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rv10rob(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 7:24 pm Post subject: How long does your annual take?

I'm curious how long (on average) everyone spends on their annual (or condition inspection, for the pedantic).Â  I"m not including maintenance or upgrade deferred to annual time--just the inspection and tests.Â  I'm probably at a good day and a half, which extends to two full days if you include the oil change and a few other items.Â  Seems like a really long time, so curious if that's typical. Â 



-Rob



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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 7:48 pm Post subject: How long does your annual take?

Well, 



Not having done one on the 10 yet....



Before I got my A&P, used to do owner assisted annuals on a Cessna 170 in about 8 hours.



When I bought a Mooney, I would spend about 2 days, sign off 100 hour and take to IA, open everything back up for him to inspect, put it back together for total of about 6 hours where nothing was done but look inside inspection panels, check compression, timing and gear swing. Once I got my IA I did the annuals in maybe a day and half, but spread out a bit more because I wasn't paying anyone's labor and I had the time.



I expect the 10 will be 12-15 hours to do the first few. No gear to do much with besides nose gear tensions. But more to open up and inspect/maintain in terms of the tunnel, wheel pants and fairings, as well as more avionics.



Just spent an hour today showing an RV-8 owner how to update firmware and navdata on his new Skyview system.



I must be getting close to finishing...spending almost as much time fixing stuff and installing new stuff. One of my lift struts broke yesterday. Not confidence inspiring, since it was just holding the door open.

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]I'm curious how long (on average) everyone spends on their annual (or condition inspection, for the pedantic).Â  I"m not including maintenance or upgrade deferred to annual time--just the inspection and tests.Â  I'm probably at a good day and a half, which extends to two full days if you include the oil change and a few other items.Â  Seems like a really long time, so curious if that's typical. Â 



-Rob



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RV-10 Flying since March 2011

 Woodinville, WA

 http://kochman.net/N819K



 



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Dave Saylor

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Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 9:19 pm Post subject: How long does your annual take?

Rob,



To pull all the fairings, open the tunnel, tailcone, wingtips, pull the interior, grease the wheel bearings, all the service stuff, etc, I'd say two days is pretty good.Â  I just finished the eighth one on mine and it took longer than that, but I had a few repair items, too: Â nose gear SB and changed the engine dampers, changed a caliper oring, replaced the EFIS battery.Â  All that was about 30 hours.

--Dave



On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]I'm curious how long (on average) everyone spends on their annual (or condition inspection, for the pedantic).Â  I"m not including maintenance or upgrade deferred to annual time--just the inspection and tests.Â  I'm probably at a good day and a half, which extends to two full days if you include the oil change and a few other items.Â  Seems like a really long time, so curious if that's typical. Â 



-Rob



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RV-10 Flying since March 2011

 Woodinville, WA

 http://kochman.net/N819K



 



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Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 9:22 pm Post subject: How long does your annual take?

When I do mine, it takes a good weekend plus a few nights....  That includes removal of all panels, oil change, etc....  

Two days is a little short in my experience.....



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On May 1, 2015, at 11:20 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]I'm curious how long (on average) everyone spends on their annual (or condition inspection, for the pedantic).  I"m not including maintenance or upgrade deferred to annual time--just the inspection and tests.  I'm probably at a good day and a half, which extends to two full days if you include the oil change and a few other items.  Seems like a really long time, so curious if that's typical.  



-Rob



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 http://kochman.net/N819K



 



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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 3:37 am Post subject: How long does your annual take?

I've done probably 30 condition inspections on -10's. If I have an extra set of hands or two, I can do it in a solid day. Alone, it takes two days. As others have said, a good bit of time is spent just removing panels and fairings. The worst part of the job is greasing the wheel bearings, which takes a lot of time and is usually a very messy job. 

The -10 takes more time, probably, than a Cherokee 235 I just did. The Cherokee just doesn't have that many inspection panels, so there are a lot of areas you can't inspect well. On the -10, for a thorough inspection, you need to remove about 1,000 screws, it seems like. Just removing the fairings and putting them back on is half the inspection time, probably. 



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

352-427-0285

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

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On May 1, 2015, at 11:20 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]I'm curious how long (on average) everyone spends on their annual (or condition inspection, for the pedantic).  I"m not including maintenance or upgrade deferred to annual time--just the inspection and tests.  I'm probably at a good day and a half, which extends to two full days if you include the oil change and a few other items.  Seems like a really long time, so curious if that's typical.  



-Rob



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RV-10 Flying since March 2011

 Woodinville, WA

 http://kochman.net/N819K



 



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rene(at)felker.com
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Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 6:32 am Post subject: How long does your annual take?

By myself, I might get it done in 16 hours.Â  But it is hard to measure since I always have something to do on my to do list and while I have all the fairings off I clean and wax them, etc.Â  And of course, you are doing this at an airport, so everybody visits when they see your carâ€¦â€¦â€¦one of the more enjoyable aspects of â€œworkingâ€ at the airport.

 

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I'm curious how long (on average) everyone spends on their annual (or condition inspection, for the pedantic).  I"m not including maintenance or upgrade deferred to annual time--just the inspection and tests.  I'm probably at a good day and a half, which extends to two full days if you include the oil change and a few other items.  Seems like a really long time, so curious if that's typical.  

 



-Rob

 



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Rocketman1988

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Posted: Sat May 02, 2015 10:44 am Post subject: Re: How long does your annual take?

This is an interesting thread to get a general idea.



I would say, though, that it takes as long as it needs to.  When you are satisfied that everything is done to your liking, then it is done.  It isn't a race...

AirMike

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 1:53 pm Post subject: How long does your annual take?

I usually figure three full days (24 hrs), but I am old - fat - and slow. Really though I try to do a very thorough job. I do the wheel bearings every other year. I also clean and polish everything when it is apart. I have the A&P 2x check my engine work - this is really important to me as they look at this stuff all the time. This year he caught a nut on the alternator missing. There is almost always a squak that needs extra time, example are fuel leaks, cranky electronics, static check, wheel pant damage, worn out tires, new brake linings, buggered/stuck screw, etc.

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Mike Whisky

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Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 3:27 am Post subject: Re: How long does your annual take?

My first 100h check took almost four days but included some fixes and the nose gear SB. Removing and installing all the panels exterior and interior eats time. I plan for three days. 



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rv10rob(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 12:53 pm Post subject: How long does your annual take?

Thanks, everyone... glad it's not just me.  I think the right long-term

solution is for my kids to grow up to the point they can turn a screwdriver

Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 1:07 pm Post subject: How long does your annual take?

A power screwdriver with adjustable torque works wonders. Just be sure 

to break free each screw 1/8 of turn or so before applying power.



On 5/4/2015 1:50 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:

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		   Thanks, everyone... glad it's not just me.  I think the right 

 long-term solution is for my kids to grow up to the point they can 

 turn a screwdriver.



 On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Rene <rene(at)felker.com 

 <mailto:rene(at)felker.com>> wrote:



     By myself, I might get it done in 16 hours.  But it is hard to

     measure since I always have something to do on my to do list and

     while I have all the fairings off I clean and wax them, etc.  And

     of course, you are doing this at an airport, so everybody visits

     when they see your carâ€¦â€¦â€¦one of the more enjoyable aspects of

     â€œworkingâ€ at the airport.



     Rene'



     801-721-6080 <tel:801-721-6080>



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     Kochman

     *Sent:* Friday, May 01, 2015 9:21 PM

     *To:* rv10-list

     *Subject:* How long does your annual take?



     I'm curious how long (on average) everyone spends on their annual

     (or condition inspection, for the pedantic).  I"m not including

     maintenance or upgrade deferred to annual time--just the

     inspection and tests.  I'm probably at a good day and a half,

     which extends to two full days if you include the oil change and a

     few other items.  Seems like a really long time, so curious if

     that's typical.



     -Rob



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     RV-10 Flying since March 2011



     Woodinville, WA



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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 2:25 pm Post subject: How long does your annual take?

I put my 12-year-old to work one day per week already. He's perfect for opening panels and for crawling in the tailcones for inspection, lubrication and fabrication. I've even used my 8-year-old a few times. 



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

352-427-0285

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

Sent from my iPad



On May 4, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]Thanks, everyone... glad it's not just me.  I think the right long-term solution is for my kids to grow up to the point they can turn a screwdriver.



On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Rene <rene(at)felker.com (rene(at)felker.com)> wrote:

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By myself, I might get it done in 16 hours.  But it is hard to measure since I always have something to do on my to do list and while I have all the fairings off I clean and wax them, etc.  And of course, you are doing this at an airport, so everybody visits when they see your carâ€¦â€¦â€¦one of the more enjoyable aspects of â€œworkingâ€ at the airport.

 

Rene'

[url=tel:801-721-6080]801-721-6080[/url]

 

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I'm curious how long (on average) everyone spends on their annual (or condition inspection, for the pedantic).  I"m not including maintenance or upgrade deferred to annual time--just the inspection and tests.  I'm probably at a good day and a half, which extends to two full days if you include the oil change and a few other items.  Seems like a really long time, so curious if that's typical.  

 



-Rob

 



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RV-10 Flying since March 2011



Woodinville, WA



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Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 6:39 pm Post subject: How long does your annual take?

Yeah... There's the key.



Break them loose by hand before applying power.  If the bit slips, even once, toss it and mount a new one. Toss any screw with ANY damage to the drive recess.  Then, Boelube or ACS-50 on the threads before re-assembly.  



Run the screws in with the screw gun clutch set to its minimum torque and finish by hand...



Neal George

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 A power screwdriver with adjustable torque works wonders. Just be sure to break free each screw 1/8 of turn or so before applying power.

 

 On 5/4/2015 1:50 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:

> Thanks, everyone... glad it's not just me.  I think the right long-term solution is for my kids to grow up to the point they can turn a screwdriver.

> 

> On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Rene <rene(at)felker.com <mailto:rene(at)felker.com>> wrote:

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>    By myself, I might get it done in 16 hours.  But it is hard to

>    measure since I always have something to do on my to do list and

>    while I have all the fairings off I clean and wax them, etc.  And

>    of course, you are doing this at an airport, so everybody visits

>    when they see your carâ€¦â€¦â€¦one of the more enjoyable aspects of

>    â€œworkingâ€ at the airport.

> 

>    Rene'

> 

>    801-721-6080 <tel:801-721-6080>

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>    *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com

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>    Kochman

>    *Sent:* Friday, May 01, 2015 9:21 PM

>    *To:* rv10-list

>    *Subject:* How long does your annual take?

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>    I'm curious how long (on average) everyone spends on their annual

>    (or condition inspection, for the pedantic).  I"m not including

>    maintenance or upgrade deferred to annual time--just the

>    inspection and tests.  I'm probably at a good day and a half,

>    which extends to two full days if you include the oil change and a

>    few other items.  Seems like a really long time, so curious if

>    that's typical.

> 

>    -Rob

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Kellym

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Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 6:49 pm Post subject: How long does your annual take?

Agreed. Liquid BoeLube is excellent for reducing torque needed to run 

screws into nut plates.



On 5/4/2015 7:35 PM, Neal George wrote:

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 Yeah... There's the key.



 Break them loose by hand before applying power.  If the bit slips, even once, toss it and mount a new one. Toss any screw with ANY damage to the drive recess.  Then, Boelube or ACS-50 on the threads before re-assembly.



 Run the screws in with the screw gun clutch set to its minimum torque and finish by hand...



 Neal George

 Sent from my iPhone



> On May 4, 2015, at 4:03 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> wrote:

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> A power screwdriver with adjustable torque works wonders. Just be sure to break free each screw 1/8 of turn or so before applying power.

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> On 5/4/2015 1:50 PM, Rob Kochman wrote:

>> Thanks, everyone... glad it's not just me.  I think the right long-term solution is for my kids to grow up to the point they can turn a screwdriver.

>>

>> On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Rene <rene(at)felker.com <mailto:rene(at)felker.com>> wrote:

>>

>>     By myself, I might get it done in 16 hours.  But it is hard to

>>     measure since I always have something to do on my to do list and

>>     while I have all the fairings off I clean and wax them, etc.  And

>>     of course, you are doing this at an airport, so everybody visits

>>     when they see your carâ€¦â€¦â€¦one of the more enjoyable aspects of

>>     â€œworkingâ€ at the airport.

>>

>>     Rene'

>>

>>     801-721-6080 <tel:801-721-6080>

>>

>>     *From:*owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com

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>>     <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of *Rob

>>     Kochman

>>     *Sent:* Friday, May 01, 2015 9:21 PM

>>     *To:* rv10-list

>>     *Subject:* How long does your annual take?

>>

>>     I'm curious how long (on average) everyone spends on their annual

>>     (or condition inspection, for the pedantic).  I"m not including

>>     maintenance or upgrade deferred to annual time--just the

>>     inspection and tests.  I'm probably at a good day and a half,

>>     which extends to two full days if you include the oil change and a

>>     few other items.  Seems like a really long time, so curious if

>>     that's typical.

>>

>>     -Rob

>>

>>     --

>>     Rob Kochman

>>     RV-10 Flying since March 2011

>>

>>     Woodinville, WA

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Posted: Mon May 04, 2015 11:58 pm Post subject: How long does your annual take?

Jesse, seems you're using your kids like others swap wrenches from one 

job to the other 



Cheers Werner



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On 05.05.2015 00:21, Jesse Saint wrote:

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		   I put my 12-year-old to work one day per week already. He's perfect for

 opening panels and for crawling in the tailcones for inspection,

 lubrication and fabrication. I've even used my 8-year-old a few times.

bwestfall

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Location: Portland, OR

Posted: Tue May 05, 2015 7:22 am Post subject: How long does your annual take?

And he's well stocked for years to come!!  



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