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jchang10

Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 227

Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2014 9:00 am Post subject: G3i Supercharging

http://www.g3ignition.com/Supercharging.html



All i wanted from santa was this supercharging kit but instead i got an 

ugly sweater. 



Lately, i was bemoaning that i had never heard of a supercharging or 

turbo kit. I just now googled for it, and lo and behold there it is. I 

had never heard of this option before. It sure sounds pretty great. In 

fact, it sounds too good to be true. It's actually designed for a stock 

540, which we all have. I just cant believe i had never heard of this 

before. Anybody have it?!



Jae



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Lenny Iszak

Joined: 23 Mar 2008
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: G3i Supercharging

A few of us have the G3i electronic ignition but I don't know of anyone with the supercharger.

The ignition has been working great and the support from Thomas is awesome.

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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:27 pm Post subject: G3i Supercharging

it looks like it's Â + 40lbs exactly where the RV10 doesn;t need any additional weight.



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 The ignition has been working great and the support from Thomas is awesome.

 

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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2014 11:07 pm Post subject: G3i Supercharging

Jae,



I can tell you that it turns the 540 into a beast!  I know Tom personally and have seen his starduster fly with the supercharger.  He is an incredible engineer, and and his workmanship is second to none.  He has flown it to Oshkosh and done many air shows with it as well.  It is a very slick setup that works nicely.  His G3i ignition is also very well thought out.  



Be sure to look at http://www.forcedaeromotive.com/ also.  It is a different option altogether and the components they use for their kits can be purchased on the open market for cheaper than they offer on the website.



Good Luck



Justin



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		  On Dec 25, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com (jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com)> wrote:

--> RV10-List message posted by: Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com (jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com)>http://www.g3ignition.com/Supercharging.htmlAll i wanted from santa was this supercharging kit but instead i got an ugly sweater. :(Lately, i was bemoaning that i had never heard of a supercharging or turbo kit. I just now googled for it, and lo and behold there it is. I had never heard of this option before. It sure sounds pretty great. In fact, it sounds too good to be true. It's actually designed for a stock 540, which we all have. I just cant believe i had never heard of this before. Anybody have it?!Jae-- #40533 RV-10First flight 10/19/2011Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011do not archive

	


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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 6:50 am Post subject: G3i Supercharging

All of which raises the question of what would one accomplish with this 

on an RV-10?

Van's has stated a very clear design flutter speed and has documented 

that achieving more than 195 horsepower (75%) at altitudes from 12,000 

on up will cause the RV-10 to exceed that design flutter speed. It 

already gets to within 20 mph of that design flutter speed with 75% 

power at low altitude and light wt or full power at gross. So either 

someone has to figure out what structural changes are needed for the 

control surfaces to raise that design flutter speed or risk shedding 

those control surfaces. Perhaps more than 1500 fpm climb or takeoff roll 

under 1000 ft isn't good enough? Maybe we just need to find a source for 

JATO bottle and a way to mount it?

Or is it just a better aircraft if we spend more money on more hardware? 

Perhaps the Tim Allen effect?

On 12/27/2014 12:04 AM, Justin Jones wrote:

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		   Jae,

 I can tell you that it turns the 540 into a beast!  I know Tom 

 personally and have seen his starduster fly with the supercharger.  He 

 is an incredible engineer, and and his workmanship is second to none. 

  He has flown it to Oshkosh and done many air shows with it as well. 

  It is a very slick setup that works nicely.  His G3i ignition is also 

 very well thought out.

 Be sure to look at http://www.forcedaeromotive.com/ also.  It is a 

 different option altogether and the components they use for their kits 

 can be purchased on the open market for cheaper than they offer on the 

 website.

 Good Luck

 Justin

> On Dec 25, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Jae Chang <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com 

> <mailto:jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>> wrote:

>

> 

> <jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com <mailto:jc-matronics_rv10(at)jline.com>>

>

> http://www.g3ignition.com/Supercharging.html

>

> All i wanted from santa was this supercharging kit but instead i got 

> an ugly sweater. 

>

> Lately, i was bemoaning that i had never heard of a supercharging or 

> turbo kit. I just now googled for it, and lo and behold there it is. 

> I had never heard of this option before. It sure sounds pretty great. 

> In fact, it sounds too good to be true. It's actually designed for a 

> stock 540, which we all have. I just cant believe i had never heard 

> of this before. Anybody have it?!

>

> Jae

>

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> #40533 RV-10

> First flight 10/19/2011

> Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011

> do not archive

>

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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:44 am Post subject: G3i Supercharging

I find it intriguing but not worth the tradeoffs .I have owned a mooney 231 a turbo 210 and comander 112 that I turbonormalized with an rcm turbo.These were very useful for two things-high density altitude takeoffs and topping weather.Flying at flight level 22-24 was uncrowded and allowed flight above icing and weather levels, many times between northeastern oregon and central california.Having said that,at this stage of my flying career the stock rv-10 is a near perfect airplane,except for the nosegear ad.The law of unintended consequences -not just flutter,but things like fuel consumpion and w&b issues will come into play-but it is an experimental.

   

   

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jchang10

Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 227

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:49 pm Post subject: G3i Supercharging

Personally, i would love to stay closer to 200 knots at altitude, which 

is within design limits. More speed or altitude certainly isn't for 

everyone. However, i would think having some options would be nice for 

those who might have specific needs for it. For instance Beech Bonanzas 

can have normalized, turbocharged, turbonormalized and maybe 

supercharged engines. Cirrus has had turbocharging available for some 

time, so they are probably filling a demand that is out there. I would 

think having some options would be attractive to some. It just seems the 

-10 is an oddball for not having similar options. As a cirrus or bonanza 

owner, it's nice that they have an upgrade path, even if that means 

selling their current normalized airplane for a TN or TC one.



I know there are several other mods for the -10 to gain a few extra 

knots by spending plenty of additional money and time as well. This 

supercharging option however gives potentially 100's of HP gain.



Someone created a turbine -10 but it's arguably impractical in our 

airframe, at least for me.



I'm sure someone able to take on the supercharging upgrade could figure 

out the CofG issues. Lightweight composite prop?



Jae



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First flight 10/19/2011

Phase 1 Done 11/26/2011

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jchang10

Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 227

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:03 pm Post subject: G3i Supercharging

hi Justin, thanks for the info. I will       have to see if i can rendezvous with Tom some day to check out his       setup. Maybe we can convince him to do a setup in a -10!!! He will       be more comfy in a -10 than in the Starduster when going to       Oshkosh, too! 

       

       Cool. Thanks for the link to the forced airmotive site. That looks       interesting. They have addressed CofG issues by installing gear on       the back of the engine instead of on the front. Interesting that       their pricing seems quite a bit more than G3i's on the face of it.       

       

       Jae

       

       On 12/26/2014 11:04 PM, Justin Jones wrote:

     

     [quote]              Jae,

              

       I can tell you that it turns the 540 into a beast!          I know Tom personally and have seen his starduster fly with the         supercharger.  He is an incredible engineer, and and his         workmanship is second to none.  He has flown it to Oshkosh and         done many air shows with it as well.  It is a very slick setup         that works nicely.  His G3i ignition is also very well thought         out.  

              

       Be sure to look at http://www.forcedaeromotive.com/ also.          It is a different option altogether and the components they use         for their kits can be purchased on the open market for cheaper         than they offer on the website.

              

       Good Luck

              

       Justin

       

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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2014 4:30 pm Post subject: G3i Supercharging

230 mph 0kts, which is Van's design limit. You do not want to be 

cruising within 5kts of risking losing a control surface.

The planes that have turbo-normalizing, etc. did the aero engineering to 

move the harmonic frequency to speeds they might encounter.

Vans chose not to for whatever reasons.

On 12/27/2014 3:45 PM, Jae Chang wrote:

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 Personally, i would love to stay closer to 200 knots at altitude, 

 which is within design limits. More speed or altitude certainly isn't 

 for everyone. However, i would think having some options would be nice 

 for those who might have specific needs for it. For instance Beech 

 Bonanzas can have normalized, turbocharged, turbonormalized and maybe 

 supercharged engines. Cirrus has had turbocharging available for some 

 time, so they are probably filling a demand that is out there. I would 

 think having some options would be attractive to some. It just seems 

 the -10 is an oddball for not having similar options. As a cirrus or 

 bonanza owner, it's nice that they have an upgrade path, even if that 

 means selling their current normalized airplane for a TN or TC one.



 I know there are several other mods for the -10 to gain a few extra 

 knots by spending plenty of additional money and time as well. This 

 supercharging option however gives potentially 100's of HP gain.



 Someone created a turbine -10 but it's arguably impractical in our 

 airframe, at least for me.



 I'm sure someone able to take on the supercharging upgrade could 

 figure out the CofG issues. Lightweight composite prop?



 Jae

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A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286
KCHD

Rocketman1988

Joined: 21 Jun 2012
Posts: 63

Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: G3i Supercharging

I always wonder about these folks that think you can just add a 100 or more horsepower to an airframe and figure there will be no issues...



Seems to me that they didn't ask themselves what their mission profile was before they chose the -10.  If you want to fly in the flight levels at speeds greater than 200 KTAS, then the -10 is probably not the aircraft for your mission.



Why try and make it something it is not?  Especially when it could very well cost you your life...

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