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Cassel

Joined: 02 Jan 2014
Posts: 21
Location: Norway

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:44 am Post subject: Flying in Europe

Hi all,Â 



To fly across Europe with Europa is very fascinating. Every year new goals are literally on the map.

This yearÂ´s summer event has been setup to Greece, via Italy and return via Croatia, Slovenia and so forth. Around the Adriatic sea in other words. What a trip. (next year it will be UK again)

Then I start to think after I talked to another Europa friend in Sweden: Is Greece and Croatia valid for Experimental (annex 2) ?Â 

I remember a list that states valid countries that accept annex 2. I think it was David Joyce that distributed a list some years a go. IÂ´m not sure.Â 

There is one thing if you can visit Â a country that does notÂ acceptÂ annex 2 but does not care less ifÂ 

you land, i.e does not check type of aircraft but there is another story if something happens.

I know lots of pilots, with annex 2 aircrafts, that have visit such countries but what are the rules today?

Any information would be most welcome. (I have google the net without any luck)





Best regardsÂ 

Stephan Cassel

LN-STE Mono - NorwayÂ 

 



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alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk
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Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:21 pm Post subject: Flying in Europe

The LAA have published this leaflet for UK Permit Aircraft

http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/TechnicalLeaflets/Operating%20An%20Aircraft/TL%202.08%20Travelling%20abroad%20in%20a%20Permit%20Aircraft.pdf

It lists Greece as information to be obtained.

What the rules are for non-UK permit aircraft would I suppose depend on your national authorities.

Alan



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On 25 Feb 2015, at 18:43, stephan cassel <stephan.cassel(at)gmail.com (stephan.cassel(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]Hi all, 



To fly across Europe with Europa is very fascinating. Every year new goals are literally on the map.

This yearÂ´s summer event has been setup to Greece, via Italy and return via Croatia, Slovenia and so forth. Around the Adriatic sea in other words. What a trip. (next year it will be UK again)

Then I start to think after I talked to another Europa friend in Sweden: Is Greece and Croatia valid for Experimental (annex 2) ? 

I remember a list that states valid countries that accept annex 2. I think it was David Joyce that distributed a list some years a go. IÂ´m not sure. 

There is one thing if you can visit  a country that does not accept annex 2 but does not care less if 

you land, i.e does not check type of aircraft but there is another story if something happens.

I know lots of pilots, with annex 2 aircrafts, that have visit such countries but what are the rules today?

Any information would be most welcome. (I have google the net without any luck)





Best regards 

Stephan Cassel

LN-STE Mono - Norway 

 



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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:25 am Post subject: Flying in Europe

Stephen, You will find a section giving details of country requirements for Permit aircrfat in European countries on the club website under Flying - Flying in Europe. I have updated this from time to time (most recently at the end of 2014) by writing to the CAAs of those countries that have not previously agreed free passage. I suspect it is more up to date than the LAA list Regards, David Joyce, Europa Club Trips organiser.  

 

On 2015-02-25 18:43, stephan cassel wrote: [quote] Hi all,   

 To fly across Europe with Europa is very fascinating. Every year new goals are literally on the map.

 This year´s summer event has been setup to Greece, via Italy and return via Croatia, Slovenia and so forth. Around the Adriatic sea in other words. What a trip. (next year it will be UK again)

  

 Then I start to think after I talked to another Europa friend in Sweden: Is Greece and Croatia valid for Experimental (annex 2) ? 

  

 I remember a list that states valid countries that accept annex 2. I think it was David Joyce that distributed a list some years a go. I´m not sure. 

  

 There is one thing if you can visit  a country that does not accept annex 2 but does not care less if 

 you land, i.e does not check type of aircraft but there is another story if something happens.

  

 I know lots of pilots, with annex 2 aircrafts, that have visit such countries but what are the rules today?

  

 Any information would be most welcome. (I have google the net without any luck)

  

  

  Best regards 

 Stephan Cassel

 LN-STE Mono - Norway 

 

 

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ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List

ics.com

.matronics.com/contribution



	
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http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List

Cassel

Joined: 02 Jan 2014
Posts: 21
Location: Norway

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:05 am Post subject: Flying in Europe

Thanks Alan for your link.

Yesterday I found a well compiled document of this subject, written for microlights:

http://emf.aero/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/MLA_flying_in_Europe1.pdf



That is a good complement to the LAA document.

I understand that experimental and microlights are treated about the same with some exceptions.Â  I know about two: Denmark and Sweden. Both accept experimental without approval. Micro pilots,on the other hand, need to send an application before enter these countries.

Regards

StephanÂ 

 

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Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

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davidjoyce(at)doctors.org
Guest

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:49 am Post subject: Flying in Europe

Alan, Having looked at this, I can assure you it is well out of date! (And the LAA have told me they have given up trying to update it). The list on the club website (www.theeuropaclub.org  -> Flying -> Flying in Europe, in case you do not know it). The section on the Club website (www.theeuropaclub.org -> Flying -> Flying in Europe, in case anyone is not familiar with it), is up to date to the end of last year. I have periodically written to all CAAs of countries that had not already confirmed that they allow free passage without prior permission and my last set of enquiries was not long before Christmas. Whilst there, have a look around the site. If you know a better source of weather info for Europe, I would be interested to hear of it! 

Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ  

 

On 2015-02-25 20:20, Dpy01 wrote: [quote] The LAA have published this leaflet for UK Permit Aircraft

  

 http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/TechnicalLeaflets/Operating%20An%20Aircraft/TL%202.08%20Travelling%20abroad%20in%20a%20Permit%20Aircraft.pdf

  

 It lists Greece as information to be obtained.

  

 What the rules are for non-UK permit aircraft would I suppose depend on your national authorities.

  

 AlanSent from my iPad

 On 25 Feb 2015, at 18:43, stephan cassel <stephan.cassel(at)gmail.com (stephan.cassel(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		    Hi all,   

 To fly across Europe with Europa is very fascinating. Every year new goals are literally on the map.

 This year´s summer event has been setup to Greece, via Italy and return via Croatia, Slovenia and so forth. Around the Adriatic sea in other words. What a trip. (next year it will be UK again)

  

 Then I start to think after I talked to another Europa friend in Sweden: Is Greece and Croatia valid for Experimental (annex 2) ? 

  

 I remember a list that states valid countries that accept annex 2. I think it was David Joyce that distributed a list some years a go. I´m not sure. 

  

 There is one thing if you can visit  a country that does not accept annex 2 but does not care less if 

 you land, i.e does not check type of aircraft but there is another story if something happens.

  

 I know lots of pilots, with annex 2 aircrafts, that have visit such countries but what are the rules today?

  

 Any information would be most welcome. (I have google the net without any luck)

  

  

  Best regards 

 Stephan Cassel

 LN-STE Mono - Norway 

 

 

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alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk
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Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:22 pm Post subject: Flying in Europe

Thanks David I had not been aware of your list will refer too it I. The future.

I have several resources for Wx but not to hand at this time. I'll have a look at what's there and see if I have anything different.

Alan



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On 26 Feb 2015, at 18:48, davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk (davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk) wrote:

[quote]  

  

Alan, Having looked at this, I can assure you it is well out of date! (And the LAA have told me they have given up trying to update it). The list on the club website (www.theeuropaclub.org  -> Flying -> Flying in Europe, in case you do not know it). The section on the Club website (www.theeuropaclub.org -> Flying -> Flying in Europe, in case anyone is not familiar with it), is up to date to the end of last year. I have periodically written to all CAAs of countries that had not already confirmed that they allow free passage without prior permission and my last set of enquiries was not long before Christmas. Whilst there, have a look around the site. If you know a better source of weather info for Europe, I would be interested to hear of it! 

Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ  

 

On 2015-02-25 20:20, Dpy01 wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		   The LAA have published this leaflet for UK Permit Aircraft

  

 http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co.uk/engineering/TechnicalLeaflets/Operating%20An%20Aircraft/TL%202.08%20Travelling%20abroad%20in%20a%20Permit%20Aircraft.pdf

  

 It lists Greece as information to be obtained.

  

 What the rules are for non-UK permit aircraft would I suppose depend on your national authorities.

  

 Alan



Sent from my iPad

 

On 25 Feb 2015, at 18:43, stephan cassel <stephan.cassel(at)gmail.com (stephan.cassel(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		    Hi all,   

 To fly across Europe with Europa is very fascinating. Every year new goals are literally on the map.

 This yearÂ´s summer event has been setup to Greece, via Italy and return via Croatia, Slovenia and so forth. Around the Adriatic sea in other words. What a trip. (next year it will be UK again)

  

 Then I start to think after I talked to another Europa friend in Sweden: Is Greece and Croatia valid for Experimental (annex 2) ? 

  

 I remember a list that states valid countries that accept annex 2. I think it was David Joyce that distributed a list some years a go. IÂ´m not sure. 

  

 There is one thing if you can visit  a country that does not accept annex 2 but does not care less if 

 you land, i.e does not check type of aircraft but there is another story if something happens.

  

 I know lots of pilots, with annex 2 aircrafts, that have visit such countries but what are the rules today?

  

 Any information would be most welcome. (I have google the net without any luck)

  

  

  Best regards 

 Stephan Cassel

 LN-STE Mono - Norway 

 

 

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Cassel

Joined: 02 Jan 2014
Posts: 21
Location: Norway

Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:12 am Post subject: Flying in Europe

Thanks David,



Excellent work.Â 

Why I have not checked our clubÂ´s website first I do not know.

Regards,

Stephan

LN-STE

 



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