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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:13 am    Post subject: Plasma III - Cooling Port Reply with quote

Apologies for this, but I'm about 200 miles from the airplane and ordering parts.
Do any of you recall the size of the cooling port on the Lightspeed Plasma III?  The dimensions for the port are not included in their documentation.
The question above is the most important one...
But I'd also be curious to know if any of you have found a way to provide reliable cooling air with a more commercialized (think Mouser, Digikey, etc) blower.  Right now I'm leaning toward shelling out a few hundred dollars to Aircraft Spruce for an avionics blower.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:43 am    Post subject: Plasma III - Cooling Port Reply with quote

The flat, square, computer fans won't be much good since they don't produce much pressure .... they're made to move the hot air away from a spot source.  However, you can get 12V squirrel cage fans ..... used on larger computers .... on EBAY .... search '12v squirrel cage fan'.
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[quote] Apologies for this, but I'm about 200 miles from the airplane and ordering parts.


Do any of you recall the size of the cooling port on the Lightspeed Plasma III?  The dimensions for the port are not included in their documentation.


The question above is the most important one...


But I'd also be curious to know if any of you have found a way to provide reliable cooling air with a more commercialized (think Mouser, Digikey, etc) blower.  Right now I'm leaning toward shelling out a few hundred dollars to Aircraft Spruce for an avionics blower.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:10 am    Post subject: Plasma III - Cooling Port Reply with quote

Those would also make good defrost fans....and all the time they'll help to keep the hot air from under your panel vented.


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[quote] The flat, square, computer fans won't be much good since they don't produce much pressure .... they're made to move the hot air away from a spot source. However, you can get 12V squirrel cage fans ..... used on larger computers .... on EBAY .... search '12v squirrel cage fan'.
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Apologies for this, but I'm about 200 miles from the airplane and ordering parts.


Do any of you recall the size of the cooling port on the Lightspeed Plasma III? The dimensions for the port are not included in their documentation.


The question above is the most important one...


But I'd also be curious to know if any of you have found a way to provide reliable cooling air with a more commercialized (think Mouser, Digikey, etc) blower. Right now I'm leaning toward shelling out a few hundred dollars to Aircraft Spruce for an avionics blower.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:23 am    Post subject: Plasma III - Cooling Port Reply with quote

I've got a pair of those mounted in the glareshield.

But I'm still putting a blower (think cage type) on the Plasma III box. I'll probably get a 3 port version and put one on the ignition box, and use the other two for indirectly blowing air on other items expensive items like GTN-750 and similar.

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[quote] On Dec 5, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

Those would also make good defrost fans....and all the time they'll help to keep the hot air from under your panel vented.



> On Dec 5, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com> wrote:
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> The flat, square, computer fans won't be much good since they don't produce much pressure .... they're made to move the hot air away from a spot source. However, you can get 12V squirrel cage fans ..... used on larger computers .... on EBAY .... search '12v squirrel cage fan'.
> Linn
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>> On 12/5/2014 11:11 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
>> Apologies for this, but I'm about 200 miles from the airplane and ordering parts.
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>> Do any of you recall the size of the cooling port on the Lightspeed Plasma III? The dimensions for the port are not included in their documentation


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 5:26 pm    Post subject: Plasma III - Cooling Port Reply with quote

It's easy Phil just order the EFII system because you don't need a cooling port. Sorry couldn't resist it!

Gaylon Koenning.....
With your control sticks still 200 nm away from you.


On Dec 5, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]Apologies for this, but I'm about 200 miles from the airplane and ordering parts.
Do any of you recall the size of the cooling port on the Lightspeed Plasma III? The dimensions for the port are not included in their documentation.
The question above is the most important one..
But I'd also be curious to know if any of you have found a way to provide reliable cooling air with a more commercialized (think Mouser, Digikey, etc) blower. Right now I'm leaning toward shelling out a few hundred dollars to Aircraft Spruce for an avionics blower.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:08 pm    Post subject: Plasma III - Cooling Port Reply with quote

Nor does the ElectroAir system. Not to mention the G3 system.

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[quote]It's easy Phil just order the EFII system because you don't need a cooling port.   Sorry couldn't resist it!

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With your control sticks still 200 nm away from you.

  
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:29 pm    Post subject: Plasma III - Cooling Port Reply with quote

On 12/5/2014 1:09 PM, Tim Olson wrote:

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Those would also make good defrost fans....and all the time they'll help to keep the hot air from under your panel vented.

Most modern avionics do not produce much heat at all so the defrost fans might need some cabin heat to work effectively.
It doesn't get much colder than freezing down in FL for the most part and the cabin heat looks like it will function nicely at -40 Razz .
What say you guys in the frozen north .......
Linn
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Plasma III - Cooling Port Reply with quote

I installed a Cyclone 21 avionics fan (PN CRB-6457) which I believe Stein carries (below). The other ports provide forced cooling to my radio stack. Simple design and well worth the $.

http://www.steinair.com/SearchResults.cfm?key=fan

Sorry I don't recall the tube diameter used on the LSE cooling ports. But... do recall sourcing the tubing from the A/C section of the local Lowes.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:04 pm    Post subject: Plasma III - Cooling Port Reply with quote

Hey Phil, don't you have a G750 with it's own fan?  I have 2 5" computer type fans in the upper fuse which should be all sorts of cooling (along with my G650).  Unless you have a 430W/530W you shouldn't need Steins fan,......or am I missing something?
 
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On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]Apologies for this, but I'm about 200 miles from the airplane and ordering parts.
Do any of you recall the size of the cooling port on the Lightspeed Plasma III?  The dimensions for the port are not included in their documentation.
The question above is the most important one...
But I'd also be curious to know if any of you have found a way to provide reliable cooling air with a more commercialized (think Mouser, Digikey, etc) blower.  Right now I'm leaning toward shelling out a few hundred dollars to Aircraft Spruce for an avionics blower.
Phil

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:33 pm    Post subject: Plasma III - Cooling Port Reply with quote

+1 more for Robert Paisley's EFII. What a great system!
As far as avionics blowers go,
Twosrus.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=84&products_id=630
Have you considered two naca vents? One on either side with a valve to shut the flow off if needed would probably be more cooling than you would ever need. It's a much lighter and less complex approach too. 
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[quote]It's easy Phil just order the EFII system because you don't need a cooling port. Sorry couldn't resist it!

Gaylon Koenning.....
With your control sticks still 200 nm away from you.


On Dec 5, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Apologies for this, but I'm about 200 miles from the airplane and ordering parts.
Do any of you recall the size of the cooling port on the Lightspeed Plasma III?  The dimensions for the port are not included in their documentation.
The question above is the most important one...
But I'd also be curious to know if any of you have found a way to provide reliable cooling air with a more commercialized (think Mouser, Digikey, etc) blower. Right now I'm leaning toward shelling out a few hundred dollars to Aircraft Spruce for an avionics blower.
Phil

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:35 pm    Post subject: Plasma III - Cooling Port Reply with quote

I remember some of my initial flights were on 10F degree days up here and with the cabin heat on, the under panel temp was well over 100F, so with cabin heat and a pair of blowers on the glareshield it defrosts....not fast but enough. Thanksgiving day this year I went flying and during our ground warmup (it was under 10F) the 4 of us fogged the windows so bad they were almost completely fogged over, but where the blowers were it was clear in a couple 8-10" circles. After takeoff and the hotter engine heat we cleared the whole front and side front windows so that was better. At any rate, you definitely want a defroster.  Mine comes on with the master because summer and winter, you may as well keep all the heat you can from staying under the glareshield. I run it year round.
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[quote] On 12/5/2014 1:09 PM, Tim Olson wrote:

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Those would also make good defrost fans....and all the time they'll help to keep the hot air from under your panel vented.

Most modern avionics do not produce much heat at all so the defrost fans might need some cabin heat to work effectively.
It doesn't get much colder than freezing down in FL for the most part and the cabin heat looks like it will function nicely at -40 Razz .
What say you guys in the frozen north .......
Linn
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:59 pm    Post subject: Plasma III - Cooling Port Reply with quote

I'm not sure if the 750 has an internal fan or if it just has a really large heat sink. I do know there isn't a cooling port on it.
But I'm thinking, since I will have an extra blower ports available, I might direct one of the extras toward it to assist in removing heat off the heat sink. Again, not required, but it won't hurt.
The only device I have behind the panel that requires cooling is the Plasma III.  And even that is debatable if it's mounted in a cool spot (mine is on the subpanel). Many of the earlier 6 cylinder models don't even have the port.
On the topic of fans, I have two in the top of the upper fuse. They are simply defoggers (not defrost - heat isn't required). So the goal is to keep air moving and if it will exhaust some heat from under than panel then all the better.
On a monumental building note, I think I will be doing my first power up with the panel temporarily wired up to the airframe on Tuesday.  If it goes well then I can get started on the permanent installation.  Very excited! It's been a long time coming. 7.5 years to this point. Smile
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[quote]Hey Phil, don't you have a G750 with it's own fan? I have 2 5" computer type fans in the upper fuse which should be all sorts of cooling (along with my G650). Unless you have a 430W/530W you shouldn't need Steins fan,......or am I missing something?

Rick
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Apologies for this, but I'm about 200 miles from the airplane and ordering parts.
Do any of you recall the size of the cooling port on the Lightspeed Plasma III?  The dimensions for the port are not included in their documentation.
The question above is the most important one...
But I'd also be curious to know if any of you have found a way to provide reliable cooling air with a more commercialized (think Mouser, Digikey, etc) blower. Right now I'm leaning toward shelling out a few hundred dollars to Aircraft Spruce for an avionics blower.
Phil

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:07 pm    Post subject: Plasma III - Cooling Port Reply with quote

The 650 and 750 have tiny fans built into the back plate. Noisy little buggers.

You still want some airflow behind the panel.
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 9:56 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]I'm not sure if the 750 has an internal fan or if it just has a really large heat sink.  I do know there isn't a cooling port on it.   
But I'm thinking, since I will have an extra blower ports available, I might direct one of the extras toward it to assist in removing heat off the heat sink.   Again, not required, but it won't hurt.  
The only device I have behind the panel that requires cooling is the Plasma III.  And even that is debatable if it's mounted in a cool spot (mine is on the subpanel).   Many of the earlier 6 cylinder models don't even have the port. 
On the topic of fans, I have two in the top of the upper fuse.   They are simply defoggers (not defrost - heat isn't required).  So the goal is to keep air moving and if it will exhaust some heat from under than panel then all the better. 
On a monumental building note, I think I will be doing my first power up with the panel temporarily wired up to the airframe on Tuesday.  If it goes well then I can get started on the permanent installation.  Very excited!   It's been a long time coming.    7.5 years to this point.  Smile
 Phil
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On Dec 5, 2014, at 10:02 PM, Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)gmail.com (larkrv10(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Hey Phil, don't you have a G750 with it's own fan?  I have 2 5" computer type fans in the upper fuse which should be all sorts of cooling (along with my G650).  Unless you have a 430W/530W you shouldn't need Steins fan,......or am I missing something?
 
Rick
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Apologies for this, but I'm about 200 miles from the airplane and ordering parts.
Do any of you recall the size of the cooling port on the Lightspeed Plasma III?  The dimensions for the port are not included in their documentation.
The question above is the most important one...
But I'd also be curious to know if any of you have found a way to provide reliable cooling air with a more commercialized (think Mouser, Digikey, etc) blower.  Right now I'm leaning toward shelling out a few hundred dollars to Aircraft Spruce for an avionics blower.
Phil

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 3:45 am    Post subject: Plasma III - Cooling Port Reply with quote

Phil,
The 750 fan will be on most of the time during normal Texas operations. As others have mentioned concerning moving the hot air under the panel.... More cooling certainly wouldn't hurt!

Gaylon Koenning
[quote] On Dec 5, 2014, at 10:56 PM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> wrote:

I'm not sure if the 750 has an internal fan or if it just has a really large heat sink. I do know there isn't a cooling port on it.

But I'm thinking, since I will have an extra blower ports available, I might direct one of the extras toward it to assist in removing heat off the heat sink. Again, not required, but it won't hurt.

The only device I have behind the panel that requires cooling is the Plasma III. And even that is debatable if it's mounted in a cool spot (mine is on the subpanel). Many of the earlier 6 cylinder models don't even have the port.

On the topic of fans, I have two in the top of the upper fuse. They are simply defoggers (not defrost - heat isn't required). So the goal is to keep air moving and if it will exhaust some heat from under than panel then all the better.

On a monumental building note, I think I will be doing my first power up with the panel temporarily wired up to the airframe on Tuesday. If it goes well then I can get started on the permanent installation. Very excited! It's been a long time coming. 7.5 years to this point. Smile

Phil


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> On Dec 5, 2014, at 10:02 PM, Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Phil, don't you have a G750 with it's own fan? I have 2 5" computer type fans in the upper fuse which should be all sorts of cooling (along with my G650). Unless you have a 430W/530W you shouldn't need Steins fan,......or am I missing something?
>
> Rick
>
>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Apologies for this, but I'm about 200 miles from the airplane and ordering parts.
>>
>> Do any of you recall the size of the cooling port on the Lightspeed Plasma III? The dimensions for the port are not included in their documentation


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:07 am    Post subject: Plasma III - Cooling Port Reply with quote

Ports on the LSEIII are 3/8". I'm using the cyclone fan below and a piece of 3/8" ID silicone hose as a bushing to bring the port size up to a size that is closer to the cyclone. The larger hose diameter also adds some strength to the port on the LSE.\

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