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irampil(at)notes.cc.sunys
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 Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject: EFIS Companies |
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Greg,
I have been flying with a Blue Mountain E/1 for almost two years.
In that time the software has received major feature upgrades nearly
every quarter, all free after purchase. Only recently, and only because
they switched to Jeppeson who insisted, has BMA begun enforcing the
subscription payment for database updates.
I have always found the company easy to deal with and very
straightforward.
While it seems a few shipped systems had bugs, most of what one see
complaints
about on their unmoderated Board concerns builders or installers who have
trouble with the sometimes telegraphically brief install manuals or with
poor grounding discipline in their wiring harnesses.
I have a great deal of respect for both Bob N. and Greg R. My A/C wiring
is a slightly modified version of Bob's All-Electric, including a LVBM
module controlling the power to the EFIS. In my opinion, Greg made some
good points in his treatise on electrical system design also. We can all
learn from looking at both. Like Bob said, you should infer nothing
about Greg's company business practices from their design flap.
You should probably wander around SnF or Oshkosh and do some of your
own assessment of the people and equipment involved. Its a very personal
choice.
Ira N224XS
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gmvouga(at)hotmail.com
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:04 am Post subject: EFIS Companies |
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Ira,
Thanks for the input. I did get to wander around SnF last year and look at
many of the systems available. I talked directly to avionics install shops
and manufacturers of the individual units. The EFIS that got the most
positive responses from all was GRT. I even went to the BMA booth and asked
them to comment on the bad press their company and service has received.
They seemed to think the bad press was not deserved and offered that most
problems occur due to bad installations by the builder. I was a little
disturbed by this response. Perhaps this is due to the insufficient install
manuals that you mentioned.
However, I have met many people such as yourself that are using BMA systems
and have great things to say about the company and product. I still love
the features that the product offers and would be very happy to have a
working version of the system in my panel. The only question is how many
headaches lie between now and that point...
Greg
| Quote: | From: irampil(at)notes.cc.sunysb.edu
Reply-To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: EFIS Companies
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:09:39 -0500
Greg,
I have been flying with a Blue Mountain E/1 for almost two years.
In that time the software has received major feature upgrades nearly
every quarter, all free after purchase. Only recently, and only because
they switched to Jeppeson who insisted, has BMA begun enforcing the
subscription payment for database updates.
I have always found the company easy to deal with and very
straightforward.
While it seems a few shipped systems had bugs, most of what one see
complaints
about on their unmoderated Board concerns builders or installers who have
trouble with the sometimes telegraphically brief install manuals or with
poor grounding discipline in their wiring harnesses.
I have a great deal of respect for both Bob N. and Greg R. My A/C wiring
is a slightly modified version of Bob's All-Electric, including a LVBM
module controlling the power to the EFIS. In my opinion, Greg made some
good points in his treatise on electrical system design also. We can all
learn from looking at both. Like Bob said, you should infer nothing
about Greg's company business practices from their design flap.
You should probably wander around SnF or Oshkosh and do some of your
own assessment of the people and equipment involved. Its a very personal
choice.
Ira N224XS
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flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:23 am Post subject: EFIS Companies |
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BMA has "leading edge" products and they make a big effort to make there
customers happy.
That being said their install and operations manuals are not very good (I'm
being kind!) therefore no doubt builders have a high rate of installation
errors . . . I've been trying to figure out the GNS430 to BMA/Lite interface
for two month and received better help from Treasure Coast Avionics (I'm
not their customer) than Blue Mountain! The last response I received was
"are you sure the wiring is right?" NO I'm not sure, but its wired per the
manual!! Obviously Greg and staff are working on "more important issues" .
. . but for me there are none more important.
The good news is that I do believe the Greg can and will solve most any
problem . . . but IMHO sometimes it takes longer than is should and problems
come up that shouldn't because of limited manuals and support!
Good Luck,
Bob
On 1/16/06, Greg Vouga <gmvouga(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
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Ira,
Thanks for the input. I did get to wander around SnF last year and look
at
many of the systems available. I talked directly to avionics install
shops
and manufacturers of the individual units. The EFIS that got the most
positive responses from all was GRT. I even went to the BMA booth and
asked
them to comment on the bad press their company and service has received.
They seemed to think the bad press was not deserved and offered that most
problems occur due to bad installations by the builder. I was a little
disturbed by this response. Perhaps this is due to the insufficient
install
manuals that you mentioned.
However, I have met many people such as yourself that are using BMA
systems
and have great things to say about the company and product. I still love
the features that the product offers and would be very happy to have a
working version of the system in my panel. The only question is how many
headaches lie between now and that point...
Greg
>From: irampil(at)notes.cc.sunysb.edu
>Reply-To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
>To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: EFIS Companies
>Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:09:39 -0500
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> Greg,
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>I have been flying with a Blue Mountain E/1 for almost two years.
>In that time the software has received major feature upgrades nearly
>every quarter, all free after purchase. Only recently, and only because
>they switched to Jeppeson who insisted, has BMA begun enforcing the
>subscription payment for database updates.
>
>I have always found the company easy to deal with and very
>straightforward.
>While it seems a few shipped systems had bugs, most of what one see
>complaints
>about on their unmoderated Board concerns builders or installers who have
>trouble with the sometimes telegraphically brief install manuals or with
>poor grounding discipline in their wiring harnesses.
>
>I have a great deal of respect for both Bob N. and Greg R. My A/C wiring
>is a slightly modified version of Bob's All-Electric, including a LVBM
>module controlling the power to the EFIS. In my opinion, Greg made some
>good points in his treatise on electrical system design also. We can all
>learn from looking at both. Like Bob said, you should infer nothing
>about Greg's company business practices from their design flap.
>
>You should probably wander around SnF or Oshkosh and do some of your
>own assessment of the people and equipment involved. Its a very personal
>choice.
>
>Ira N224XS
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