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 Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:16 pm Post subject: Recommended radio for Yak 52 |
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Hi,
Some time ago we discussed recomanded radios.
About to park my 52 for some work and order new radio.
Came over a MGL V6, does Somebody have some experience with this?
http://www.mglavionics.com/html/radios.html
Some say its a good radio and even consider the built in ICS to be better than a PM1200.
Price is very nice so it would be great if anyone could give me thumbs up or down.
BR
Havard
Yaknorway
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[quote] Den 28. aug. 2014 kl. 21:50 skrev Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc(at)me.com>:
Copy all. Have added Filters just about everywhere. That got the reception pushed out to about 10 miles in the clear but anything out farther was a buzz.
Doc
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> On Aug 28, 2014, at 2:32 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil> wrote:
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> Roger that. I really should have been more definitive when I made that Becker statement.
>
> There are two ways to get rid of radio noise. Eliminate the noise at the source, or make an attempt to keep existing noise from getting into the radio.
>
> There is no question that the best way to keep ignition noise under control is to use a gross shield for every wire and sparkplug. That is what the original Russian design did. Every single wire was run inside of a metal tube, and basically there was a solid metal shield surrounding every single place ignition noise could leak out of. This is the best example of keeping noise under control at the source, but it came with a price. The Russian spark plug wire was very prone to deterioration and cross over coupling. An early attempt to address this was to replace the Russian spark plug wires with silicone wires inside of the original tube. This helped, but troubleshooting and repairing this design was problematic to put it mildly.
>
> Then Dennis came out with the idea of replacing all of that with Taylor high quality ignition wires, and automobile spark plugs. Anyone who has done this modification knows that the engine runs MUCH better than it ever had before with a good solid spark getting to the cylinders. But, there is no way open wiring is going to be as quiet as wires inside of solid metal tube. So, the noise floor was increased, and that is a price you have to pay.
>
> Another well-known source of noise is the P Leaks coming out of each Mag. These must be perfectly shielded, by-passed, filtered (etc.) or once again you raise the noise floor.
>
> Enter the P1000 digital tach from Horizon Instruments. This is a really cool tach and works exceptionally well. However, the design requires the installer to tap into P Leads from BOTH of the mags, and run that new wiring up to the Tach. It is VERY easy when doing this to create a situation where even more P lead noise "leaks out".
>
> The Becker radio is a good radio but there is no question that it is more susceptible to noise than just about any other model radio I have ever had experience with. Originally designed for gliders where weight was the most important issue, and shielding against engine noise was not, this makes perfect sense.
>
> Some folks have had very good luck with Becker radios in YAK and CJ aircraft. However, if you start adding new things to the airplane that increase the noise floor, it will start "hearing" that noise before most other models would. If you work hard enough, you can sometimes keep the noise under control enough to keep using them. And sometimes you can't.
>
> Mark
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jan.mevis(at)informavia.b
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:11 am Post subject: Recommended radio for Yak 52 |
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If you live in EASA country, then you should verify with a company that
has the EASA credentials for avionics maintenance and installation.
Look for such companies and ask if they have that radio on their list.
In EASA territory you can still install radio's and transponders on your
Annexe II aircraft, but you'll have them checked sooner or later.
Does Norway comply with EASA?
Regards,
Jan
On 16/11/14 00:14, "Håvard Dale" <havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com> wrote:
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<havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com>
Hi,
Some time ago we discussed recomanded radios.
About to park my 52 for some work and order new radio.
Came over a MGL V6, does Somebody have some experience with this?
http://www.mglavionics.com/html/radios.html
Some say its a good radio and even consider the built in ICS to be better
than a PM1200.
Price is very nice so it would be great if anyone could give me thumbs up
or down.
BR
Havard
Yaknorway
Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
> Den 28. aug. 2014 kl. 21:50 skrev Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc(at)me.com>:
>
>
>
> Copy all. Have added Filters just about everywhere. That got the
>reception pushed out to about 10 miles in the clear but anything out
>farther was a buzz.
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 2:32 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD"
>><mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil> wrote:
>>
>>
>><mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>
>>
>> Roger that. I really should have been more definitive when I made
>>that Becker statement.
>>
>> There are two ways to get rid of radio noise. Eliminate the noise at
>>the source, or make an attempt to keep existing noise from getting into
>>the radio.
>>
>> There is no question that the best way to keep ignition noise under
>>control is to use a gross shield for every wire and sparkplug. That is
>>what the original Russian design did. Every single wire was run inside
>>of a metal tube, and basically there was a solid metal shield
>>surrounding every single place ignition noise could leak out of. This
>>is the best example of keeping noise under control at the source, but
>>it came with a price. The Russian spark plug wire was very prone to
>>deterioration and cross over coupling. An early attempt to address
>>this was to replace the Russian spark plug wires with silicone wires
>>inside of the original tube. This helped, but troubleshooting and
>>repairing this design was problematic to put it mildly.
>>
>> Then Dennis came out with the idea of replacing all of that with
>>Taylor high quality ignition wires, and automobile spark plugs. Anyone
>>who has done this modification knows that the engine runs MUCH better
>>than it ever had before with a good solid spark getting to the
>>cylinders. But, there is no way open wiring is going to be as quiet as
>>wires inside of solid metal tube. So, the noise floor was increased,
>>and that is a price you have to pay.
>>
>> Another well-known source of noise is the P Leaks coming out of each
>>Mag. These must be perfectly shielded, by-passed, filtered (etc.) or
>>once again you raise the noise floor.
>>
>> Enter the P1000 digital tach from Horizon Instruments. This is a
>>really cool tach and works exceptionally well. However, the design
>>requires the installer to tap into P Leads from BOTH of the mags, and
>>run that new wiring up to the Tach. It is VERY easy when doing this to
>>create a situation where even more P lead noise "leaks out".
>>
>> The Becker radio is a good radio but there is no question that it is
>>more susceptible to noise than just about any other model radio I have
>>ever had experience with. Originally designed for gliders where weight
>>was the most important issue, and shielding against engine noise was
>>not, this makes perfect sense.
>>
>> Some folks have had very good luck with Becker radios in YAK and CJ
>>aircraft. However, if you start adding new things to the airplane that
>>increase the noise floor, it will start "hearing" that noise before
>>most other models would. If you work hard enough, you can sometimes
>>keep the noise under control enough to keep using them. And sometimes
>>you can't.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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havard.dale(at)yaknorway.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:50 am Post subject: Recommended radio for Yak 52 |
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Hi Jan,
Norway is following EASA on Certified Aircrafts, but for all experimental/Annex II we follow national regulations. As a Certified Part-66 technican with national approval by N-CAA i myself Can do the instalation/ modification.
I Can check with our local avionic shop if they know about the MGL. Most likely not since he only deal Certified parts.
Up to know we have had no issue with the CAA in Norway. We operate some 52's here and so far so good. Pretty mutch only the first check when Aircraft is imported they are involved. After that Licenced technicans Can do all maintenenace/ annuals.
How is for you guys?
BR
Havard
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| Quote: | Den 16. nov. 2014 kl. 10:10 skrev Jan Mevis <jan.mevis(at)informavia.be>:
If you live in EASA country, then you should verify with a company that
has the EASA credentials for avionics maintenance and installation.
Look for such companies and ask if they have that radio on their list.
In EASA territory you can still install radio's and transponders on your
Annexe II aircraft, but you'll have them checked sooner or later.
Does Norway comply with EASA?
Regards,
Jan
> On 16/11/14 00:14, "HÃ¥vard Dale" <havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com> wrote:
>
>
> <havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> Some time ago we discussed recomanded radios.
>
> About to park my 52 for some work and order new radio.
>
> Came over a MGL V6, does Somebody have some experience with this?
>
> http://www.mglavionics.com/html/radios.html
>
> Some say its a good radio and even consider the built in ICS to be better
> than a PM1200.
>
> Price is very nice so it would be great if anyone could give me thumbs up
> or down.
>
> BR
> Havard
> Yaknorway
>
> Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
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jan.mevis(at)informavia.b
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:36 am Post subject: Recommended radio for Yak 52 |
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Hello Havard,
You might have a glance at TRIG avionics. In France, they're considered
being very good (by the inspectors I recently had).
In France (I'm not French, but based in France with my plane) they are
still quite cool and relaxed concerning Annexe II and even more for
accepted oldtimers (like the Yak 50, oldtimers have a special register in
France). An oldtime (= collectioner's item) is virtually like an
experimental in the USA. The owner is entirely responsible, and decides on
most issues. You just have to ask permission to change prop or engine, but
that's usually never a problem.
But with avionics, Easa imposes checks to see if the installed devices are
compliant.
So even my Yak 50 will be checked on transponder every two years, if not,
no radio-license, no flying
So we install radio's and transponders that are known by the inspectors,
to avoid lengthy discussions.
It's good to hear that you have a good working relationship with your
authorities. That is definitely not so easy in Belgium or in the
Netherlands.
BR,
Jan
On 16/11/14 10:49, "Håvard Dale" <havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com> wrote:
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<havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com>
Hi Jan,
Norway is following EASA on Certified Aircrafts, but for all
experimental/Annex II we follow national regulations. As a Certified
Part-66 technican with national approval by N-CAA i myself Can do the
instalation/ modification.
I Can check with our local avionic shop if they know about the MGL. Most
likely not since he only deal Certified parts.
Up to know we have had no issue with the CAA in Norway. We operate some
52's here and so far so good. Pretty mutch only the first check when
Aircraft is imported they are involved. After that Licenced technicans
Can do all maintenenace/ annuals.
How is for you guys?
BR
Havard
Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
> Den 16. nov. 2014 kl. 10:10 skrev Jan Mevis <jan.mevis(at)informavia.be>:
>
>
>
> If you live in EASA country, then you should verify with a company that
> has the EASA credentials for avionics maintenance and installation.
> Look for such companies and ask if they have that radio on their list.
> In EASA territory you can still install radio's and transponders on your
> Annexe II aircraft, but you'll have them checked sooner or later.
> Does Norway comply with EASA?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jan
>
>
>> On 16/11/14 00:14, "Håvard Dale" <havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>
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>> <havard.dale(at)yaknorway.com>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Some time ago we discussed recomanded radios.
>>
>> About to park my 52 for some work and order new radio.
>>
>> Came over a MGL V6, does Somebody have some experience with this?
>>
>> http://www.mglavionics.com/html/radios.html
>>
>> Some say its a good radio and even consider the built in ICS to be
>>better
>> than a PM1200.
>>
>> Price is very nice so it would be great if anyone could give me thumbs
>>up
>> or down.
>>
>> BR
>> Havard
>> Yaknorway
>>
>> Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
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