I have to send this under my husband's name, but he is in agreement with my comments. 

Sue Jeffers

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of danny shepherd

Sent: 29 September 2014 15:33

To: Matronics

Subject: Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted



 

Well said Fred. If he wants a cheap aircraft look else where

Danny G-ceri

Fred Klein wrote:

 

On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:36 AM, William Dewey <willydewey(at)gmail.com (willydewey(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



 

No silly prices please.

 



â€¦Iâ€™m astonished that someone would introduce themselves to this forum with such a remarkâ€¦



 



do not archive



  	  Quote: 	
		     http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution  	


~,



gÓ“ 	  Quote: 	
		   	
0 	  Quote: 	
		   	
1 	  Quote: 	
		   	
2 	  Quote: 	
		   	
3 	  Quote: 	
		   	
4 	  Quote: 	
		   	
5 	  Quote: 	
		   	
6 	  Quote: 	
		   	
7 	  Quote: 	
		   	
8 	  Quote: 	
		   	
9 	  Quote: 	
		    	
0 	  Quote: 	
		    	
1 	  Quote: 	
		    	
2 	  Quote: 	
		    	
3 	  Quote: 	
		    	
4 	  Quote: 	
		    	
5 	  Quote: 	
		    	
6 	  Quote: 	
		    	
7

  [quote][b]

willydewey

Joined: 24 Sep 2014
Posts: 53
Location: Guildford Surrey United Kingdom

Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted

I am sorry that my advert has caused a few folk to reply in a hostile manner.Far be it my intention to cause dissension in the group.

There was a Europa XS for sale on AFORS where the asking price was Â£32500 and I expect it might have been sold for Â£30.000 the registration was I think

G.BWJH. Although I missed this sale and therefor never saw or inspected the aircraft, this is the price I am looking at. So please do not take offence.

Bill Dewey

_________________
Give a wise man knowledge and he will be yet wiser

rowlandcarson(at)gmail.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:27 am Post subject: XS Tri Gear Wanted

On 29 Sep 2014, at 14:36, William Dewey <willydewey(at)gmail.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Having lost my Alpi Pioneer 300 I am looking for  a 400 hr or thereabouts, Tri gear XS Europa.

 All ADs up to date. U.K. Built. Rotax ULS . No damage recorded.

 No silly prices please. Please email me asking price, empty weight, photos etc.


	


Bill - welcome to the Europa community! I’m astonished by the comments that your posting has occasioned, but I alway try to understand that people have different world views, and I usually excuse our friends from other countries whose native language is not British English and thus may have misunderstood your phrase “silly prices”. I thought it was a perfectly reasonable qualifier - I wouldn’t want to waste time looking at a Europa offered at (say) £50k either!



I hope you find a machine to suit you and that you discover the friendly core of the Europa community, even if the exterior seems a bit abrasive to start with!



in friendship



Rowland



| Rowland Carson          ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...

| <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com>            http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk

| Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson      Facebook: Rowland Carson

| pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson

willydewey

Joined: 24 Sep 2014
Posts: 53
Location: Guildford Surrey United Kingdom

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:52 am Post subject: Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted

Those are very kind comments Rowland.....thank you.

Many have phoned/emailed me off forum expressing similar views and I thank them also.

I have been put in touch with a couple of vendors and expect to start my search in earnest this weekend. You probably gather that I am not new to light aircraft having flown in the R.A.F. and more recently in a private capacity.

Best regards

Bill

_________________
Give a wise man knowledge and he will be yet wiser

grahamsingleton(at)btinte
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:21 am Post subject: XS Tri Gear Wanted

The mind is like a parachute, if it isn't open it's no use!

Graham 

        From: willydewey <willydewey(at)gmail.com>

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com 

 Sent: Tuesday, 30 September 2014, 12:52

 Subject: Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted

--> Europa-List message  posted by: "willydewey" <willydewey(at)gmail.com (willydewey(at)gmail.com)>

Those are very kind comments Rowland.....thank you.

Many have phoned/emailed me off forum expressing similar views and I thank them also.

I have been put in touch with a couple of vendors and expect to start my search in earnest this weekend. You probably gather that I am not new to light aircraft having flown in the R.A.F. and more recently in a private capacity.

Best regards

Bill

--------

Give a wise man knowledge and he will be yet wiser

Read this topic online here:

http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431272#431272

         - The Europa-List Email cs.com/Navigator?Europa-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Na=               - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS=                               -Matt Drallontribution" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution

Fred Klein

Joined: 26 Mar 2012
Posts: 503

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:20 am Post subject: XS Tri Gear Wanted

On Sep 30, 2014, at 2:27 AM, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com (rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Bill - welcome to the Europa community! I’m astonished by the comments that your posting has occasioned, but I alway try to understand that people have different world views, and I usually excuse our friends from other countries whose native language is not British English and thus may have misunderstood your phrase “silly prices”. 	




There’s an old quote about the US & the UK being “two nations divided by a common language”…and as the person who started this unfortunate thread, let me say that I truly regret having expressed “astonishment” at the use of the term, “silly prices” with respect to the Europa which struck me as simply odd and perhaps disrespectful to those who may claim value for their high levels of craftsmanship and attention to detail. For this erroneous speculation, I wish to express my profound apologies.

I too…from afar...welcome you, Bill Dewey, to the Europa community…sorry to hear of the loss of your Alpi Pioneer 300…I trust you will find a Europa which will match your needs and expectations.

Best,

Fred

 [quote][b]

Trevpond(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:49 am Post subject: XS Tri Gear Wanted

Roland,

  

 You do realise what it costs to build a Europa from scratch, eg Â£70-80K at  todays prices!  You can't expect people to give them away.

  

 regards

  

  

  

 Trevor

 G-LINN

  

  In a message dated 30/09/2014 10:27:30 GMT Daylight Time,  rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  -->    Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson    <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com>



On 29 Sep 2014, at 14:36, William Dewey    <willydewey(at)gmail.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Having lost my Alpi Pioneer    300 I am looking for  a 400 hr or thereabouts, Tri gear XS    Europa.

 All ADs up to date. U.K. Built. Rotax ULS . No damage    recorded.

 No silly prices please. Please email me asking price, empty    weight, photos etc.


	


Bill - welcome to the Europa community! Iâ€™m    astonished by the comments that your posting has occasioned, but I alway try    to understand that people have different world views, and I usually excuse our    friends from other countries whose native language is not British English and    thus may have misunderstood your phrase â€œsilly pricesâ€. I thought it was a    perfectly reasonable qualifier - I wouldnâ€™t want to waste time looking at a    Europa offered at (say) Â£50k either!



I hope you find a machine to suit    you and that you discover the friendly core of the Europa community, even if    the exterior seems a bit abrasive to start with!



in    friendship



Rowland



| Rowland Carson             ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...

|    <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com>               http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk

| Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson         Facebook: Rowland Carson

| pictures:    http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson



_-============================================================

_-=             - The Europa-List Email Forum -

_-= Use the    Matronics List Features Navigator to browse

_-= the many List utilities    such as List Un/Subscription,

_-= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day    Browse, Chat, FAQ,

_-= Photoshare, and much much    more:

_-=

_-=   -->    http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List

_-=

_-============================================================

_-=                  - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS    -

_-= Same great content also available via the Web    Forums!

_-=

_-=   -->    http://forums.matronics.com

_-=

_-============================================================

_-=                - List Contribution Web Site    -

_-=  Thank you for your generous support!

_-=                                    -Matt Dralle, List Admin.

_-=   -->    http://www.matronics.com/contribution

_-============================================================

willydewey

Joined: 24 Sep 2014
Posts: 53
Location: Guildford Surrey United Kingdom

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted

Thanks Fred Klein and others who have clarified their position. I do not hold any hard feelings over these comments, but as one national to another I adopt in matters like this an old English saying

LEAST SAID SOONEST HEALED

Otherwise as can be seen things can get out of hand.

Apologies from me to those who have been offended.

Best regards

Bill Dewey

_________________
Give a wise man knowledge and he will be yet wiser

grahamsingleton(at)btinte
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:56 pm Post subject: XS Tri Gear Wanted

A wise diplomat Bill!

Graham

        From: willydewey <willydewey(at)gmail.com>

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com 

 Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2014, 21:30

 Subject: Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted

--> Europa-List message posted by: "willydewey" <willydewey(at)gmail.com (willydewey(at)gmail.com)>

Thanks Fred Klein and others who have clarified their position. I do not hold any hard feelings over these comments, but as one national to another I adopt in matters like this an old English saying

LEAST SAID SOONEST HEALED

Otherwise as can be seen things can get out of hand.

Apologies from me to those who have been offended.

Best regards

Bill Dewey

--------

Give a wise man knowledge and he will be yet wiser

Read this topic online here:

http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431362#431362

http://forums.matronp;                     &n -->

michaelrorth

Joined: 04 Feb 2011
Posts: 65

Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:55 pm Post subject: XS Tri Gear Wanted

Bill Dewey,

  

 You are a true gentleman.

  

 Michael

     

 [quote]   ---

Paul M 383

Joined: 19 Mar 2012
Posts: 97
Location: United Kingdom

Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 2:01 am Post subject: Re: XS Tri Gear Wanted

Hello Bill,



Don't know if you get the UKGA email, but the latest one has this ad:



Europa Tri Gear G-DEBR For Sale 

 

G-DEBR (kit no.232) has 210 hrs.A/F & Eng. Permit to May 2015. Engine Rotax 100 hp. 912S. Prop Warp Drive ground adjustable.

All...



http://ukga.com/classified/view?contentId=34256



HTH,



Paul M



383 XS Mono 912S

Display posts from previous:

	Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> Europa-List	All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

Jump to:

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum