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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:41 am    Post subject: Heavy Duty Gas Strut Installation Reply with quote

I have the original Vans supplied gas struts for the doors. Should I just install these and wait for them to fail, thereafter installing the heavy duty gas struts, or replace with the heavy duty versions from the outset?

Could someone please provide the Vans part number for the heavy duty gas struts please, or is there an alternative supplier?
Warm regards from downunder

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:55 pm    Post subject: Heavy Duty Gas Strut Installation Reply with quote

Just search the "list" for struts and it will be obvious. There are other sources that are less expensive, but I can't comment on shipping down under.

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I have the original Vans supplied gas struts for the doors. Should I just install these and wait for them to fail, thereafter installing the heavy duty gas struts, or replace with the heavy duty versions from the outset?

Could someone please provide the Vans part number for the heavy duty gas struts please, or is there an alternative supplier?
Warm regards from downunder

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Heavy Duty Gas Strut Installation Reply with quote

I have the standard issue Van's struts that have been installed for about three years. I have been flying since May for about 125 hours. My doors are heavier than most as I have the cavities insulated, an armrest, and Sean's door system, and even in breezes, I have yet to have a door come down unexpectedly. If/when they do fail, I will probably upgrade to the higher compression system, but in the meantime I have no complaints about the originals. If you've already paid for them, I would just get the service life out of them before upgrading unless you can sell them for what you're in to them.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:10 pm    Post subject: Heavy Duty Gas Strut Installation Reply with quote

I would try the supplied struts first. I haven't had any issue with the
supplied struts, but I think it depends on how much extra "stuff" is
applied to the door interior.

-Sean #40303 (waiting for my paint slot to open up)

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I have the original Vans supplied gas struts for the doors. Should I
just install these and wait for them to fail, thereafter installing
the heavy duty gas struts, or replace with the heavy duty versions
from the outset?

Could someone please provide the Vans part number for the heavy duty
gas struts please, or is there an alternative supplier?
Warm regards from downunder

Patrick


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:27 pm    Post subject: Heavy Duty Gas Strut Installation Reply with quote

I agree. If you own them, you may as well use them for now. I've got
the same ones on that Van's sent me in what, 2005?? And they're still
working out. I think in the last year they are weakening a little,
but 9 years of flying for almost 1100 hours will do that I guess.
I have fabric applied to the door, so heavier materials may make
it worse and lighter materials or no materials may make it better.
I did paint the doors before applying fabric.

So, you may as well try them.

Tim

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I would try the supplied struts first. I haven't had any issue with the
supplied struts, but I think it depends on how much extra "stuff" is
applied to the door interior.

-Sean #40303 (waiting for my paint slot to open up)



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:42 pm    Post subject: Heavy Duty Gas Strut Installation Reply with quote

As time mentioned, the stock struts will work fine for you for a while if your door isn't built extra heavy. I have seen some doors that were so heavy the new standard struts wouldn't hold them open. On the other hand, I have seen strut brackets broken because the heavy duty strut was installed on a light-weight door and constantly slamming open eventually broke the bracket. The heavy duty struts on a standard door will open the door from all the way closed if it is unlatched. I don't like that. I want the door to open all the way when I lift it by hand, but I like to be able to lower it and have it stay down even if I don't latch it.

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I agree. If you own them, you may as well use them for now. I've got
the same ones on that Van's sent me in what, 2005?? And they're still
working out. I think in the last year they are weakening a little,
but 9 years of flying for almost 1100 hours will do that I guess.
I have fabric applied to the door, so heavier materials may make
it worse and lighter materials or no materials may make it better.
I did paint the doors before applying fabric.

So, you may as well try them.

Tim



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>
> I would try the supplied struts first. I haven't had any issue with the
> supplied struts, but I think it depends on how much extra "stuff" is
> applied to the door interior.
>
> -Sean #40303 (waiting for my paint slot to open up)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Heavy Duty Gas Strut Installation Reply with quote

I agree with using the stock struts and see how they work for you. I have had stock struts since the beginning. My doors have the Iflyrv10.com flush door handles that probably add a little bit of weight, but not much. The originals lasted about 5 years and 600 hours and then started getting just a bit weak in cold conditions. They were OK in warm conditions. I ordered new stock struts from Van's a couple of years ago and replaced them at the next condition inspection. They are doing fine. I agree with Jesse in that I don't want to have a door that will not stay down when not latched nor one that springs up aggressively when unlatched.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:00 pm    Post subject: Heavy Duty Gas Strut Installation Reply with quote

Tim said what I was thinking.  If you've already bought them, then get the useful life out of them.  You've paid for it already.  Then order some HD's when you need them later on.

My standard ones lasted about 2.5 years and I'm replacing them this week.

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As time mentioned, the stock struts will work fine for you for a while if your door isn't built extra heavy. I have seen some doors that were so heavy the new standard struts wouldn't hold them open. On the other hand, I have seen strut brackets broken because the heavy duty strut was installed on a light-weight door and constantly slamming open eventually broke the bracket. The heavy duty struts on a standard door will open the door from all the way closed if it is unlatched. I don't like that. I want the door to open all the way when I lift it by hand, but I like to be able to lower it and have it stay down even if I don't latch it.

Jesse Saint
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C: [url=tel:352-427-0285]352-427-0285[/url]
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> On Jan 12, 2015, at 4:25 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>
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> I agree. If you own them, you may as well use them for now.  I've got
> the same ones on that Van's sent me in what, 2005??  And they're still
> working out.  I think in the last year they are weakening a little,
> but 9 years of flying for almost 1100 hours will do that I guess.
> I have fabric applied to the door, so heavier materials may make
> it worse and lighter materials or no materials may make it better.
> I did paint the doors before applying fabric.
>
> So, you may as well try them.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> On 1/12/2015 3:06 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
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>> I would try the supplied struts first.  I haven't had any issue with the
>> supplied struts, but I think it depends on how much extra "stuff" is
>> applied to the door interior.
>>
>> -Sean #40303 (waiting for my paint slot to open up)
>>
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:24 pm    Post subject: Heavy Duty Gas Strut Installation Reply with quote

Mine didn't even last till first flight.  Bought 600N struts from Bansbach. E2A1F50-100-290/600N.
Linn

On 1/12/2015 7:58 PM, Phillip Perry wrote:

[quote] Tim said what I was thinking.  If you've already bought them, then get the useful life out of them.  You've paid for it already.  Then order some HD's when you need them later on.

My standard ones lasted about 2.5 years and I'm replacing them this week.

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--> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>

As time mentioned, the stock struts will work fine for you for a while if your door isn't built extra heavy. I have seen some doors that were so heavy the new standard struts wouldn't hold them open. On the other hand, I have seen strut brackets broken because the heavy duty strut was installed on a light-weight door and constantly slamming open eventually broke the bracket. The heavy duty struts on a standard door will open the door from all the way closed if it is unlatched. I don't like that. I want the door to open all the way when I lift it by hand, but I like to be able to lower it and have it stay down even if I don't latch it.

Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
C: [url=tel:352-427-0285]352-427-0285[/url]
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> I agree. If you own them, you may as well use them for now.  I've got
> the same ones on that Van's sent me in what, 2005??  And they're still
> working out.  I think in the last year they are weakening a little,
> but 9 years of flying for almost 1100 hours will do that I guess.
> I have fabric applied to the door, so heavier materials may make
> it worse and lighter materials or no materials may make it better.
> I did paint the doors before applying fabric.
>
> So, you may as well try them.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> On 1/12/2015 3:06 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
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>> I would try the supplied struts first.  I haven't had any issue with the
>> supplied struts, but I think it depends on how much extra "stuff" is
>> applied to the door interior.
>>
>> -Sean #40303 (waiting for my paint slot to open up)
>>
>
>
>
>



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:16 am    Post subject: Heavy Duty Gas Strut Installation Reply with quote

I had the same problem as Linn.  The second I put the windows in the doors, the struts were no longer strong enough to hold the doors open.  Both of my struts failed in this way.  Van's just shrugged it off, and tried to sell me the heavy duty struts for $130 each.

I went with Bansbach.  Very quick turn around time.
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On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Linn Walters <flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com (flying-nut(at)cfl.rr.com)> wrote:
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Mine didn't even last till first flight.  Bought 600N struts from Bansbach. E2A1F50-100-290/600N.
Linn

On 1/12/2015 7:58 PM, Phillip Perry wrote:

Quote:
Tim said what I was thinking.  If you've already bought them, then get the useful life out of them.  You've paid for it already.  Then order some HD's when you need them later on.

My standard ones lasted about 2.5 years and I'm replacing them this week.

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>

As time mentioned, the stock struts will work fine for you for a while if your door isn't built extra heavy. I have seen some doors that were so heavy the new standard struts wouldn't hold them open. On the other hand, I have seen strut brackets broken because the heavy duty strut was installed on a light-weight door and constantly slamming open eventually broke the bracket. The heavy duty struts on a standard door will open the door from all the way closed if it is unlatched. I don't like that. I want the door to open all the way when I lift it by hand, but I like to be able to lower it and have it stay down even if I don't latch it.

Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)
C: [url=tel:352-427-0285]352-427-0285[/url]
F: [url=tel:815-377-3694]815-377-3694[/url]

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> I agree. If you own them, you may as well use them for now.  I've got
> the same ones on that Van's sent me in what, 2005??  And they're still
> working out.  I think in the last year they are weakening a little,
> but 9 years of flying for almost 1100 hours will do that I guess.
> I have fabric applied to the door, so heavier materials may make
> it worse and lighter materials or no materials may make it better.
> I did paint the doors before applying fabric.
>
> So, you may as well try them.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> On 1/12/2015 3:06 PM, Sean Stephens wrote:
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>> I would try the supplied struts first.  I haven't had any issue with the
>> supplied struts, but I think it depends on how much extra "stuff" is
>> applied to the door interior.
>>
>> -Sean #40303 (waiting for my paint slot to open up)
>>
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>
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:58 am    Post subject: Heavy Duty Gas Strut Installation Reply with quote

Tim, since yours have lasted so long.... do you leave the doors in the open position when the plane is hangared? I try to do this as I think it helps the seals.
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I agree with using the stock struts and see how they work for you. I have had stock struts since the beginning. My doors have the Iflyrv10.com flush door handles that probably add a little bit of weight, but not much. The originals lasted about 5 years and 600 hours and then started getting just a bit weak in cold conditions. They were OK in warm conditions. I ordered new stock struts from Van's a couple of years ago and replaced them at the next condition inspection. They are doing fine. I agree with Jesse in that I don't want to have a door that will not stay down when not latched nor one that springs up aggressively when unlatched.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:09 am    Post subject: Heavy Duty Gas Strut Installation Reply with quote

Hi Don,
Yeah, generally I do. My hangar is sealed up pretty well and I don't
get birds or even much dust in it. So I leave the doors open.
I have closed them for extended periods a bunch of times, mind you,
but in general I leave them open.

I'm not sure why mine have lasted so long, but they have. I'm
sure I've got more hours left in them.

Tim

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:17 am    Post subject: Heavy Duty Gas Strut Installation Reply with quote

Don that's a good thought about leaving them open. Mine lasted about 2 yrs. and then they would barely hold the doors open. My doors had no fabric or additional
Locks at that time also. Heavy duty
Were much better.
As Tim said use the stock ones till they drop
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I agree with using the stock struts and see how they work for you. I have had stock struts since the beginning. My doors have the Iflyrv10.com flush door handles that probably add a little bit of weight, but not much. The originals lasted about 5 years and 600 hours and then started getting just a bit weak in cold conditions. They were OK in warm conditions. I ordered new stock struts from Van's a couple of years ago and replaced them at the next condition inspection. They are doing fine. I agree with Jesse in that I don't want to have a door that will not stay down when not latched nor one that springs up aggressively when unlatched.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:30 am    Post subject: Heavy Duty Gas Strut Installation Reply with quote

my standard struts lasted 4 years and still were ok unless i put the stratus 2 on them. so i replaced them with the heavy-duty ones.
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I agree with using the stock struts and see how they work for you. I have had stock struts since the beginning. My doors have the Iflyrv10.com flush door handles that probably add a little bit of weight, but not much. The originals lasted about 5 years and 600 hours and then started getting just a bit weak in cold conditions. They were OK in warm conditions. I ordered new stock struts from Van's a couple of years ago and replaced them at the next condition inspection. They are doing fine. I agree with Jesse in that I don't want to have a door that will not stay down when not latched nor one that springs up aggressively when unlatched.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:49 am    Post subject: Heavy Duty Gas Strut Installation Reply with quote

Thanks for the great advice and shared experience once again guys.

I'm seeing a progressive end to this project (finally) and hope to meet most of you during my travels to Oshkosh this coming July.

Thanks for all your help over the years.

Warm regards

Patrick

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my standard struts lasted 4 years and still were ok unless i put the stratus 2 on them. so i replaced them with the heavy-duty ones.
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> I agree with using the stock struts and see how they work for you. I have had stock struts since the beginning. My doors have the Iflyrv10.com flush door handles that probably add a little bit of weight, but not much. The originals lasted about 5 years and 600 hours and then started getting just a bit weak in cold conditions. They were OK in warm conditions. I ordered new stock struts from Van's a couple of years ago and replaced them at the next condition inspection. They are doing fine. I agree with Jesse in that I don't want to have a door that will not stay down when not latched nor one that springs up aggressively when unlatched.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:23 pm    Post subject: Heavy Duty Gas Strut Installation Reply with quote

I actually had to start closing the doors. I kept finding dead flying critters in the cabin. I still have a problem with flies in the hangar. It's kind of funny to watch flies that barely have enough energy to fly a foot or two. I'm hoping the single digits we had last week did them all in.

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[quote]Don that's a good thought about leaving them open. Mine lasted about 2 yrs. and then they would barely hold the doors open. My doors had no fabric or additional
Locks at that time also. Heavy duty
Were much better.
As Tim said use the stock ones till they drop
Geoff

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Tim, since yours have lasted so long.... do you leave the doors in the open position when the plane is hangared? I try to do this as I think it helps the seals.
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I agree with using the stock struts and see how they work for you. I have had stock struts since the beginning. My doors have the Iflyrv10.com flush door handles that probably add a little bit of weight, but not much. The originals lasted about 5 years and 600 hours and then started getting just a bit weak in cold conditions. They were OK in warm conditions. I ordered new stock struts from Van's a couple of years ago and replaced them at the next condition inspection. They are doing fine. I agree with Jesse in that I don't want to have a door that will not stay down when not latched nor one that springs up aggressively when unlatched.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 4:32 am    Post subject: Re: Heavy Duty Gas Strut Installation Reply with quote

I have 5 years flying on my stock struts and will be replacing them this spring during my inspection. I keep the doors closed due to dust and to help discourage mud dobbers.

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