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michaelrorth

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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:51 am Post subject: Advice Needed

I have an M-462RF (very similar to an M-14) which will eventually be installed in a Murphy Moose.



The time has come to have an engine mounting assembly fabricated using the mounting ring that came with the engine.



How is the best way to remove the existing ring from the engine so that I can send it out for fabricating the entire mounting assembly?



Looks to me like I need to remove at least one of the magnetos, the compressor, fuel pump, generator, and carburetor.



How is the best way to ensure that these parts can be reinstalled with the proper alignments and timing?



Thanks,

Michael

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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:06 am Post subject: Advice Needed

Michael,I have installed a M462RF in my CJ6 and may be able to help.  Call me.

Doug Sapp 509-826-4610

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 8:51 AM, michaelrorth <mosurf(at)xplornet.com (mosurf(at)xplornet.com)> wrote:

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 I have an M-462RF (very similar to an M-14) which will eventually be installed in a Murphy Moose.

 

 The time has come to have an engine mounting assembly fabricated using the mounting ring that came with the engine.

 

 How is the best way to remove the existing ring from the engine so that I can send it out for fabricating the entire mounting assembly?

 

 Looks to me like I need to remove at least one of the magnetos, the compressor, fuel pump, generator, and carburetor.

 

 How is the best way to ensure that these parts can be reinstalled with the proper alignments and timing?

 

 Thanks,

 Michael

 

 

 

 

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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:51 am Post subject: Advice Needed

Hi Michael-



In the process of Housai to M14P conversion and just removed YAK ring for the CJ ring and you do need to remove both Mags and the oil pump but it will fit over the compressor and carb.  If you have the Russian mag wrench (long extension 13 mm I think), it is useful for the mag nut next to the ring (very tight).  Flipping the motor so it is nose down makes working on the aft portion/accessories and mount much easier and below is a pic of what I used (thanks Pappy). Fab a plate with the prop flange hole pattern and a jack stand on a sturdy pallet on wheels and u can spin motor around and move easily.  Refer to George Coy's tutorial on mag timing...let me know if you need it.

More ways to skin this cat but it all worked for me; of course the key part of all this is your hoist system...Hope this helps.-  Hoot

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		   On Oct 28, 2014, at 11:51 AM, "michaelrorth" <mosurf(at)xplornet.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 I have an M-462RF (very similar to an M-14) which will eventually be installed in a Murphy Moose.

 

 The time has come to have an engine mounting assembly fabricated using the mounting ring that came with the engine.

 

 How is the best way to remove the existing ring from the engine so that I can send it out for fabricating the entire mounting assembly?

 

 Looks to me like I need to remove at least one of the magnetos, the compressor, fuel pump, generator, and carburetor.

 

 How is the best way to ensure that these parts can be reinstalled with the proper alignments and timing?

 

 Thanks,

 Michael

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432413#432413

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:26 pm Post subject: Advice Needed

Hoot is correct. Just need to pull the mags. Do not recall having to pull my oil pump to remove my ring. Has been a couple of years since I rebuilt my M14 though. 

On second thought, no I did not pull the oil pump. 

Doc

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		   On Oct 28, 2014, at 11:40 AM, Hank Gibson <hkgibby(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

 Hi Michael-

 In the process of Housai to M14P conversion and just removed YAK ring for the CJ ring and you do need to remove both Mags and the oil pump but it will fit over the compressor and carb.  If you have the Russian mag wrench (long extension 13 mm I think), it is useful for the mag nut next to the ring (very tight).  Flipping the motor so it is nose down makes working on the aft portion/accessories and mount much easier and below is a pic of what I used (thanks Pappy). Fab a plate with the prop flange hole pattern and a jack stand on a sturdy pallet on wheels and u can spin motor around and move easily.  Refer to George Coy's tutorial on mag timing...let me know if you need it.

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 More ways to skin this cat but it all worked for me; of course the key part of all this is your hoist system...Hope this helps.-  Hoot

 Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 28, 2014, at 11:51 AM, "michaelrorth" <mosurf(at)xplornet.com> wrote:

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> 

> 

> I have an M-462RF (very similar to an M-14) which will eventually be installed in a Murphy Moose.

> 

> The time has come to have an engine mounting assembly fabricated using the mounting ring that came with the engine.

> 

> How is the best way to remove the existing ring from the engine so that I can send it out for fabricating the entire mounting assembly?

> 

> Looks to me like I need to remove at least one of the magnetos, the compressor, fuel pump, generator, and carburetor.

> 

> How is the best way to ensure that these parts can be reinstalled with the proper alignments and timing?

> 

> Thanks,

> Michael

> 

> 

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> Read this topic online here:

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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432413#432413

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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:49 pm Post subject: Advice Needed

The mag hold down nuts are 14mm.  For the front nut, many people,             including me, make a wrench from an       inexpensive 14mm combination (open end-box end) wrench.  Heat the       shank of the wrench and bend it at about a 120 degree angle.  When       cooled, cut off the open end of the wrench a couple of inches in       from the open end.  Use the box end wrench for easy access to the       front mag nut.  BTW, the cylinder base nut wrench (which is also       14mm) works very nicely on the top and bottom mag hold down nuts.

       

       When removing the mags, here's a pretty simple way for you to       remove and reinstall the mags without having to re-time them.        This assumes you do not rotate the prop flange in any way after       the mags are removed.

       - Remove the mag cover and rotate the engine until the leading       finger on the rotor in the counter clockwise direction points       directly at the scribe mark on the cover mating surface of the       mag.  This is the timing mark for #4 cylinder.  On the left mag,       the scribe mark is at the 2 o'clock position or just above the       high voltage stick.  On the right mag it's just below the high       voltage stick or 8 o'clock position.

       - Clean the base of the mag around the lower edge where it mates       with the accessory case using a solvent or avgas and let it dry a       minute or two.

       - Using a Sharpie pen, make 3 vertical lines approximately 1/4"       apart between the base of the mag and the accessory case.

       - Remove the mag hold down nuts and remove the mag from the       accessory case.

       - Put a piece of duct tape across the rotor and down on to the       side of the mag to keep the rotor in position for when you pull       the mag.

       - When reinstalling the mag, precisely line up the 3 vertical       marks on the accessory case with the marks on the base of the mag.

       - Reinstall the hold down nuts.

       

       Hope this helps.

       Dennis

       

       

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Hoot is correct. Just need to pull the mags. Do not recall having to pull my oil pump to remove my ring. Has been a couple of years since I rebuilt my M14 though. 

On second thought, no I did not pull the oil pump. 

Doc



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		  On Oct 28, 2014, at 11:40 AM, Hank Gibson <hkgibby(at)yahoo.com> (hkgibby(at)yahoo.com) wrote:



Hi Michael-



In the process of Housai to M14P conversion and just removed YAK ring for the CJ ring and you do need to remove both Mags and the oil pump but it will fit over the compressor and carb.  If you have the Russian mag wrench (long extension 13 mm I think), it is useful for the mag nut next to the ring (very tight).  Flipping the motor so it is nose down makes working on the aft portion/accessories and mount much easier and below is a pic of what I used (thanks Pappy). Fab a plate with the prop flange hole pattern and a jack stand on a sturdy pallet on wheels and u can spin motor around and move easily.  Refer to George Coy's tutorial on mag timing...let me know if you need it.

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More ways to skin this cat but it all worked for me; of course the key part of all this is your hoist system...Hope this helps.-  Hoot

Sent from my iPhone



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		  On Oct 28, 2014, at 11:51 AM, "michaelrorth" <mosurf(at)xplornet.com> (mosurf(at)xplornet.com) wrote:



--> Yak-List message posted by: "michaelrorth" <mosurf(at)xplornet.com> (mosurf(at)xplornet.com)



I have an M-462RF (very similar to an M-14) which will eventually be installed in a Murphy Moose.



The time has come to have an engine mounting assembly fabricated using the mounting ring that came with the engine.



How is the best way to remove the existing ring from the engine so that I can send it out for fabricating the entire mounting assembly?



Looks to me like I need to remove at least one of the magnetos, the compressor, fuel pump, generator, and carburetor.



How is the best way to ensure that these parts can be reinstalled with the proper alignments and timing?



Thanks,

Michael





Read this topic online here:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432413#432413

	
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michaelrorth

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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:13 pm Post subject: Advice Needed

Hi Roger,

  

 Thank you for your reply and advice.

  

 Much appreciated,

  

 Michael

  

 Michael Orth

 mosurf(at)xplornet.com (mosurf(at)xplornet.com)

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Viperdoc

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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:47 pm Post subject: Advice Needed

Welcome Michael. Good luck

Doc



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[quote] On Oct 28, 2014, at 9:10 PM, Michael Orth <mosurf(at)xplornet.com> wrote:

 

 Hi Roger,

  

 Thank you for your reply and advice.

  

 Much appreciated,

  

 Michael

  

 Michael Orth

 mosurf(at)xplornet.com

 (250) 243-0013

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