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cjaviator



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:03 pm    Post subject: V530 hub query Reply with quote
Hi all,being more conversant in things Nanchang and Haosai related, I have a customer looking to buy an M-14PF engine that has a 'B' or western prop flange.
He wants to put a V530 hub on it with Whirlwind blades.
Can anyone confirm for me if the V530 hub is now made with a western style prop flange rather than the original splined flange?
Thanks, Jay
New Zealand

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:32 pm    Post subject: V530 hub query Reply with quote
Jay,All M14P (papa) have flanged crank
All M14B (bravo) have splined crank
V530 hub will fit P only
J9-G1 (285 hp) splined hub will fit B, but not sure about the use of V530 BLADES in J9-G1 hub.  As I recall it has been done but I cannot tell you the outcome.  There are a few CJ's flying here with M14B and J9-G1 propellers, some say they are much faster at the same power setting than the M14P powered CJs.
I have 2 sets of V530 blades (with logs) in stock if needed.
Doug
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Jay McIntyre <cjaviator(at)gmail.com (cjaviator(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]Hi all,being more conversant in things Nanchang and Haosai related, I have a customer looking to buy an M-14PF engine that has a 'B' or western prop flange.
He wants to put a V530 hub on it with Whirlwind blades.
Can anyone confirm for me if the V530 hub is now made with a western style prop flange rather than the original splined flange?
Thanks, Jay
New Zealand

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:20 pm    Post subject: Re: V530 hub query Reply with quote
Thanks Doug....
Sorry - i should have used the term 'serrated' instead of 'splined' when referring to the hub mounting method.

So the question should have been: 'Can anyone confirm for me if the V530 hub is now made with a western style prop flange rather than the original serrated flange?'

The engine he is looking to buy has a 'B' or western style prop flange which I understand to be similar to the Hartzell mounting method.

regards, Jay

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:52 pm    Post subject: V530 hub query Reply with quote
George Coy at Gesoco in Vermont can get you a spline prop shaft to replace the western prop shaft. Then you can have him ship it to Jill and Carl at M14P and ship the nose case to them and they will do the swap for you. I know as I have done just that.

Alternatively, switch to a MTV-9 prop that comes with your flange of choice.

Royden
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Hi all,
being more conversant in things Nanchang and Haosai related, I have a customer looking to buy an M-14PF engine that has a 'B' or western prop flange.
He wants to put a V530 hub on it with Whirlwind blades.

Can anyone confirm for me if the V530 hub is now made with a western style prop flange rather than the original splined flange?



Thanks, Jay
New Zealand



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:29 pm    Post subject: V530 hub query Reply with quote
Jay, we can supply a "reverse" adapter that will allow a V530 hub to mount on a western (SAE) flanged or electric start engine.

George Coy

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Thanks Doug....
Sorry - i should have used the term 'serrated' instead of 'splined' when referring to the hub mounting method.

So the question should have been: 'Can anyone confirm for me if the V530 hub is now made with a western style prop flange rather than the original serrated flange?'

The engine he is looking to buy has a 'B' or western style prop flange which I understand to be similar to the Hartzell mounting method.

regards, Jay




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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:47 pm    Post subject: V530 hub query Reply with quote
There is some confusion here, possibly because there is a "B" engine and also a "B" propeller flange in MT descriptions. So to confirm:

*The AI 14 (260 hp); the HS6 (285 horsepower) and the (quite rare) M 14 B engine (360 hp) all have a propeller shaft with longitudinal splines.

*The M 14 P and PF have a propeller shaft with a six bolt flat "plate".

*However, this "plate" either has the original Russian radial splines, and in terms of MT terminology is the "K" flange, or an American SAE (for example Lycoming) flat flange, called "B" in MT terminology. These two are interchangeable, but the gearbox needs to be disassembled to do this.

*MT propellers were originally made with only the SAE "B" flange, and in order to fit this onto the Russian propeller shaft, an adapter between engine and propeller was used. With encouragement from us, and presumably others, MT then brought out the "K" flange which could be bolted to the original Russian "plate" type flange without an adapter.

*To the best of my knowledge, you cannot put the shaft with longitudinal spines (as on M 14 B engine) onto the P or PF engine .

*So, when Jay refers to an engine that has a "B" flange, he is using the MT terminology – i.e. the engine has the SAE (Lycoming) flange – and he wants to put on the Russian V-530 hub. However, this hub was only made to be used with the Russian flat flange with radial splines. So, if he wants to go down this route he needs to change the output flange on the gearbox.

*We, and of course others in the US, can change this output shaft.

Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW

Tel:  +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com


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Sent: 20 April 2015 02:52
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: V530 hub query

George Coy at Gesoco in Vermont can get you a spline prop shaft to replace the western prop shaft. Then you can have him ship it to Jill and Carl at M14P and ship the nose case to them and they will do the swap for you. I know as I have done just that.

Alternatively, switch to a MTV-9 prop that comes with your flange of choice.

Royden
A Kiwi in Canada

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Jay McIntyre
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 3:02 PM
To: yak list
Subject: V530 hub query

Hi all,
being more conversant in things Nanchang and Haosai related, I have a customer looking to buy an M-14PF engine that has a 'B' or western prop flange.
He wants to put a V530 hub on it with Whirlwind blades.

Can anyone confirm for me if the V530 hub is now made with a western style prop flange rather than the original splined flange?



Thanks, Jay
New Zealand



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:06 am    Post subject: V530 hub query Reply with quote
Richard you are quite right regards the descriptions but we do make what we called reverse adapter flange which has the Western flange and converts it to the Russian V530 propeller. We have supplied several of these to people who wish to run a western propeller flange for the electric start and still use the original V530 propeller
George
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On Apr 20, 2015, at 3:45 AM, Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)> wrote:
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There is some confusion here, possibly because there is a "B" engine and also a "B" propeller flange in MT descriptions. So to confirm:

*The AI 14 (260 hp); the HS6 (285 horsepower) and the (quite rare) M 14 B engine (360 hp) all have a propeller shaft with longitudinal splines.

*The M 14 P and PF have a propeller shaft with a six bolt flat "plate".

*However, this "plate" either has the original Russian radial splines, and in terms of MT terminology is the "K" flange, or an American SAE (for example Lycoming) flat flange, called "B" in MT terminology. These two are interchangeable, but the gearbox needs to be disassembled to do this.

*MT propellers were originally made with only the SAE "B" flange, and in order to fit this onto the Russian propeller shaft, an adapter between engine and propeller was used. With encouragement from us, and presumably others, MT then brought out the "K" flange which could be bolted to the original Russian "plate" type flange without an adapter.

*To the best of my knowledge, you cannot put the shaft with longitudinal spines (as on M 14 B engine) onto the P or PF engine .

*So, when Jay refers to an engine that has a "B" flange, he is using the MT terminology – i.e. the engine has the SAE (Lycoming) flange – and he wants to put on the Russian V-530 hub. However, this hub was only made to be used with the Russian flat flange with radial splines. So, if he wants to go down this route he needs to change the output flange on the gearbox.

*We, and of course others in the US, can change this output shaft.

Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW

Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com

 
From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Royden Heays
Sent: 20 April 2015 02:52
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: V530 hub query

George Coy at Gesoco in Vermont can get you a spline prop shaft to replace the western prop shaft. Then you can have him ship it to Jill and Carl at M14P and ship the nose case to them and they will do the swap for you. I know as I have done just that.

Alternatively, switch to a MTV-9 prop that comes with your flange of choice.

Royden
A Kiwi in Canada

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Jay McIntyre
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 3:02 PM
To: yak list
Subject: V530 hub query

Hi all,
being more conversant in things Nanchang and Haosai related, I have a customer looking to buy an M-14PF engine that has a 'B' or western prop flange.
He wants to put a V530 hub on it with Whirlwind blades.

Can anyone confirm for me if the V530 hub is now made with a western style prop flange rather than the original splined flange?



Thanks, Jay
New Zealand



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:51 am    Post subject: V530 hub query Reply with quote
George – you are correct, and I have seen them in Romania, but had forgotten! So that is a simple way of joining a Russian hub (whether V-530 or MT) to an SAE flange.

Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW

Tel:  +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com


From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Coy
Sent: 20 April 2015 13:05
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: V530 hub query

Richard you are quite right regards the descriptions but we do make what we called reverse adapter flange which has the Western flange and converts it to the Russian V530 propeller. We have supplied several of these to people who wish to run a western propeller flange for the electric start and still use the original V530 propeller
George
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 20, 2015, at 3:45 AM, Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com (richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com)> wrote:
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There is some confusion here, possibly because there is a "B" engine and also a "B" propeller flange in MT descriptions. So to confirm:

*The AI 14 (260 hp); the HS6 (285 horsepower) and the (quite rare) M 14 B engine (360 hp) all have a propeller shaft with longitudinal splines.

*The M 14 P and PF have a propeller shaft with a six bolt flat "plate".

*However, this "plate" either has the original Russian radial splines, and in terms of MT terminology is the "K" flange, or an American SAE (for example Lycoming) flat flange, called "B" in MT terminology. These two are interchangeable, but the gearbox needs to be disassembled to do this.

*MT propellers were originally made with only the SAE "B" flange, and in order to fit this onto the Russian propeller shaft, an adapter between engine and propeller was used. With encouragement from us, and presumably others, MT then brought out the "K" flange which could be bolted to the original Russian "plate" type flange without an adapter.

*To the best of my knowledge, you cannot put the shaft with longitudinal spines (as on M 14 B engine) onto the P or PF engine .

*So, when Jay refers to an engine that has a "B" flange, he is using the MT terminology – i.e. the engine has the SAE (Lycoming) flange – and he wants to put on the Russian V-530 hub. However, this hub was only made to be used with the Russian flat flange with radial splines. So, if he wants to go down this route he needs to change the output flange on the gearbox.

*We, and of course others in the US, can change this output shaft.

Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW

Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com


From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Royden Heays
Sent: 20 April 2015 02:52
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: RE: V530 hub query

George Coy at Gesoco in Vermont can get you a spline prop shaft to replace the western prop shaft. Then you can have him ship it to Jill and Carl at M14P and ship the nose case to them and they will do the swap for you. I know as I have done just that.

Alternatively, switch to a MTV-9 prop that comes with your flange of choice.

Royden
A Kiwi in Canada

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Jay McIntyre
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 3:02 PM
To: yak list
Subject: V530 hub query

Hi all,
being more conversant in things Nanchang and Haosai related, I have a customer looking to buy an M-14PF engine that has a 'B' or western prop flange.
He wants to put a V530 hub on it with Whirlwind blades.

Can anyone confirm for me if the V530 hub is now made with a western style prop flange rather than the original splined flange?



Thanks, Jay
New Zealand



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:09 am    Post subject: V530 hub query Reply with quote
Thank you George and Richard, I learned something new this morning, great
way to start the week! Sorry my confusion muddied the waters.

Doug

On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 5:50 AM, Richard Goode <
richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com> wrote:

[quote] George – you are correct, and I have seen them in Romania, but had
forgotten! So that is a simple way of joining a Russian hub (whether V-530
or MT) to an SAE flange.

Richard Goode Aerobatics

Rhodds Farm

Lyonshall

Hereford

HR5 3LW

Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120

Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129

www.russianaeros.com

*From:* owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:
owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *George Coy
*Sent:* 20 April 2015 13:05
*To:* yak-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Re: V530 hub query

Richard you are quite right regards the descriptions but we do make what
we called reverse adapter flange which has the Western flange and converts
it to the Russian V530 propeller. We have supplied several of these to
people who wish to run a western propeller flange for the electric start
and still use the original V530 propeller
George
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 20, 2015, at 3:45 AM, Richard Goode <richard.goode(at)russianaeros.com>
wrote:

There is some confusion here, possibly because there is a "B" engine and
also a "B" propeller flange in MT descriptions. So to confirm:

*The AI 14 (260 hp); the HS6 (285 horsepower) and the (quite rare) M 14 B
engine (360 hp) all have a propeller shaft with longitudinal splines.

*The M 14 P and PF have a propeller shaft with a six bolt flat "plate".

*However, this "plate" either has the original Russian radial splines, and
in terms of MT terminology is the "K" flange, or an American SAE (for
example Lycoming) flat flange, called "B" in MT terminology. These two are
interchangeable, but the gearbox needs to be disassembled to do this.

*MT propellers were originally made with only the SAE "B" flange, and in
order to fit this onto the Russian propeller shaft, an adapter between
engine and propeller was used. With encouragement from us, and presumably
others, MT then brought out the "K" flange which could be bolted to the
original Russian "plate" type flange without an adapter.

*To the best of my knowledge, you cannot put the shaft with longitudinal
spines (as on M 14 B engine) onto the P or PF engine .

*So, when Jay refers to an engine that has a "B" flange, he is using the
MT terminology – i.e. the engine has the SAE (Lycoming) flange – and he
wants to put on the Russian V-530 hub. However, this hub was only made to
be used with the Russian flat flange with radial splines. So, if he wants
to go down this route he needs to change the output flange on the gearbox

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