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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:05 am    Post subject: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed Reply with quote

Hello,

As I am considering the Europa I would be grateful if you could inform
me about the possibilities of removing and attaching the wings single
handed. I have seen in the manual that this can be done by two people.
However, my requirement is for this to be done single handed, as hangar
space is expensive.

My idea is to go to the airfield, attach the wings on the aircraft, fly
and prior to inserting in the hangar to remove the wings. Is there any
equipment available which enables this to be done single handed with an
Europa? In that case I reckon that the equipment will be bound at the
home base so removing and reattaching wings will not be possible at
other airfields.

Thank you for your reply.

George Nielsen


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:21 am    Post subject: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed Reply with quote

Many gliders and some Europas have a 'one man (woman)' rigging aid. It consists of a wing dolly that can be rotated between vertical and horizontal, while you handle the wing root. I digest you look initially on glider web sites.
Regards
Alan Twigg
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Hello,

As I am considering the Europa I would be grateful if you could inform me about the possibilities of removing and attaching the wings single handed. I have seen in the manual that this can be done by two people. However, my requirement is for this to be done single handed, as hangar space is expensive.

My idea is to go to the airfield, attach the wings on the aircraft, fly and prior to inserting in the hangar to remove the wings. Is there any equipment available which enables this to be done single handed with an Europa? In that case I reckon that the equipment will be bound at the home base so removing and reattaching wings will not be possible at other airfields.

Thank you for your reply.

George Nielsen






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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:43 am    Post subject: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed Reply with quote

On 11 Jan 2015, at 15:04, George Nielsen <genie(at)swissmail.org> wrote:

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As I am considering the Europa I would be grateful if you could inform me about the possibilities of removing and attaching the wings single handed. I have seen in the manual that this can be done by two people. However, my requirement is for this to be done single handed, as hangar space is expensive.

My idea is to go to the airfield, attach the wings on the aircraft, fly and prior to inserting in the hangar to remove the wings. Is there any equipment available which enables this to be done single handed with an Europa? In that case I reckon that the equipment will be bound at the home base so removing and reattaching wings will not be possible at other airfields.

George - yes, one-man (or one-woman) rigging is possible. I’ve been doing quite a bit of that recently while setting up the wing pin sockets; see my photo pages:

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/dolly_transfer.php

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/first_wing_rig.php

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/try_wing_incidence.php

for pictures of the fuselage and wing dollies.

Yes, the rigging kit definitely stays at the departure airfield!

My dollies came with the covered trailer I bought from Roger Huttlestone who operates from an industrial unit near Moreton-in-Marsh. However, I believe that he is no longer making the trailers. It's possible he might consider making the rigging kit if he still has the templates and fixtures.

Please let me know if you would like contact details for Roger (he does seem to be well-known to Google . . . ).

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:02 am    Post subject: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed Reply with quote

Row land, I see you have two dollys, have you found a cheap source, I am being quoted over £500 for one.
Alan Twigg
Kit 463
Getting ready for cockpit trim.

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On 11 Jan 2015, at 15:42, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com> wrote:



> On 11 Jan 2015, at 15:04, George Nielsen <genie(at)swissmail.org> wrote:
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> As I am considering the Europa I would be grateful if you could inform me about the possibilities of removing and attaching the wings single handed. I have seen in the manual that this can be done by two people. However, my requirement is for this to be done single handed, as hangar space is expensive.
>
> My idea is to go to the airfield, attach the wings on the aircraft, fly and prior to inserting in the hangar to remove the wings. Is there any equipment available which enables this to be done single handed with an Europa? In that case I reckon that the equipment will be bound at the home base so removing and reattaching wings will not be possible at other airfields.

George - yes, one-man (or one-woman) rigging is possible. I’ve been doing quite a bit of that recently while setting up the wing pin sockets; see my photo pages:

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/dolly_transfer.php

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/first_wing_rig.php

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/try_wing_incidence.php

for pictures of the fuselage and wing dollies.

Yes, the rigging kit definitely stays at the departure airfield!

My dollies came with the covered trailer I bought from Roger Huttlestone who operates from an industrial unit near Moreton-in-Marsh. However, I believe that he is no longer making the trailers. It's possible he might consider making the rigging kit if he still has the templates and fixtures.

Please let me know if you would like contact details for Roger (he does seem to be well-known to Google . . . ).

in friendship

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:33 am    Post subject: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed Reply with quote

Hi  George
Yes it is straight forward single person rigging as Alan  said. You will need a dolly constructed  that swivels thru 90 degrees  with golf cart wheels etc.  I constructed one ,as I use to rig and de- rig my europa every flight up until  3 or 4  years ago. 
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Hello,

As I am considering the Europa I would be grateful if you could inform
me about the possibilities of removing and attaching the wings single
handed. I have seen in the manual that this can be done by two people.
However, my requirement is for this to be done single handed, as hangar
space is expensive.

My idea is to go to the airfield, attach the wings on the aircraft, fly
and prior to inserting in the hangar to remove the wings. Is there any
equipment available which enables this to be done single handed with an
Europa? In that case I reckon that the equipment will be bound at the
home base so removing and reattaching wings will not be possible at
other airfields.

Thank you for your reply.

George Nielsen

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:42 am    Post subject: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed Reply with quote

Hi! George,
You don't specify Mono Wheel or trike.
However my submissions shown at:-
http://www.users.waitrose.com/~jcliff/BobH/BobH.htm

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:49 am    Post subject: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed Reply with quote

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Row land, I see you have two dollys, have you found a cheap source, I am being quoted over £500 for one.

Alan - I don’t know what proportion of the trailer cost was allocated by Roger Huttlestone to the dollies etc. He gave me a discount on the standard trailer and rigging set price because I fitted the ramp, floored, undersealed and wired the trailer myself, and also provided some manual labour for fitting the roof at his workshop. His bill in November 1999 came to £3850.

If Roger’s not prepared to make the rigging kit any more (I see he’s into car restorations now), I’m sure he wouldn’t mind you taking measurements from mine to prepare a spec for construction by A N Other.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:55 am    Post subject: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed Reply with quote

My rather unsighly but effective set up.  There are two pretty much the same per wing...I copied them from a much neater version but I dont remember who.
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Many gliders and some Europas have a 'one man (woman)' rigging aid. It consists of a wing dolly that can be rotated between vertical and horizontal, while you handle the wing root. I digest you look initially on glider web sites.
Regards
Alan Twigg
MotorGlider
Kit463

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> As I am considering the Europa I would be grateful if you could inform me about the possibilities of removing and attaching the wings single handed. I have seen in the manual that this can be done by two people. However, my requirement is for this to be done single handed, as hangar space is expensive.
>
> My idea is to go to the airfield, attach the wings on the aircraft, fly and prior to inserting in the hangar to remove the wings. Is there any equipment available which enables this to be done single handed with an Europa? In that case I reckon that the equipment will be bound at the home base so removing and reattaching wings will not be possible at other airfields.
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> Thank you for your reply.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:00 pm    Post subject: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed Reply with quote

With the wings off you will need a dolly that quickly attaches and removes. The unit I ginned up has been very robust. I have done full throttle run ups many times with the wings off. With the plane tied to the back of the car of course. See short video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHYtCRwemiA

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:20 am    Post subject: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed Reply with quote

Alan
have a look at Andreas Doblhof's one man rig. Five minutes when I watched him do it
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Row land, I see you have two dollys, have you found a cheap source, I am being quoted over £500 for one.
Alan Twigg
Kit 463
Getting ready for cockpit trim.

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On 11 Jan 2015, at 15:42, Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com (rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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> On 11 Jan 2015, at 15:04, George Nielsen <genie(at)swissmail.org (genie(at)swissmail.org)> wrote:
>
> As I am considering the Europa I would be grateful if you could inform me about the possibilities of removing and attaching the wings single handed. I have seen in the manual that this can be done by two people. However, my requirement is for this to be done single handed, as hangar space is expensive.
>
> My idea is to go to the airfield, attach the wings on the aircraft, fly and prior to inserting in the hangar to remove the wings. Is there any equipment available which enables this to be done single handed with an Europa? In that case I reckon that the equipment will be bound at the home base so removing and reattaching wings will not be possible at other airfields.

George - yes, one-man (or one-woman) rigging is possible. I’ve been doing quite a bit of that recently while setting up the wing pin sockets; see my photo pages:

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/dolly_transfer.php

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/first_wing_rig.php

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/try_wing_incidence.php

for pictures of the fuselage and wing dollies.

Yes, the rigging kit definitely stays at the departure airfield!

My dollies came with the covered trailer I bought from Roger Huttlestone who operates from an industrial unit near Moreton-in-Marsh. However, I believe that he is no longer making the trailers. It's possible he might consider making the rigging kit if he still has the templates and fixtures.

Please let me know if you would like contact details for Roger (he does seem to be well-known to Google . . . ).

in friendship

Rowland

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:27 am    Post subject: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed Reply with quote

Hi Graham,                   Is there anymore info on this system, I can't figure it out.
Cheers
Jim Kelly G-BWEG

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[quote]Alan
have a look at Andreas Doblhof's one man rig. Five minutes when I watched him do it
Graham


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Row land, I see you have two dollys, have you found a cheap source, I am being quoted over £500 for one.
Alan Twigg
Kit 463
Getting ready for cockpit trim.

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On 11 Jan 2015, at 15:42, Rowland Carson <[url=javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com');]rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com[/url]> wrote:

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> On 11 Jan 2015, at 15:04, George Nielsen <[url=javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','genie(at)swissmail.org');]genie(at)swissmail.org[/url]> wrote:
>
> As I am considering the Europa I would be grateful if you could inform me about the possibilities of removing and attaching the wings single handed. I have seen in the manual that this can be done by two people. However, my requirement is for this to be done single handed, as hangar space is expensive.
>
> My idea is to go to the airfield, attach the wings on the aircraft, fly and prior to inserting in the hangar to remove the wings. Is there any equipment available which enables this to be done single handed with an Europa? In that case I reckon that the equipment will be bound at the home base so removing and reattaching wings will not be possible at other airfields.

George - yes, one-man (or one-woman) rigging is possible. I’ve been doing quite a bit of that recently while setting up the wing pin sockets; see my photo pages:

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/dolly_transfer.php

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/first_wing_rig.php

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/try_wing_incidence.php

for pictures of the fuselage and wing dollies.

Yes, the rigging kit definitely stays at the departure airfield!

My dollies came with the covered trailer I bought from Roger Huttlestone who operates from an industrial unit near Moreton-in-Marsh. However, I believe that he is no longer making the trailers. It's possible he might consider making the rigging kit if he still has the templates and fixtures.

Please let me know if you would like contact details for Roger (he does seem to be well-known to Google . . . ).

in friendship

Rowland

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:38 pm    Post subject: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed Reply with quote

Hi Rob,

You are right: I did not specify monowheel, nosewheel or conventional
tailwheel. That is because I am flexible, as it may be that with one
configuration it is easier to remove and attach the wings. However, I
doubt whether this is the case. The replies I received have indeed given
me the impression that the type of undercarriage does not make much
difference in this respect.

The configuration I am most inclined to get is monowheel, as it is the
most efficient in flight as it is retractable. Thus it makes bes use of
the space between the two seats.

Thanks to all of you who replied.

George Nielsen

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You don't specify Mono Wheel or trike.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:03 pm    Post subject: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed Reply with quote

Rowland, thank you for your replies and the links to photos.

I have found the following about Roger Huttlestone:

Unit 103b Northwick Busns Cntr
Moreton-In-Marsh, Gloucestershire GL56 9RF
United Kingdom
tel: +44 1386700709

See:

http://transportation.zibb.co.uk/profile/roger+huttlestone/gb/gloucestershire/moreton-in-marsh/gl56+9rf/23710237

Roger has entries in LinedIn, Facebook and Twitter.

Considering the fact that this is a company I am surprised that it does not have any URL. I could not find any e-mail address either. But that is understandable, as putting one would make one vulnerable to Web trawling, spam and what not.

George Nielsen

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As I am considering the Europa I would be grateful if you could inform me about
the possibilities of removing and attaching the wings single handed. I have
seen in the manual that this can be done by two people. However, my requirement
is for this to be done single handed, as hangar space is expensive.
Quote:

My idea is to go to the airfield, attach the wings on the aircraft, fly and prior
to inserting in the hangar to remove the wings. Is there any equipment available
which enables this to be done single handed with an Europa? In that case
I reckon that the equipment will be bound at the home base so removing and
reattaching wings will not be possible at other airfields.

George - yes, one-man (or one-woman) rigging is possible. Ive been doing quite
a bit of that recently while setting up the wing pin sockets; see my photo pages:

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/dolly_transfer.php

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/first_wing_rig.php

http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/try_wing_incidence.php

for pictures of the fuselage and wing dollies.

Yes, the rigging kit definitely stays at the departure airfield!

My dollies came with the covered trailer I bought from Roger Huttlestone who operates
from an industrial unit near Moreton-in-Marsh. However, I believe that
he is no longer making the trailers. It's possible he might consider making the
rigging kit if he still has the templates and fixtures.

Please let me know if you would like contact details for Roger (he does seem to
be well-known to Google . . . ).

in friendship

Rowland

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:49 am    Post subject: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed Reply with quote

Hi George,

If you remove the wings on a Mono and do nothing else, it falls over. If
you do the same thing on a Trigear or conventional, nothing happens!

I think this makes a significant difference to the ease of the process.

Ex Mono, now Trigear

Brian Davies

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:54 pm    Post subject: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed Reply with quote

Hi Jim,

This is what I found about Andreas Doblhof's system:

http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=46082

http://sdunsmuir.net/EuropaOwners/public_html/Galley3/Builders-Album/Dolly/Andreas-Doblhof-s-rigging-system/Andreas_Doblhof_home

The Europa sports the Austrian flag on its fin and the vehicle has
similarly an Austrian number plate.

George Nielsen

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Time: 04:27:41 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Removing and Attaching Wings Single Handed
From: James Kelly <europajimkelly(at)gmail.com>

Hi Graham,
Is there anymore info on this system, I can't figure it
out.
Cheers
Jim Kelly G-BWEG

On Monday, January 12, 2015, GRAHAM SINGLETON <
grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com> wrote:

> Alan
> have a look at Andreas Doblhof's one man rig. Five minutes when I watched
> him do it
> Graham
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> Row land, I see you have two dollys, have you found a cheap source, I am
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