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kearney

Joined: 20 Sep 2008
Posts: 563

Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 6:46 am Post subject: Tech in the front office

Hi



For the past couple of weeks I have been working on renewing my IFR rating. In the process I have started lusting / drooling over the IPAD my instructor used. It had georefed plates. I on the other hand was using low tech paper. His gear / subscription cost beaucoup de dineros.



Being a frugal (ie miserly pilot) I am wondering what IPAD /  tablet / mini PC and subscription options others are using. I am especially interested in where the cost / benefit sweet spot is. 



Cheers



Les

jack(at)bedfordlandings.c
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 7:27 am Post subject: Tech in the front office

I'm using ForeFlight Pro (which is what is required with ForeFlight to get

the geo-referenced plates) with a Stratus 2 ADS-B unit.  You're right - a

lot of money but how much is it worth to have such great situational

awareness, plus a backup of all flight instruments in case of a total power

failure?



Mind you, I haven't finished my -10 yet (just getting back on it after a 3

year hiatus to build a Fly-In Bed & Breakfast).  My RV-10 will have an

autopilot.  I'm flying IFR in a 62 year old Cessna 170, with no autopilot.

Single pilot IFR I'll take all the help money can buy.



Jack Phillips

Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia

40610 - Just ordered Fuselage Kit



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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 8:00 am Post subject: Tech in the front office

It's pricey to get the equipment for Foreflight, but the subscription is not expensive. The Stratus is great, but not required. 



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc. 

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

C: 352-427-0285

F: 815-377-3694



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[quote] On May 9, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Jack Philips <jack(at)bedfordlandings.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 I'm using ForeFlight Pro (which is what is required with ForeFlight to get

 the geo-referenced plates) with a Stratus 2 ADS-B unit.  You're right - a

 lot of money but how much is it worth to have such great situational

 awareness, plus a backup of all flight instruments in case of a total power

 failure?

 

 Mind you, I haven't finished my -10 yet (just getting back on it after a 3

 year hiatus to build a Fly-In Bed & Breakfast).  My RV-10 will have an

 autopilot.  I'm flying IFR in a 62 year old Cessna 170, with no autopilot.

 Single pilot IFR I'll take all the help money can buy.

 

 Jack Phillips

 Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia

 40610 - Just ordered Fuselage Kit

 

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jdriggs49(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 8:19 am Post subject: Tech in the front office

I'm using Foreflight Pro. The goereferenced charts are worth the price even if there were no other functions. Paired with the Stratus you get weather, traffic, TAFs, TFRs, etc for free. In flight. Situational awareness and navigation via GPS and in flight weather are the two most important advances in IFR flying. It's hard to overstate the benefits!

Flying IFR requires charts and buying from Jeppesen is gonna be a LOT more expensive than a subscription from Foreflight. Not to mention, I HATED updating alls those new Jeppp pages. ðŸ˜



[quote] From: jack(at)bedfordlandings.com

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: RV10-List: Tech in the front office

 Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 11:24:47 -0400

 

 

 

 I'm using ForeFlight Pro (which is what is required with ForeFlight to get

 the geo-referenced plates) with a Stratus 2 ADS-B unit.  You're right - a

 lot of money but how much is it worth to have such great situational

 awareness, plus a backup of all flight instruments in case of a total power

 failure?

 

 Mind you, I haven't finished my -10 yet (just getting back on it after a 3

 year hiatus to build a Fly-In Bed & Breakfast).  My RV-10 will have an

 autopilot.  I'm flying IFR in a 62 year old Cessna 170, with no autopilot.

 Single pilot IFR I'll take all the help money can buy.

 

 Jack Phillips

 Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia

 40610 - Just ordered Fuselage Kit

 

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carl.froehlich(at)verizon
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 8:26 am Post subject: Tech in the front office

I'm using a 10" iPad Air, 32gb, WIFI only.  For the GPS feed I use the Bad

Elf GPS Pro.  I have the ForeFlight basic.  I got the WiFi only to avoid the

up charge for a 4G unit and monthly wireless plan charge.  The WiFi only

however does not have a GPS receiver - thus the need to have the Bluetooth

connected Bad Elf GPS receiver.  I note that the Bad Elf GPS receiver works

very well.  I have a friend using the smaller iPad and consider that too

small.



The main reason for the ForeFlight is for IFR flight planning.  I've been

flying with dual SkyView 10" screens in the panel for three years now (ADSB

in/out enabled).  While I carry the iPad in the plane and have it on, I find

it a poor substitute for the SkyView.  The iPad display is not as bright as

you want, and unless you have some way to mount it the iPad becomes a hassle

to manage.  It is however a great back up if everything goes south.  The

SkyView has geo-referenced VFR and IFR charts as well as approach plates.

Even so, normal ops is to have paper plates for the intended airport.  The

SkyView provides the plates if I end up going someplace else.  The

ForeFlight basic has all the approach plates for review during flight

planning.



A reason to get the ForeFlight Pro would be if you are using SkyView with

their WiFi adapter.  If so, the iPad can feed flight plans to SkyView and

can be used as a repeater for the SkyView display.  A nice add for a tandem

airplane or for interested passengers in the RV-10 rear seat.



Carl 



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Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 8:54 am Post subject: Tech in the front office

Les

I use FltPlan go,which is free. Has georeferenced charts and would be a good way to get started with a iPad Air (spend the extra and get the 4g model, for the GPS feature-you do not need to ever signup with a provider)

Pascal



Sent from my iPad



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		   On May 9, 2015, at 7:52 AM, kearney <kearney(at)shaw.ca> wrote:

 

 

 

 Hi

 

 For the past couple of weeks I have been working on renewing my IFR rating. In the process I have started lusting / drooling over the IPAD my instructor used. It had georefed plates. I on the other hand was using low tech paper. His gear / subscription cost beaucoup de dineros.

 

 Being a frugal (ie miserly pilot) I am wondering what IPAD /  tablet / mini PC and subscription options others are using. I am especially interested in where the cost / benefit sweet spot is. 

 

 Cheers

 

 Les

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441931#441931

flysrv10(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 8:56 am Post subject: Tech in the front office

Just to clarify, you do not need data account to use the gps iPad. It will provide georefernce information using GPS without a data plan. 



I use FlyQ for the charts. They compare their software with foreflight on Utube. You might want to see and decide for yourself. 



Do not archive. 



Rob Kermanj 

Sent from my iPad



[quote] On May 9, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> wrote:

 

 

 

 I'm using a 10" iPad Air, 32gb, WIFI only.  For the GPS feed I use the Bad

 Elf GPS Pro.  I have the ForeFlight basic.  I got the WiFi only to avoid the

 up charge for a 4G unit and monthly wireless plan charge.  The WiFi only

 however does not have a GPS receiver - thus the need to have the Bluetooth

 connected Bad Elf GPS receiver.  I note that the Bad Elf GPS receiver works

 very well.  I have a friend using the smaller iPad and consider that too

 small.

 

 The main reason for the ForeFlight is for IFR flight planning.  I've been

 flying with dual SkyView 10" screens in the panel for three years now (ADSB

 in/out enabled).  While I carry the iPad in the plane and have it on, I find

 it a poor substitute for the SkyView.  The iPad display is not as bright as

 you want, and unless you have some way to mount it the iPad becomes a hassle

 to manage.  It is however a great back up if everything goes south.  The

 SkyView has geo-referenced VFR and IFR charts as well as approach plates.

 Even so, normal ops is to have paper plates for the intended airport.  The

 SkyView provides the plates if I end up going someplace else.  The

 ForeFlight basic has all the approach plates for review during flight

 planning.

 

 A reason to get the ForeFlight Pro would be if you are using SkyView with

 their WiFi adapter.  If so, the iPad can feed flight plans to SkyView and

 can be used as a repeater for the SkyView display.  A nice add for a tandem

 airplane or for interested passengers in the RV-10 rear seat.

 

 Carl 

 

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rene(at)felker.com
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Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 9:16 am Post subject: Tech in the front office

I am using Wing-X and thus since I use it I think it is the best.  



I have a Navworx ADS-B in my Rv-10 and I talk to that for weather and

traffic, etc.  But that is not required.



I run it on an Ipad mini, but you need to by the more expensive unit to get

the better GPS.  I do not use an external GPS with the Ipad.



Wing X is free for CFI's (I am not one) so you will see a lot of them using

it.  If you work with the same CFI....look at what he/she is using and get

the same.......



The great thing about these devices is I lay in bed ignoring my wife and do

the flight plan for the next day, look at real time weather overlayed on my

flight plan and then just carry it into the airplane without doing anything

else.  I have not learned how to write on the ipad so I still carry paper

with me to copy clearances etc.



Rene'

801-721-6080



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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 10:06 am Post subject: Tech in the front office

I run a 4G iPad Air, using the built in GPS.  For the iPad,

I would highly recommend ONLY buying one with built in GPS,

so buy the Cellular version.  I have owned, or do own, 5

different iPads over the years, and I can tell you that the

built-in GPS is definitely the way to go...even if you plan to

hook it up to an ADS-B system in flight.  You NEVER have to

pay to activate the cellular service, so the only cost that

it adds is the up-front cost.  But, once you've paid that,

you can now use the iPad with GPS in your car or anywhere

else as well, and with auto navigation apps or any other

software requiring GPS.  The external GPS's came about because

in the iPad 1, the GPS sucked.  Every model since then has

had a good GPS.  So don't skimp on that.  The external GPS's

these days are just a crude hack that will complicate things

and give you just one more thing to bring along, charge or break.

All of the EFB software vendors recommend you buy a Cellular

equipped model for the GPS as well.  It simplifies things.

You may want to consider the new iPad Air2, because it has

an anti-glare screen.  I've never owned one yet, but use a nice

anti-glare screen protector instead.  In the RV-10 it works

well...on my trip last week we were constantly in the sun

and the iPad was very visible the whole time with the screen

brightness up.  At night you really want/need to turn it down.

Luckily the EFB vendors make that easy.



 From an EFB perspective, I own and have current charts the

following apps.



Foreflight (not Pro)

WingX (with IFR data subscription)

FlyQ

FltPlan Go



I have the least experience with FltPlan Go, but can tell you that

it seems they are interested in improving the app, so it may be a

good contender some day.  Right now I think it's a little (lot)

more clumsy to operate, so I don't use it much.  But I do update

my charts for a region before a big trip...just for the heck of it.



To date, I stick with my recommendations that I've expressed for years

now...and actually Aviation Consumer said the same thing once that

I read, and that is:



WingX is probably the best one to actually use in the cockpit.

It has awesome georeferenced charts, and has some intuitive things

built in so that you have the proper approach plates for your plan

for taxi, takeoff, cruise, approach, and landing.  If you are flying

IFR and enter your plan, it will work very well for you.  It also

has available an add on fuel price planner which is very nice, and

downloads the fuel prices so you have them in flight.   WingX isn't

always as "pretty" as Foreflight, but I think the function is solid,

and works real well.   Just before my last trip, I added the Wifi

module to my NavWorX ADS600B and that provided traffic and weather to

the ipad as well, which was pretty cool on WingX.  One HUGE benefit

to WingX is that once you buy it, you can load it on any of your

iDevices.  I have it on my phone and ipad, and my wife's phone

and ipad, and even on my kids ipads.  It's on theirs solely as a

backup device so that if for any reason one of mine breaks, I can just

grab theirs.  Also, with NavWorX ADS-B, I was able to stream that

ADS-B to 4 devices (maybe even more) at a time when I tested it out

on the last trip...so that means anyone in your plane could

theoretically hold a map and watch your progress.  When I last

subscribed to WingX I also was able to buy a 3-year subscription for

I think $199, which made it even more affordable.   WingX works with

MANY different ADS-B systems, which is a big plus to me.  I think

Foreflight's "Stratus only" approach is pig headed. (They also now

plan to work with FreeFlight built-in systems, but still, what morons

are they that they want to limit your choices...come on, open it up

and your product will be more attractive)  I was also at one point

able to buy a lifetime IFR data subscription from Seattle Avionics

for WingX, so that I don't ever pay for again.  These days though,

WingX has their own "Pro" type offering that is even better, offering

routing for even your approach and such.  Very cool stuff.



Foreflight, to date, is what I think is the best pre-flight software.

That was Aviation Consumers thought too at one point.  They do an

excellent job displaying weather and filing flight plans and getting

briefings, and laying out routes. It's excellent software.  It's

more clumsy to use in my opinion, for pulling up approach charts and

such, and I think that once you're in-flight, WingX is far nicer to

use. The Pro subscription adds a lot of cost, but adds the nice

georeferenced plates and such.  Personally though, I don't have Pro

because I already have georeferenced plates on WingX. Not paying for

Pro on foreflight for that.  Also, since they only work with

Stratus and Freeflight, I think that's a big downer on them.  One other

big downer is that when you buy a subscription, you only get it on

one iphone, one ipad and one ipod touch for your account.  This is a

HUGE issue for me.  First of all, I would love for my wife to be

able to use it to lay out our flight plan, but I'm not paying them

another pile of cash just so that she can use the app that I already

pay for.  The iPhone is a backup but not a NICE backup for an iPad,

so the fact that I can't put it on at least hers and my devices makes

it much less attractive. To date, we're usually always flying in the

same plane, so I'm not paying extra money to have us both use the

app.  If ForeFlight changed the way this works, it would add a lot of

value for me, but as it is, this licensing and ADS-B compatibility

issue really makes it much less attractive.  That said, for a VFR

pilot, I would say if you have to own just one app, just buy Foreflight

NON-pro and it will be excellent for you.  My subscription is just about

up and I'm considering non-renewal.  I just have to see if the

others are now up to speed on flight plan filing.



FlyQ is one that hold promise, but I can't really promote as a good

option right now.  For one, the iPhone app isn't really too similar to

the iPad app, and until they get a unified app it won't be as nice.

At least, like WingX, my subscription I can put on all of my devices,

so that's a huge plus, and, it DOES work with almost all of the

ADS-B devices...they even hacked the Stratus 2 so you can use that

device with it now.  So good on them for keeping it open.  Now the

downside.  While it seems reasonably good to use, and seemed to be

ok when just used on it's own, I recently tried to use it while

connected to the ADS-B system and it crashed more often than not.

So here is this pretty good app that I just can't yet trust or recommend

for anyone wanting to fly IFR.  If they fixed the crashing, I think

it would be a contender.  I also have a lifetime data subscription

for FlyQ...so at least it doesn't cost me any future money, but

I can own it and await the day that it works well.  If it gets there,

it could be my "one" app some day, because I never have to pay another

dollar for anything...but they've got some work to do yet before I

can do that...let alone recommend anyone else buy it when the

competition works better.  I believe they do offer a free trial,

so it's worth checking out.



So since these are all just apps, my personal recommendation is

to buy the ipad with cellular...probably the Air 2, and just

throw some money at the problem the first year.  Buying a year

of Foreflight and a year of WingX wouldn't cost that much, and

doing the free trial of FlyQ and using the free FltPlan Go app

won't cost anything either.  So buy a 64Gb or better iPad

and load them all on there and see how it goes. As one other person

said, it may be smart to use what your instructor is using for

now too.  I personally think though that where the iPad is needed

most is on IFR flights and approaches, so for that I'd use WingX.

VFR pilots should maybe stick with Foreflight.



You have one other unique situation and that is being in Canada.

Foreflight costs extra for Canada info.  I'm not even sure about

the others if they're even available.  But it will be important

to look at area coverage when picking your app also.



One thing I would NEVER do again...use any Windows PC or app.

I don't think I'd even recommend Android as a platform.  You will

have the largest selection and the most stable and feature filled

options by using an iPad.



Tim

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Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Tech in the front office

My two cents:



First a disclaimer. As a cfii I get WingX for free - but, I had it before the free offer, I used to pay for it.

At $99/yr, it was cheaper than my $140/yr Jepp subscription, which was California only! Plus sectionals, it's a bargain.



What else is in your panel? No point in buying ADSB twice. Garmin will only talk to Garmin. I have GRT stuff so Stratus was out too. I bought a used Skyradar, works with the GRT HX and WingX.



I flew ifr for many years with no moving maps, so I'm pretty good at position awareness. Plus now I do have maps in the HX and 420W, so I did not pay for geo-referencing. Now I have it, for free, but I do not use it, at least not that I'm aware of.



I was not happy with the iPad. Would not fit on my lap without hitting the stick, too heavy to hold all the time. I do not like mounts, they always seem to block something, or when vfr the sun glares off them. I now have an iPad mini, which is just right for me. Portrait mode locked in, its cover slides under my knee board so it won't go anywhere. It is just big enough to read approach charts without zooming. And light enough to pick up with one hand so I can hold it right next to the EFIS if I need to read something for more than a few seconds. I do have the cellular one, which I have used for weather just before takeoff. Also TFRs! GPS always works okay. However, the Skyradar gps also always seems to work, feeding both the iPad mini and, as a backup, the HX.



One more thing. WingX uses much more data compression than Foreflight. I have the iPad mini 2 with the least available memory, and it has plenty left over. If you go with Foreflight I think you want one step up in memory (I forget the numbers) to have enough.

_________________
Bob Turner
RV-10 QB

kearney

Joined: 20 Sep 2008
Posts: 563

Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Tech in the front office

Hi 



Many thanks for all the info. It is most useful. As I fly in Canada, I need Canadian data as well as US data although US data is only needed a couple of times a year.



I'll try all the free trials I can, but it looks like foreflight may be the only viable Canadian option for the moment.



I am planning a trip to the US in a couple of weeks so I also need to sort out the best US option at least for airport info. At least there I have a few more options to explore.

Cheers



Les

Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 1:02 pm Post subject: Tech in the front office

I have an iPad running Foreflight pro       with the Bad Elf GPS puck (my original iPad was wifi only so it       required a separate GPS puck, my current iPad has the internal GPS       but I still use the puck).

       

       I have a separate Navworx ADSB receiver that will never be able to       be linked to my iPad - so no weather or traffic is displayed on       the iPad.  Instead I look to my primary EFIS displays (Grand       Rapids HXs) for weather and traffic overlayed on the navigation       screens.  The iPad is a supplement... but a drool worthy one that       I don't leave home without.

       

       I file and fly IFR on practically every flight.  Flight planning       and filing is done on the iPad using Foreflight.  Every base is       well covered by Foreflight and it still manages to delight when I       need something new like filing an ICAO flight plan for an       international flight to the Bahamas.  Often the planning and       filing is done in a hotel room, in a car or at the FBO.  I rarely       use FBO flight planning rooms or equipment.

       

       I learned the art of chart folding and pencil management flying       single pilot IFR without an AP.  But since then I've gone       paperless with the iPad and Foreflight.  No charts, no pencils,       just a subscription, a stylus for writing clearances on the       Foreflight scratch pad, and an iPhone running Foreflight for       backup (the second copy is part of the basic or pro Foreflight       package).

       

       The key to making this work for me was a good mount.  I built a       fiberglass center console that 1) houses a O2 bottle and 2) holds        a RAM mount for the iPad that puts it right under my right hand       during flight so it can be easily used.  You can see it here Kitlog         page of console construction (I really need a picture of it       being used in the cockpit).  I also added a USB charging port       which typically gets used for my wife's phone.  The iPad's       capacity is equivalent to the 10's range.

       

       I don't know where the sweet spot is but the iPad with Foreflight       Pro or it's equivalent is a required part of my IFR flying.  I do       my 'tactical' flying with my panel mounted EFISs but all planning,       what-ifs, thinking and re-orienting is done with the iPad.        Geo-referenced taxi diagrams is almost worth the price if you fly       into a lot of new-to-you larger airports.  It's a fair price for a       whole lot of benefit.  It's a game changer, a drooler, a "I'll       never go back" kind of tool.

       

       Looking at the bigger picture, portables enable us to keep our       cockpits current at a much more reasonable cost than a panel       upgrade.  My panel was set in stone in late 2008.  A lot has       happened since then.  While software upgrades to my EFIS and other       components have helped keep them somewhat current, we rely on the       portable to get the latest functions implemented in  the best       possible ways, e.g. touch screen functionality, faster processors,       higher resolution screens.  None of these are 'must haves' but       they are very very nice to haves and they are available for a       fraction of the cost of panel upgrades.

       

       On 5/9/2015 10:46 AM, kearney wrote:

     

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Hi



For the past couple of weeks I have been working on renewing my IFR rating. In the process I have started lusting / drooling over the IPAD my instructor used. It had georefed plates. I on the other hand was using low tech paper. His gear / subscription cost beaucoup de dineros.



Being a frugal (ie miserly pilot) I am wondering what IPAD /  tablet / mini PC and subscription options others are using. I am especially interested in where the cost / benefit sweet spot is. 



Cheers



Les





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Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 1:18 pm Post subject: Tech in the front office

Why do you say the NavWorX will never be able to be hooked to your iPad?  I'm assuming you just have it connected to the GRT via RS232.  If so, you can just split the TX wire and send it to the Wifi adapter.  It should easily be able to do both GRT and iPad.

Tim



[quote] On May 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com> wrote:

 

 I have an iPad running Foreflight pro with the Bad Elf GPS puck (my original iPad was wifi only so it required a separate GPS puck, my current iPad has the internal GPS but I still use the puck).

 

 I have a separate Navworx ADSB receiver that will never be able to be linked to my iPad - so no weather or traffic is displayed on the iPad.  Instead I look to my primary EFIS displays (Grand Rapids HXs) for weather and traffic overlayed on the navigation screens.  The iPad is a supplement... but a drool worthy one that I don't leave home without.

 

 I file and fly IFR on practically every flight.  Flight planning and filing is done on the iPad using Foreflight.  Every base is well covered by Foreflight and it still manages to delight when I need something new like filing an ICAO flight plan for an international flight to the Bahamas.  Often the planning and filing is done in a hotel room, in a car or at the FBO.  I rarely use FBO flight planning rooms or equipment.

 

 I learned the art of chart folding and pencil management flying single pilot IFR without an AP.  But since then I've gone paperless with the iPad and Foreflight.  No charts, no pencils, just a subscription, a stylus for writing clearances on the Foreflight scratch pad, and an iPhone running Foreflight for backup (the second copy is part of the basic or pro Foreflight package)

rleffler

Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 680

Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 2:23 pm Post subject: Tech in the front office

Bill is partially correct.    I doubt that Foreflight will ever support NavWorx.    Now if you want to use WingX or another application, it shouldn't be a problem.



Sent from my iPad



On May 10, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com (Tim(at)MyRV10.com)> wrote:

[quote]Why do you say the NavWorX will never be able to be hooked to your iPad?  I'm assuming you just have it connected to the GRT via RS232.  If so, you can just split the TX wire and send it to the Wifi adapter.  It should easily be able to do both GRT and iPad.

Tim





On May 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		                     I have an iPad running Foreflight pro       with the Bad Elf GPS puck (my original iPad was wifi only so it       required a separate GPS puck, my current iPad has the internal GPS       but I still use the puck).

       

       I have a separate Navworx ADSB receiver that will never be able to       be linked to my iPad - so no weather or traffic is displayed on       the iPad.  Instead I look to my primary EFIS displays (Grand       Rapids HXs) for weather and traffic overlayed on the navigation       screens.  The iPad is a supplement... but a drool worthy one that       I don't leave home without.

       

       I file and fly IFR on practically every flight.  Flight planning       and filing is done on the iPad using Foreflight.  Every base is       well covered by Foreflight and it still manages to delight when I       need something new like filing an ICAO flight plan for an       international flight to the Bahamas.  Often the planning and       filing is done in a hotel room, in a car or at the FBO.  I rarely       use FBO flight planning rooms or equipment.

       

       I learned the art of chart folding and pencil management flying       single pilot IFR without an AP.  But since then I've gone       paperless with the iPad and Foreflight.  No charts, no pencils,       just a subscription, a stylus for writing clearances on the       Foreflight scratch pad, and an iPhone running Foreflight for       backup (the second copy is part of the basic or pro Foreflight       package).

       

       The key to making this work for me was a good mount.  I built a       fiberglass center console that 1) houses a O2 bottle and 2) holds        a RAM mount for the iPad that puts it right under my right hand       during flight so it can be easily used.  You can see it here Kitlog         page of console construction (I really need a picture of it       being used in the cockpit).  I also added a USB charging port       which typically gets used for my wife's phone.  The iPad's       capacity is equivalent to the 10's range.

       

       I don't know where the sweet spot is but the iPad with Foreflight       Pro or it's equivalent is a required part of my IFR flying.  I do       my 'tactical' flying with my panel mounted EFISs but all planning,       what-ifs, thinking and re-orienting is done with the iPad.        Geo-referenced taxi diagrams is almost worth the price if you fly       into a lot of new-to-you larger airports.  It's a fair price for a       whole lot of benefit.  It's a game changer, a drooler, a "I'll       never go back" kind of tool.

       

       Looking at the bigger picture, portables enable us to keep our       cockpits current at a much more reasonable cost than a panel       upgrade.  My panel was set in stone in late 2008.  A lot has       happened since then.  While software upgrades to my EFIS and other       components have helped keep them somewhat current, we rely on the       portable to get the latest functions implemented in  the best       possible ways, e.g. touch screen functionality, faster processors,       higher resolution screens.  None of these are 'must haves' but       they are very very nice to haves and they are available for a       fraction of the cost of panel upgrades.

       

       On 5/9/2015 10:46 AM, kearney wrote:

     

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Hi



For the past couple of weeks I have been working on renewing my IFR rating. In the process I have started lusting / drooling over the IPAD my instructor used. It had georefed plates. I on the other hand was using low tech paper. His gear / subscription cost beaucoup de dineros.



Being a frugal (ie miserly pilot) I am wondering what IPAD /  tablet / mini PC and subscription options others are using. I am especially interested in where the cost / benefit sweet spot is. 



Cheers



Les





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Yeah, after I sent thy, I was guessing that could be why.  It sounds like FltPlan Go is compatible with some ADs-B systems now too...I don't know the details, and haven't tried mine, but for free that may be worth giving a shot.

Tim





On May 10, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com (rv(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote:

[quote]Bill is partially correct.    I doubt that Foreflight will ever support NavWorx.    Now if you want to use WingX or another application, it shouldn't be a problem.



Sent from my iPad



On May 10, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com (Tim(at)MyRV10.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Why do you say the NavWorX will never be able to be hooked to your iPad?  I'm assuming you just have it connected to the GRT via RS232.  If so, you can just split the TX wire and send it to the Wifi adapter.  It should easily be able to do both GRT and iPad.

Tim





On May 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		                     I have an iPad running Foreflight pro       with the Bad Elf GPS puck (my original iPad was wifi only so it       required a separate GPS puck, my current iPad has the internal GPS       but I still use the puck).

       

       I have a separate Navworx ADSB receiver that will never be able to       be linked to my iPad - so no weather or traffic is displayed on       the iPad.  Instead I look to my primary EFIS displays (Grand       Rapids HXs) for weather and traffic overlayed on the navigation       screens.  The iPad is a supplement... but a drool worthy one that       I don't leave home without.

       

       I file and fly IFR on practically every flight.  Flight planning       and filing is done on the iPad using Foreflight.  Every base is       well covered by Foreflight and it still manages to delight when I       need something new like filing an ICAO flight plan for an       international flight to the Bahamas.  Often the planning and       filing is done in a hotel room, in a car or at the FBO.  I rarely       use FBO flight planning rooms or equipment.

       

       I learned the art of chart folding and pencil management flying       single pilot IFR without an AP.  But since then I've gone       paperless with the iPad and Foreflight.  No charts, no pencils,       just a subscription, a stylus for writing clearances on the       Foreflight scratch pad, and an iPhone running Foreflight for       backup (the second copy is part of the basic or pro Foreflight       package).

       

       The key to making this work for me was a good mount.  I built a       fiberglass center console that 1) houses a O2 bottle and 2) holds        a RAM mount for the iPad that puts it right under my right hand       during flight so it can be easily used.  You can see it here Kitlog         page of console construction (I really need a picture of it       being used in the cockpit).  I also added a USB charging port       which typically gets used for my wife's phone.  The iPad's       capacity is equivalent to the 10's range.

       

       I don't know where the sweet spot is but the iPad with Foreflight       Pro or it's equivalent is a required part of my IFR flying.  I do       my 'tactical' flying with my panel mounted EFISs but all planning,       what-ifs, thinking and re-orienting is done with the iPad.        Geo-referenced taxi diagrams is almost worth the price if you fly       into a lot of new-to-you larger airports.  It's a fair price for a       whole lot of benefit.  It's a game changer, a drooler, a "I'll       never go back" kind of tool.

       

       Looking at the bigger picture, portables enable us to keep our       cockpits current at a much more reasonable cost than a panel       upgrade.  My panel was set in stone in late 2008.  A lot has       happened since then.  While software upgrades to my EFIS and other       components have helped keep them somewhat current, we rely on the       portable to get the latest functions implemented in  the best       possible ways, e.g. touch screen functionality, faster processors,       higher resolution screens.  None of these are 'must haves' but       they are very very nice to haves and they are available for a       fraction of the cost of panel upgrades.

       

       On 5/9/2015 10:46 AM, kearney wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		          	  Quote: 	
		  --> RV10-List message posted by: "kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca> (kearney(at)shaw.ca)



Hi



For the past couple of weeks I have been working on renewing my IFR rating. In the process I have started lusting / drooling over the IPAD my instructor used. It had georefed plates. I on the other hand was using low tech paper. His gear / subscription cost beaucoup de dineros.



Being a frugal (ie miserly pilot) I am wondering what IPAD /  tablet / mini PC and subscription options others are using. I am especially interested in where the cost / benefit sweet spot is. 



Cheers



Les





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Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 3:28 pm Post subject: Tech in the front office

Ever is a long time. I am sure Foreflight will have to start supporting other ads-b formats before long or they will be unable to compete. They are very conservative, so they are late adopters of certain features/compatibilities, but when something is out, stable and dependable, they will be, IMHO, more open to adding compatibility. 



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

352-427-0285

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

Sent from my iPad



On May 10, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com (rv(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote:

[quote]Bill is partially correct.    I doubt that Foreflight will ever support NavWorx.    Now if you want to use WingX or another application, it shouldn't be a problem.



Sent from my iPad



On May 10, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com (Tim(at)MyRV10.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Why do you say the NavWorX will never be able to be hooked to your iPad?  I'm assuming you just have it connected to the GRT via RS232.  If so, you can just split the TX wire and send it to the Wifi adapter.  It should easily be able to do both GRT and iPad.

Tim





On May 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		                     I have an iPad running Foreflight pro       with the Bad Elf GPS puck (my original iPad was wifi only so it       required a separate GPS puck, my current iPad has the internal GPS       but I still use the puck).

       

       I have a separate Navworx ADSB receiver that will never be able to       be linked to my iPad - so no weather or traffic is displayed on       the iPad.  Instead I look to my primary EFIS displays (Grand       Rapids HXs) for weather and traffic overlayed on the navigation       screens.  The iPad is a supplement... but a drool worthy one that       I don't leave home without.

       

       I file and fly IFR on practically every flight.  Flight planning       and filing is done on the iPad using Foreflight.  Every base is       well covered by Foreflight and it still manages to delight when I       need something new like filing an ICAO flight plan for an       international flight to the Bahamas.  Often the planning and       filing is done in a hotel room, in a car or at the FBO.  I rarely       use FBO flight planning rooms or equipment.

       

       I learned the art of chart folding and pencil management flying       single pilot IFR without an AP.  But since then I've gone       paperless with the iPad and Foreflight.  No charts, no pencils,       just a subscription, a stylus for writing clearances on the       Foreflight scratch pad, and an iPhone running Foreflight for       backup (the second copy is part of the basic or pro Foreflight       package).

       

       The key to making this work for me was a good mount.  I built a       fiberglass center console that 1) houses a O2 bottle and 2) holds        a RAM mount for the iPad that puts it right under my right hand       during flight so it can be easily used.  You can see it here Kitlog         page of console construction (I really need a picture of it       being used in the cockpit).  I also added a USB charging port       which typically gets used for my wife's phone.  The iPad's       capacity is equivalent to the 10's range.

       

       I don't know where the sweet spot is but the iPad with Foreflight       Pro or it's equivalent is a required part of my IFR flying.  I do       my 'tactical' flying with my panel mounted EFISs but all planning,       what-ifs, thinking and re-orienting is done with the iPad.        Geo-referenced taxi diagrams is almost worth the price if you fly       into a lot of new-to-you larger airports.  It's a fair price for a       whole lot of benefit.  It's a game changer, a drooler, a "I'll       never go back" kind of tool.

       

       Looking at the bigger picture, portables enable us to keep our       cockpits current at a much more reasonable cost than a panel       upgrade.  My panel was set in stone in late 2008.  A lot has       happened since then.  While software upgrades to my EFIS and other       components have helped keep them somewhat current, we rely on the       portable to get the latest functions implemented in  the best       possible ways, e.g. touch screen functionality, faster processors,       higher resolution screens.  None of these are 'must haves' but       they are very very nice to haves and they are available for a       fraction of the cost of panel upgrades.

       

       On 5/9/2015 10:46 AM, kearney wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		          	  Quote: 	
		  --> RV10-List message posted by: "kearney" <kearney(at)shaw.ca> (kearney(at)shaw.ca)



Hi



For the past couple of weeks I have been working on renewing my IFR rating. In the process I have started lusting / drooling over the IPAD my instructor used. It had georefed plates. I on the other hand was using low tech paper. His gear / subscription cost beaucoup de dineros.



Being a frugal (ie miserly pilot) I am wondering what IPAD /  tablet / mini PC and subscription options others are using. I am especially interested in where the cost / benefit sweet spot is. 



Cheers



Les





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Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 3:56 pm Post subject: Tech in the front office

Jesse,

I heard Avidyne will be using wifi and Foreflight . 

Alan



Sent from my iPhone



On May 10, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:

[quote]Ever is a long time. I am sure Foreflight will have to start supporting other ads-b formats before long or they will be unable to compete. They are very conservative, so they are late adopters of certain features/compatibilities, but when something is out, stable and dependable, they will be, IMHO, more open to adding compatibility. 



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

352-427-0285

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

Sent from my iPad



On May 10, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com (rv(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Bill is partially correct.    I doubt that Foreflight will ever support NavWorx.    Now if you want to use WingX or another application, it shouldn't be a problem.



Sent from my iPad



On May 10, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com (Tim(at)MyRV10.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Why do you say the NavWorX will never be able to be hooked to your iPad?  I'm assuming you just have it connected to the GRT via RS232.  If so, you can just split the TX wire and send it to the Wifi adapter.  It should easily be able to do both GRT and iPad.

Tim





On May 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		                     I have an iPad running Foreflight pro       with the Bad Elf GPS puck (my original iPad was wifi only so it       required a separate GPS puck, my current iPad has the internal GPS       but I still use the puck).

       

       I have a separate Navworx ADSB receiver that will never be able to       be linked to my iPad - so no weather or traffic is displayed on       the iPad.  Instead I look to my primary EFIS displays (Grand       Rapids HXs) for weather and traffic overlayed on the navigation       screens.  The iPad is a supplement... but a drool worthy one that       I don't leave home without.

       

       I file and fly IFR on practically every flight.  Flight planning       and filing is done on the iPad using Foreflight.  Every base is       well covered by Foreflight and it still manages to delight when I       need something new like filing an ICAO flight plan for an       international flight to the Bahamas.  Often the planning and       filing is done in a hotel room, in a car or at the FBO.  I rarely       use FBO flight planning rooms or equipment.

       

       I learned the art of chart folding and pencil management flying       single pilot IFR without an AP.  But since then I've gone       paperless with the iPad and Foreflight.  No charts, no pencils,       just a subscription, a stylus for writing clearances on the       Foreflight scratch pad, and an iPhone running Foreflight for       backup (the second copy is part of the basic or pro Foreflight       package).

       

       The key to making this work for me was a good mount.  I built a       fiberglass center console that 1) houses a O2 bottle and 2) holds        a RAM mount for the iPad that puts it right under my right hand       during flight so it can be easily used.  You can see it here Kitlog         page of console construction (I really need a picture of it       being used in the cockpit).  I also added a USB charging port       which typically gets used for my wife's phone.  The iPad's       capacity is equivalent to the 10's range.

       

       I don't know where the sweet spot is but the iPad with Foreflight       Pro or it's equivalent is a required part of my IFR flying.  I do       my 'tactical' flying with my panel mounted EFISs but all planning,       what-ifs, thinking and re-orienting is done with the iPad.        Geo-referenced taxi diagrams is almost worth the price if you fly       into a lot of new-to-you larger airports.  It's a fair price for a       whole lot of benefit.  It's a game changer, a drooler, a "I'll       never go back" kind of tool.

       

       Looking at the bigger picture, portables enable us to keep our       cockpits current at a much more reasonable cost than a panel       upgrade.  My panel was set in stone in late 2008.  A lot has       happened since then.  While software upgrades to my EFIS and other       components have helped keep them somewhat current, we rely on the       portable to get the latest functions implemented in  the best       possible ways, e.g. touch screen functionality, faster processors,       higher resolution screens.  None of these are 'must haves' but       they are very very nice to haves and they are available for a       fraction of the cost of panel upgrades.

       

       On 5/9/2015 10:46 AM, kearney wrote:

     

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For the past couple of weeks I have been working on renewing my IFR rating. In the process I have started lusting / drooling over the IPAD my instructor used. It had georefed plates. I on the other hand was using low tech paper. His gear / subscription cost beaucoup de dineros.



Being a frugal (ie miserly pilot) I am wondering what IPAD /  tablet / mini PC and subscription options others are using. I am especially interested in where the cost / benefit sweet spot is. 



Cheers



Les





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I also think if they hear that feedback enough they would have to listen.

I'm not sure how standardized the data format is for sure between all of these devices but I believe they are fairly standardized.  So, adding support for a new device should be very simple for them.

Tim





On May 10, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:

[quote]Ever is a long time. I am sure Foreflight will have to start supporting other ads-b formats before long or they will be unable to compete. They are very conservative, so they are late adopters of certain features/compatibilities, but when something is out, stable and dependable, they will be, IMHO, more open to adding compatibility. 



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

352-427-0285

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

Sent from my iPad



On May 10, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com (rv(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote:

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		  Bill is partially correct.    I doubt that Foreflight will ever support NavWorx.    Now if you want to use WingX or another application, it shouldn't be a problem.



Sent from my iPad



On May 10, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com (Tim(at)MyRV10.com)> wrote:

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		  Why do you say the NavWorX will never be able to be hooked to your iPad?  I'm assuming you just have it connected to the GRT via RS232.  If so, you can just split the TX wire and send it to the Wifi adapter.  It should easily be able to do both GRT and iPad.

Tim





On May 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		                     I have an iPad running Foreflight pro       with the Bad Elf GPS puck (my original iPad was wifi only so it       required a separate GPS puck, my current iPad has the internal GPS       but I still use the puck).

       

       I have a separate Navworx ADSB receiver that will never be able to       be linked to my iPad - so no weather or traffic is displayed on       the iPad.  Instead I look to my primary EFIS displays (Grand       Rapids HXs) for weather and traffic overlayed on the navigation       screens.  The iPad is a supplement... but a drool worthy one that       I don't leave home without.

       

       I file and fly IFR on practically every flight.  Flight planning       and filing is done on the iPad using Foreflight.  Every base is       well covered by Foreflight and it still manages to delight when I       need something new like filing an ICAO flight plan for an       international flight to the Bahamas.  Often the planning and       filing is done in a hotel room, in a car or at the FBO.  I rarely       use FBO flight planning rooms or equipment.

       

       I learned the art of chart folding and pencil management flying       single pilot IFR without an AP.  But since then I've gone       paperless with the iPad and Foreflight.  No charts, no pencils,       just a subscription, a stylus for writing clearances on the       Foreflight scratch pad, and an iPhone running Foreflight for       backup (the second copy is part of the basic or pro Foreflight       package).

       

       The key to making this work for me was a good mount.  I built a       fiberglass center console that 1) houses a O2 bottle and 2) holds        a RAM mount for the iPad that puts it right under my right hand       during flight so it can be easily used.  You can see it here Kitlog         page of console construction (I really need a picture of it       being used in the cockpit).  I also added a USB charging port       which typically gets used for my wife's phone.  The iPad's       capacity is equivalent to the 10's range.

       

       I don't know where the sweet spot is but the iPad with Foreflight       Pro or it's equivalent is a required part of my IFR flying.  I do       my 'tactical' flying with my panel mounted EFISs but all planning,       what-ifs, thinking and re-orienting is done with the iPad.        Geo-referenced taxi diagrams is almost worth the price if you fly       into a lot of new-to-you larger airports.  It's a fair price for a       whole lot of benefit.  It's a game changer, a drooler, a "I'll       never go back" kind of tool.

       

       Looking at the bigger picture, portables enable us to keep our       cockpits current at a much more reasonable cost than a panel       upgrade.  My panel was set in stone in late 2008.  A lot has       happened since then.  While software upgrades to my EFIS and other       components have helped keep them somewhat current, we rely on the       portable to get the latest functions implemented in  the best       possible ways, e.g. touch screen functionality, faster processors,       higher resolution screens.  None of these are 'must haves' but       they are very very nice to haves and they are available for a       fraction of the cost of panel upgrades.

       

       On 5/9/2015 10:46 AM, kearney wrote:

     

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Hi



For the past couple of weeks I have been working on renewing my IFR rating. In the process I have started lusting / drooling over the IPAD my instructor used. It had georefed plates. I on the other hand was using low tech paper. His gear / subscription cost beaucoup de dineros.



Being a frugal (ie miserly pilot) I am wondering what IPAD /  tablet / mini PC and subscription options others are using. I am especially interested in where the cost / benefit sweet spot is. 



Cheers



Les





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And NavWorX makes Avidyne's box for them...

Tim





On May 10, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler(at)metrocast.net (amekler(at)metrocast.net)> wrote:

[quote]Jesse,

I heard Avidyne will be using wifi and Foreflight . 

Alan



Sent from my iPhone



On May 10, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Ever is a long time. I am sure Foreflight will have to start supporting other ads-b formats before long or they will be unable to compete. They are very conservative, so they are late adopters of certain features/compatibilities, but when something is out, stable and dependable, they will be, IMHO, more open to adding compatibility. 



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

352-427-0285

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

Sent from my iPad



On May 10, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com (rv(at)thelefflers.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Bill is partially correct.    I doubt that Foreflight will ever support NavWorx.    Now if you want to use WingX or another application, it shouldn't be a problem.



Sent from my iPad



On May 10, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com (Tim(at)MyRV10.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Why do you say the NavWorX will never be able to be hooked to your iPad?  I'm assuming you just have it connected to the GRT via RS232.  If so, you can just split the TX wire and send it to the Wifi adapter.  It should easily be able to do both GRT and iPad.

Tim





On May 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		                     I have an iPad running Foreflight pro       with the Bad Elf GPS puck (my original iPad was wifi only so it       required a separate GPS puck, my current iPad has the internal GPS       but I still use the puck).

       

       I have a separate Navworx ADSB receiver that will never be able to       be linked to my iPad - so no weather or traffic is displayed on       the iPad.  Instead I look to my primary EFIS displays (Grand       Rapids HXs) for weather and traffic overlayed on the navigation       screens.  The iPad is a supplement... but a drool worthy one that       I don't leave home without.

       

       I file and fly IFR on practically every flight.  Flight planning       and filing is done on the iPad using Foreflight.  Every base is       well covered by Foreflight and it still manages to delight when I       need something new like filing an ICAO flight plan for an       international flight to the Bahamas.  Often the planning and       filing is done in a hotel room, in a car or at the FBO.  I rarely       use FBO flight planning rooms or equipment.

       

       I learned the art of chart folding and pencil management flying       single pilot IFR without an AP.  But since then I've gone       paperless with the iPad and Foreflight.  No charts, no pencils,       just a subscription, a stylus for writing clearances on the       Foreflight scratch pad, and an iPhone running Foreflight for       backup (the second copy is part of the basic or pro Foreflight       package).

       

       The key to making this work for me was a good mount.  I built a       fiberglass center console that 1) houses a O2 bottle and 2) holds        a RAM mount for the iPad that puts it right under my right hand       during flight so it can be easily used.  You can see it here Kitlog         page of console construction (I really need a picture of it       being used in the cockpit).  I also added a USB charging port       which typically gets used for my wife's phone.  The iPad's       capacity is equivalent to the 10's range.

       

       I don't know where the sweet spot is but the iPad with Foreflight       Pro or it's equivalent is a required part of my IFR flying.  I do       my 'tactical' flying with my panel mounted EFISs but all planning,       what-ifs, thinking and re-orienting is done with the iPad.        Geo-referenced taxi diagrams is almost worth the price if you fly       into a lot of new-to-you larger airports.  It's a fair price for a       whole lot of benefit.  It's a game changer, a drooler, a "I'll       never go back" kind of tool.

       

       Looking at the bigger picture, portables enable us to keep our       cockpits current at a much more reasonable cost than a panel       upgrade.  My panel was set in stone in late 2008.  A lot has       happened since then.  While software upgrades to my EFIS and other       components have helped keep them somewhat current, we rely on the       portable to get the latest functions implemented in  the best       possible ways, e.g. touch screen functionality, faster processors,       higher resolution screens.  None of these are 'must haves' but       they are very very nice to haves and they are available for a       fraction of the cost of panel upgrades.

       

       On 5/9/2015 10:46 AM, kearney wrote:

     

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Hi



For the past couple of weeks I have been working on renewing my IFR rating. In the process I have started lusting / drooling over the IPAD my instructor used. It had georefed plates. I on the other hand was using low tech paper. His gear / subscription cost beaucoup de dineros.



Being a frugal (ie miserly pilot) I am wondering what IPAD /  tablet / mini PC and subscription options others are using. I am especially interested in where the cost / benefit sweet spot is. 



Cheers



Les





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Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1705
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 5:01 pm Post subject: Tech in the front office

I assume you mean their ADS-B In receiver. Trig makes the Avidyne 340 

ADS-B Out for them. It is basically a TT31 with a different front 

faceplate. Ditto the KN-74, and the Dynon 1090ES that is a TT21/22 with 

Dynon label.



On 5/10/2015 5:19 PM, Tim Olson wrote:

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		   And NavWorX makes Avidyne's box for them...

 Tim



 On May 10, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Alan Mekler MD <amekler(at)metrocast.net 

 <mailto:amekler(at)metrocast.net>> wrote:



> Jesse,

> I heard Avidyne will be using wifi and Foreflight .

> Alan

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On May 10, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com 

> <mailto:jesse(at)saintaviation.com>> wrote:

>

>> Ever is a long time. I am sure Foreflight will have to start 

>> supporting other ads-b formats before long or they will be unable to 

>> compete. They are very conservative, so they are late adopters of 

>> certain features/compatibilities, but when something is out, stable 

>> and dependable, they will be, IMHO, more open to adding compatibility.

>>

>> Jesse Saint

>> Saint Aviation, Inc.

>> 352-427-0285

>> jesse(at)saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse(at)saintaviation.com>

>>

>> Sent from my iPad

>>

>> On May 10, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com 

>> <mailto:rv(at)thelefflers.com>> wrote:

>>

>>> Bill is partially correct.    I doubt that Foreflight will ever 

>>> support NavWorx.    Now if you want to use WingX or another 

>>> application, it shouldn't be a problem.

>>>

>>> Sent from my iPad

>>>

>>> On May 10, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com 

>>> <mailto:Tim(at)MyRV10.com>> wrote:

>>>

>>>> Why do you say the NavWorX will never be able to be hooked to your 

>>>> iPad?  I'm assuming you just have it connected to the GRT via 

>>>> RS232.  If so, you can just split the TX wire and send it to the 

>>>> Wifi adapter.  It should easily be able to do both GRT and iPad.

>>>> Tim

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> On May 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com 

>>>> <mailto:Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> I have an iPad running Foreflight pro with the Bad Elf GPS puck 

>>>>> (my original iPad was wifi only so it required a separate GPS 

>>>>> puck, my current iPad has the internal GPS but I still use the puck).

>>>>>

>>>>> I have a separate Navworx ADSB receiver that will never be able 

>>>>> to be linked to my iPad - so no weather or traffic is displayed 

>>>>> on the iPad.  Instead I look to my primary EFIS displays (Grand 

>>>>> Rapids HXs) for weather and traffic overlayed on the navigation 

>>>>> screens.  The iPad is a supplement... but a drool worthy one that 

>>>>> I don't leave home without.

>>>>>

>>>>> I file and fly IFR on practically every flight.  Flight planning 

>>>>> and filing is done on the iPad using Foreflight.  Every base is 

>>>>> well covered by Foreflight and it still manages to delight when I 

>>>>> need something new like filing an ICAO flight plan for an 

>>>>> international flight to the Bahamas.  Often the planning and 

>>>>> filing is done in a hotel room, in a car or at the FBO.  I rarely 

>>>>> use FBO flight planning rooms or equipment.

>>>>>

>>>>> I learned the art of chart folding and pencil management flying 

>>>>> single pilot IFR without an AP.  But since then I've gone 

>>>>> paperless with the iPad and Foreflight.  No charts, no pencils, 

>>>>> just a subscription, a stylus for writing clearances on the 

>>>>> Foreflight scratch pad, and an iPhone running Foreflight for 

>>>>> backup (the second copy is part of the basic or pro Foreflight 

>>>>> package).

>>>>>

>>>>> The key to making this work for me was a good mount.  I built a 

>>>>> fiberglass center console that 1) houses a O2 bottle and 2) 

>>>>> holds  a RAM mount for the iPad that puts it right under my right 

>>>>> hand during flight so it can be easily used.  You can see it here 

>>>>> Kitlog page of console construction 

>>>>> <http://www.mykitlog.com/users/category.php?user=MauleDriver&project=224&category=8533> 

>>>>> (I really need a picture of it being used in the cockpit).  I 

>>>>> also added a USB charging port which typically gets used for my 

>>>>> wife's phone.  The iPad's capacity is equivalent to the 10's range.

>>>>>

>>>>> I don't know where the sweet spot is but the iPad with Foreflight 

>>>>> Pro or it's equivalent is a required part of my IFR flying.  I do 

>>>>> my 'tactical' flying with my panel mounted EFISs but all 

>>>>> planning, what-ifs, thinking and re-orienting is done with the 

>>>>> iPad. Geo-referenced taxi diagrams is almost worth the price if 

>>>>> you fly into a lot of new-to-you larger airports.  It's a fair 

>>>>> price for a whole lot of benefit.  It's a game changer, a 

>>>>> drooler, a "I'll never go back" kind of tool.

>>>>>

>>>>> Looking at the bigger picture, portables enable us to keep our 

>>>>> cockpits current at a much more reasonable cost than a panel 

>>>>> upgrade.  My panel was set in stone in late 2008.  A lot has 

>>>>> happened since then.  While software upgrades to my EFIS and 

>>>>> other components have helped keep them somewhat current, we rely 

>>>>> on the portable to get the latest functions implemented in  the 

>>>>> best possible ways, e.g. touch screen functionality, faster 

>>>>> processors, higher resolution screens.  None of these are 'must 

>>>>> haves' but they are very very nice to haves and they are 

>>>>> available for a fraction of the cost of panel upgrades.

>>>>>

>>>>> On 5/9/2015 10:46 AM, kearney wrote:

>>>>>> 

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hi

>>>>>>

>>>>>> For the past couple of weeks I have been working on renewing my IFR rating. In the process I have started lusting / drooling over the IPAD my instructor used. It had georefed plates. I on the other hand was using low tech paper. His gear / subscription cost beaucoup de dineros.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Being a frugal (ie miserly pilot) I am wondering what IPAD /  tablet / mini PC and subscription options others are using. I am especially interested in where the cost / benefit sweet spot is.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Cheers

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Les

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Read this topic online here:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=441931#441931

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

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