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If the engine stops.... You're too lean
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If you run out of gas before you get to the runway.....You're too rich.
This list is always so helpful for those in need of technical advice! Â Â : )
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If the engine stops.... You're too lean
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Now that's funny Ernie... Owe you a drink for that smile. Saber
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Ernest Martinez <erniel29(at)gmail.com> wrote:
If the engine stops.... You're too lean
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Any techniques/advice to determine cruise mixture settings for stock CJ6 ... no Fuel flow meter or EGT gauge
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Ernie
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 3:50 pm Post subject: CJ6 Housai |
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General rule of thumb. Mixture lever next to throttle. Look to see if you still have altitude markings on mixture lever slot, those are in meters. Place lever next to number corresponding to your altitude.
My first answer was from personal experience.
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If the engine stops.... You're too lean
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 4:44 pm Post subject: CJ6 Housai |
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Works for spam cans.
Doc
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[quote]If the engine stops.... You're too lean
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Viperdoc
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 4:45 pm Post subject: CJ6 Housai |
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Hate it when that happens.
Doc
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If you run out of gas before you get to the runway.....You're too rich.
This list is always so helpful for those in need of technical advice! : )
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If the engine stops.... You're too lean
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Viperdoc
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 4:49 pm Post subject: CJ6 Housai |
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Get a YAK then you don't have to figure your altitude in meters much less feet. 😜
Doc
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On May 18, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29(at)gmail.com (erniel29(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]General rule of thumb. Mixture lever next to throttle. Look to see if you still have altitude markings on mixture lever slot, those are in meters. Place lever next to number corresponding to your altitude.
My first answer was from personal experience.
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If you run out of gas before you get to the runway.....You're too rich.
This list is always so helpful for those in need of technical advice! : )
From: [url=javascript:_e(%7B%7D,\'cvml\',\'owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com\');]owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com[/url] [mailto:[url=javascript:_e(%7B%7D,\'cvml\',\'owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com\');]owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com[/url]] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
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Subject: Re: CJ6 Housai
If the engine stops.... You're too lean
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 7:28 pm Post subject: CJ6 Housai |
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If you want to adjust carb. mixture settings read the Maintenance Manual.
If you don't have one call Doug Sapp.
If you have a "stock" CJ and are asking how to set the flight mixture it is
Rich Aft, Lean Forward. There is a stop on the throttle handle to prevent
the mixture control passing the throttle.
That is where it should be parked above 5000'. I move it part way starting
at 3000'.
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Jon why are ¾ of your post’s blank?
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 4:57 am Post subject: Re: CJ6 Housai |
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Has anyone ever actually put egt probes in an hs6?
Would be interested to see what sort of impact on fuel flow the cj mixture control has. My feeling is not enough to go LOP, it seems to be a strictly ROP set up
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 5:02 am Post subject: CJ6 Housai |
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It's not a bonanza, how high/far do you plan on going?
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Has anyone ever actually put egt probes in an hs6?
Would be interested to see what sort of impact on fuel flow the cj mixture control has. My feeling is not enough to go LOP, it seems to be a strictly ROP set up
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And for the record, if the mixture tab is removed you can lean it till it stops running. I've done it.
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Has anyone ever actually put egt probes in an hs6?
Would be interested to see what sort of impact on fuel flow the cj mixture control has. My feeling is not enough to go LOP, it seems to be a strictly ROP set up
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Yes, I have GRT EIS on mine. 9 EGT's and 3 CHT's. It is useful to identify which jug is acting up without the "shut down, jump out with laser temp gun in hand" routine. But it is of minimum benefit for leaning. The other day my #4 EGT was higher than normal during run up but even out when applying take off power. I suspected intake leak, so I tighten #4 intake gland nut after the flight. I had 3 more flights so far and high #4 EGT had not repeated.
Would I be able to identify the #4 intake leak problem without all 9 EGT's? Most likely not because there was no other indication of problem (no vibration, no power loss, ...). Is the 9-EGT necessary to safely operate a HS6? Most likely not since so many had been operated safely without.
As for leaning, at 7000 ft or above, some jugs will go LOP and my engine still runs smoothly. But engine will loss power and surge before all jugs go LOP. I fly often with my friend who has only stock instruments, and our cross country fuel burns are about the same. So my 9-EGT is of minimum benefit for fuel saving.
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Has anyone ever actually put egt probes in an hs6?
Would be interested to see what sort of impact on fuel flow the cj mixture control has. My feeling is not enough to go LOP, it seems to be a strictly ROP set up
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 8:18 am Post subject: CJ6 Housai |
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I routinely go LEAN OF PEAK on my stock CJ at cruise 1850 Rpm wide open throttle
when at higher altitudes.
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Which of course defeats the purpose of the British style mixture control. With the stop in place a sudden (or any) reduction of power at altitude will not result in the engine quitting since the mixture is enrichened with throttle reduction.
I have found on two different CJ’s that at 7000’ or higher mixture all the way to the stop is too lean – confirming what Robin has found with the EGT probes.
Walt
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And for the record, if the mixture tab is removed you can lean it till it stops running. I've done it.
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Has anyone ever actually put egt probes in an hs6?
Would be interested to see what sort of impact on fuel flow the cj mixture control has. My feeling is not enough to go LOP, it seems to be a strictly ROP set up
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I agree, my last CJ had the stop in place and I preferred it. And yes, I was above 7000ft and at full throttle, so I advanced the mixture lever to the throttle. It got very quiet.
Ernie
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[quote] Which of course defeats the purpose of the British style mixture control.  With the stop in place a sudden (or any) reduction of power at altitude will not result in the engine quitting since the mixture is enrichened with throttle reduction.
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I have found on two different CJ’s that at 7000’ or higher mixture all the way to the stop is too lean – confirming what Robin has found with the EGT probes.
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And for the record, if the mixture tab is removed you can lean it till it stops running. I've done it.
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I've routinely flown my YAK-50 with only 30 gallons of fuel or so from NC to Florida, from NC to Pennsylvania and New York, and to all kinds of points "West". Depending on winds of course, I am anywhere from 10,000 to 12,500 feet. I have also ferried a YAK-50 to Ramona California... took 3 days, but hey. Stopping for fuel and enjoying the company of strangers was much more fun that boring holes in the sky for 4 hours at a time. (Yes, I owned a Beech Debonair a long time ago).
If I had "get-there-it is", I'd prefer the Beech or something even faster. If I want to enjoy flying... I stuff myself into the 50. And "stuff myself" is the operative phrase. When I get bored, I just go invented for a while. I personally think these aircraft are truly FUN cross country aircraft. And by the bye, the 50 cruises faster than the Debby.  Just no legs.
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 11:40 am Post subject: CJ6 Housai |
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Actually if you run out of gas before you get to the runway, you're too poor.
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| Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 6:11 pm Post subject: CJ6 Housai |
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Mass quantities of Alcohol? Jeremiah Weed struck again?
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On May 18, 2015, at 11:39 PM, Tom Elliott <N13472(at)aol.com (N13472(at)aol.com)> wrote:
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Jon why are ¾ of your post’s blank?
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: CJ6 Housai |
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thanks for the replies. Tom are all your cylinders LOP? Curious as to how even the mixture distribution is on the HS6
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