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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:40 am    Post subject: Baggage Area Weight Reply with quote
Bob,
I was cleaning out old email and noticed your message. Did you ever get
an answer?
I know I have had my 200lb carcass back there working in the tail cone
and never caused any problem with the baggage floor.
Kelly

On 2/15/2013 2:45 PM, Bob Turner wrote:
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The paperwork from Vans that came with my final kit recommended a maximum of 150 lbs in the baggage area.

But I see Vans' web site now says 100 lbs maximum.

Anyone know when this change happened? Or why?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:49 am    Post subject: Re: Baggage Area Weight Reply with quote
No, I never did get an answer.
200 lbs crawling around is no issue. Remember the floor has to hold 3.8 x 100 (or is it 150?) pounds, 3.8 being the max allowed g loading.

I wonder if the change was just because Vans was worried that people would just shove 150 lbs back there without doing a cg calculation(!). With adults in the back seats and low fuel, I could get aft of the aft limit.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:53 pm    Post subject: Baggage Area Weight Reply with quote
For what it’s worth, the weight limit in the rear has been 100lbs since I bought my kit in the spring of 2005. I have never seen anything from Van’s that had a higher weight limit there.

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On Jun 10, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> wrote:



No, I never did get an answer.
200 lbs crawling around is no issue. Remember the floor has to hold 3.8 x 100 (or is it 150?) pounds, 3.8 being the max allowed g loading.

I wonder if the change was just because Vans was worried that people would just shove 150 lbs back there without doing a cg calculation(!). With adults in the back seats and low fuel, I could get aft of the aft limit.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:03 pm    Post subject: Baggage Area Weight Reply with quote
The weight limit in the baggage area has little to do with the strength
of the baggage shelf although it is a factor in high g maneuvers.

The main issue is weight and balance. As Bob Turner pointed out he can
get an aft cg with low fuel and two adults in the back.

On 6/10/2015 8:50 PM, Miller John wrote:
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For what it’s worth, the weight limit in the rear has been 100lbs since I bought my kit in the spring of 2005. I have never seen anything from Van’s that had a higher weight limit there.

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> On Jun 10, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> No, I never did get an answer.
> 200 lbs crawling around is no issue. Remember the floor has to hold 3.8 x 100 (or is it 150?) pounds, 3.8 being the max allowed g loading.
>
> I wonder if the change was just because Vans was worried that people would just shove 150 lbs back there without doing a cg calculation(!). With adults in the back seats and low fuel, I could get aft of the aft limit.
>
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:23 pm    Post subject: Baggage Area Weight Reply with quote
I've heard some people reference 150 that they saw too, but Grumpy
has it just as I remember...I think when we were building, we were
told 100. Personally, I think that's a pretty irrelevant number.
It basically will hold what it will hold, and unless you're carrying
something ultra heavy, it's probably a non-issue, and if it
is THAT heavy, you have a much bigger problem with CG.
Tim
On 6/10/2015 8:50 PM, Miller John wrote:
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For what it’s worth, the weight limit in the rear has been 100lbs since I bought my kit in the spring of 2005. I have never seen anything from Van’s that had a higher weight limit there.

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> On Jun 10, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> No, I never did get an answer.
> 200 lbs crawling around is no issue. Remember the floor has to hold 3.8 x 100 (or is it 150?) pounds, 3.8 being the max allowed g loading.
>
> I wonder if the change was just because Vans was worried that people would just shove 150 lbs back there without doing a cg calculation(!). With adults in the back seats and low fuel, I could get aft of the aft limit.
>
> --------
> Bob Turner
> RV-10 QB
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443358#443358
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 7:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Baggage Area Weight Reply with quote
I can't remember where, but I am absolutely sure that I have seen both 100 and 150 in official Van's Aircraft produced documentia.

My placard reads 150 more for ramp check support than anything else.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Baggage Area Weight Reply with quote
After my first post, I looked thru my paperwork. The packet I got with the final kit - the section on measuring weight, moment arms, and cg - is where the 150 lb number is printed.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Baggage Area Weight Reply with quote
My empty cg is pretty far forward. If I were carrying bags of sand, I could put 250 lbs in the baggage area and still be within cg limits - as long as no one sat in the rear seats. Although it's hard to imagine doing that.
As I recall I put 150 lbs back there, and more sand bags in the rear seats, during phase 1 testing, to get the cg close to the aft limit.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:13 am    Post subject: Baggage Area Weight Reply with quote
Bob, what date you get your final kit?

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After my first post, I looked thru my paperwork. The packet I got with the final kit - the section on measuring weight, moment arms, and cg - is where the 150 lb number is printed.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:18 am    Post subject: Re: Baggage Area Weight Reply with quote
Finish kit May 2009.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:49 am    Post subject: Baggage Area Weight Reply with quote
I just checked my finish instructions, dated Feb 2005, received fall of
2010.
They specifically discuss 150 lbs as the limit, provided c.g. and gross
limitations are met.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:31 pm    Post subject: Baggage Area Weight Reply with quote
I agree with Tim. The first time we packed to the ceiling for a family
trip, I carefully weighed everything and was surprised that my total was
less than 100. Now I just cram everything in there and don't worry about
it (because with a kid in the back we're nowhere near the aft CG limit).

I suppose someday I'll need to haul bathroom tiles, and it'll be relevant Smile

-Rob

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:

[quote]

I've heard some people reference 150 that they saw too, but Grumpy
has it just as I remember...I think when we were building, we were
told 100. Personally, I think that's a pretty irrelevant number.
It basically will hold what it will hold, and unless you're carrying
something ultra heavy, it's probably a non-issue, and if it
is THAT heavy, you have a much bigger problem with CG.
Tim

On 6/10/2015 8:50 PM, Miller John wrote:

>
>
> For what it’s worth, the weight limit in the rear has been 100lbs since I
> bought my kit in the spring of 2005. I have never seen anything from Van’s
> that had a higher weight limit there.
>
> Grumpy
> N184JM
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> On Jun 10, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> No, I never did get an answer.
>> 200 lbs crawling around is no issue. Remember the floor has to hold 3.8
>> x 100 (or is it 150?) pounds, 3.8 being the max allowed g loading.
>>
>> I wonder if the change was just because Vans was worried that people
>> would just shove 150 lbs back there without doing a cg calculation(!). With
>> adults in the back seats and low fuel, I could get aft of the aft limit

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:52 pm    Post subject: Baggage Area Weight Reply with quote
On the flip side too, if you don't have kids but adults in the back, especially bigger or maybe today I should say "normal" ones, you're not likely to get anywhere near 100lbs in the baggage area because of CG limits. I just had a discussion with another builder about upping the gross wt limit. My basic end comment was that I don't think it is an idea with a lot of value (unless you have extended range wing tanks) because if you are indeed flying over 2700lbs, you're not going to have an easy time having a safe flying plane because of aft CG issues.  By the time you get 2800 or more lbs in the plane, CG is going to be a problem or at least very near a limit. So there isn't much point. I can easily tell when I am getting aft...your tail will try to hit the ground when you use the step....or you may even have a light nose when pulling with a tow bar if people are in the plane. And when you rotate or flare, it gets REAL pitch sensitive. So it really would take a very odd load to get something over 150lbs in the baggage area. I haven't met anyone flying concrete bricks around. Maybe a mother-in-law stuffed in a suitcase in the tail, I suppose may happen though...some of them at times go well over 150. At least in the cheese state. Wink. Vans seemed to get it about right I think for the most part when they put together the specs.
Tim

On Jun 11, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
[quote]I agree with Tim. The first time we packed to the ceiling for a family trip, I carefully weighed everything and was surprised that my total was less than 100. Now I just cram everything in there and don't worry about it (because with a kid in the back we're nowhere near the aft CG limit).

I suppose someday I'll need to haul bathroom tiles, and it'll be relevant Smile

-Rob
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

I've heard some people reference 150 that they saw too, but Grumpy
has it just as I remember...I think when we were building, we were
told 100. Personally, I think that's a pretty irrelevant number.
It basically will hold what it will hold, and unless you're carrying
something ultra heavy, it's probably a non-issue, and if it
is THAT heavy, you have a much bigger problem with CG.
Tim


On 6/10/2015 8:50 PM, Miller John wrote:
Quote:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com (gengrumpy(at)aol.com)>

For what it’s worth, the weight limit in the rear has been 100lbs since I bought my kit in the spring of 2005. I have never seen anything from Van’s that had a higher weight limit there.

Grumpy
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--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu (bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu)>

No, I never did get an answer.
200 lbs crawling around is no issue. Remember the floor has to hold 3.8 x 100 (or is it 150?) pounds, 3.8 being the max allowed g loading.

I wonder if the change was just because Vans was worried that people would just shove 150 lbs back there without doing a cg calculation(!). With adults in the back seats and low fuel, I could get aft of the aft limit.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Baggage Area Weight Reply with quote
Regardless of how one loads their aircraft or computes their CG, in my opinion, it is advantageous to PLACARD the highest number that is supportable by Van's documentation. That would be 150lbs.

In the event of an incident or a ramp check, there is nothing to be gained, and potentially, a lot to be lost, by placarding the lower amount.

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Is there any requirement that it be placarded at all?

BTW, I hope everyone remembers to check cg with zero fuel.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 7:08 pm    Post subject: Baggage Area Weight Reply with quote
I agree with Tim. Put any reasonable sized folks in the rear seats, and the baggage area capability goes down drastically due to the CG moving aft, especially as fuel burns off.
If I have a lot of stuff to carry, I try to put it as far forward as I can get it.

My wife likes to ride in the back seat now (easier for her to get in with her knee complications) so I end up putting luggage in the vacant front seat and the vacant rear seat rather than the baggage compartment.

As you get more experience with your bird, you’ll find you really don’t want a cg that is aft of the Van’s published limits.

As an example, on my trip to Osh last year, I had 3 males (180 avg weight) and one 55lb grandson on board. Lightly packed luggage for the trip. Full fuel put us right at the max, but cg was ok. Landed for fuel (about 1/2 tanks). I was the first one out of the plane to help others out, etc. as soon as I stepped off the wing, the plane settled back on the tail tie down.

So, if you are loading up to the max, not only do you need to do your cg calculations, but you need to plan on who gets in/out first when you are on the ground. And pitch in the flare/rotation is very sensitive when cg is near the aft limits.

It can be done … just make sure you know what you have!

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On Jun 11, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com (Tim(at)MyRV10.com)> wrote:
On the flip side too, if you don't have kids but adults in the back, especially bigger or maybe today I should say "normal" ones, you're not likely to get anywhere near 100lbs in the baggage area because of CG limits. I just had a discussion with another builder about upping the gross wt limit. My basic end comment was that I don't think it is an idea with a lot of value (unless you have extended range wing tanks) because if you are indeed flying over 2700lbs, you're not going to have an easy time having a safe flying plane because of aft CG issues. By the time you get 2800 or more lbs in the plane, CG is going to be a problem or at least very near a limit. So there isn't much point. I can easily tell when I am getting aft...your tail will try to hit the ground when you use the step....or you may even have a light nose when pulling with a tow bar if people are in the plane. And when you rotate or flare, it gets REAL pitch sensitive. So it really would take a very odd load to get something over 150lbs in the baggage area. I haven't met anyone flying concrete bricks around. Maybe a mother-in-law stuffed in a suitcase in the tail, I suppose may happen though...some of them at times go well over 150. At least in the cheese state. Wink. Vans seemed to get it about right I think for the most part when they put together the specs.
Tim

On Jun 11, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Quote:
I agree with Tim. The first time we packed to the ceiling for a family trip, I carefully weighed everything and was surprised that my total was less than 100. Now I just cram everything in there and don't worry about it (because with a kid in the back we're nowhere near the aft CG limit).

I suppose someday I'll need to haul bathroom tiles, and it'll be relevant Smile

-Rob

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--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> I've heard some people reference 150 that they saw too, but Grumpy has it just as I remember...I think when we were building, we were told 100. Personally, I think that's a pretty irrelevant number. It basically will hold what it will hold, and unless you're carrying something ultra heavy, it's probably a non-issue, and if it is THAT heavy, you have a much bigger problem with CG. Tim On 6/10/2015 8:50 PM, Miller John wrote:
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--> RV10-List message posted by: Miller John <gengrumpy(at)aol.com (gengrumpy(at)aol.com)> For what it’s worth, the weight limit in the rear has been 100lbs since I bought my kit in the spring of 2005. I have never seen anything from Van’s that had a higher weight limit there. Grumpy N184JM DO NOT ARCHIVE
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On Jun 10, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu (bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu)> wrote: --> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu (bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu)> No, I never did get an answer. 200 lbs crawling around is no issue. Remember the floor has to hold 3.8 x 100 (or is it 150?) pounds, 3.8 being the max allowed g loading. I wonder if the change was just because Vans was worried that people would just shove 150 lbs back there without doing a cg calculation(!). With adults in the back seats and low fuel, I could get aft of the aft limit. -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=443358#443358
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:11 am    Post subject: Baggage Area Weight Reply with quote
I've had this same issue several times. Parked at Monument Valley, 4 souls on board, 1/4 tanks and tail pointed downhill on slight slop. Tail tiedown ring hit the ground as soon as I was on the step. Now under same conditions I get out and move forward on wing while passenger behind me get out and off. I load RR seat, then RF, then LR, then me all the time. I like to close passenger door myself to make sure it's properly done. On a long flight down to La Paz, MX, we put some heavy items under passengers feet.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Miller John
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Subject: Re: Re: Baggage Area Weight

I agree with Tim. Put any reasonable sized folks in the rear seats, and the baggage area capability goes down drastically due to the CG moving aft, especially as fuel burns off.


If I have a lot of stuff to carry, I try to put it as far forward as I can get it.



My wife likes to ride in the back seat now (easier for her to get in with her knee complications) so I end up putting luggage in the vacant front seat and the vacant rear seat rather than the baggage compartment.



As you get more experience with your bird, you’ll find you really don’t want a cg that is aft of the Van’s published limits.



As an example, on my trip to Osh last year, I had 3 males (180 avg weight) and one 55lb grandson on board. Lightly packed luggage for the trip. Full fuel put us right at the max, but cg was ok. Landed for fuel (about 1/2 tanks). I was the first one out of the plane to help others out, etc. as soon as I stepped off the wing, the plane settled back on the tail tie down.



So, if you are loading up to the max, not only do you need to do your cg calculations, but you need to plan on who gets in/out first when you are on the ground. And pitch in the flare/rotation is very sensitive when cg is near the aft limits.



It can be done … just make sure you know what you have!



grumpy

N184JM


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On Jun 11, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com (Tim(at)MyRV10.com)> wrote:


On the flip side too, if you don't have kids but adults in the back, especially bigger or maybe today I should say "normal" ones, you're not likely to get anywhere near 100lbs in the baggage area because of CG limits. I just had a discussion with another builder about upping the gross wt limit. My basic end comment was that I don't think it is an idea with a lot of value (unless you have extended range wing tanks) because if you are indeed flying over 2700lbs, you're not going to have an easy time having a safe flying plane because of aft CG issues. By the time you get 2800 or more lbs in the plane, CG is going to be a problem or at least very near a limit. So there isn't much point. I can easily tell when I am getting aft...your tail will try to hit the ground when you use the step....or you may even have a light nose when pulling with a tow bar if people are in the plane. And when you rotate or flare, it gets REAL pitch sensitive. So it really would take a very odd load to get something over 150lbs in the baggage area. I haven't met anyone flying concrete bricks around. Maybe a mother-in-law stuffed in a suitcase in the tail, I suppose may happen though...some of them at times go well over 150. At least in the cheese state. Wink. Vans seemed to get it about right I think for the most part when they put together the specs.

Tim
On Jun 11, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Rob Kochman <rv10rob(at)gmail.com (rv10rob(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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I agree with Tim. The first time we packed to the ceiling for a family trip, I carefully weighed everything and was surprised that my total was less than 100. Now I just cram everything in there and don't worry about it (because with a kid in the back we're nowhere near the aft CG limit).



I suppose someday I'll need to haul bathroom tiles, and it'll be relevant Smile



-Rob



On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:
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I've heard some people reference 150 that they saw too, but Grumpy
has it just as I remember...I think when we were building, we were
told 100. Personally, I think that's a pretty irrelevant number.
It basically will hold what it will hold, and unless you're carrying
something ultra heavy, it's probably a non-issue, and if it
is THAT heavy, you have a much bigger problem with CG.
Tim

On 6/10/2015 8:50 PM, Miller John wrote:
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For what it’s worth, the weight limit in the rear has been 100lbs since I bought my kit in the spring of 2005. I have never seen anything from Van’s that had a higher weight limit there.

Grumpy
N184JM

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On Jun 10, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu (bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu)> wrote:

--> RV10-List message posted by: "Bob Turner" <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu (bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu)>

No, I never did get an answer.
200 lbs crawling around is no issue. Remember the floor has to hold 3.8 x 100 (or is it 150?) pounds, 3.8 being the max allowed g loading.

I wonder if the change was just because Vans was worried that people would just shove 150 lbs back there without doing a cg calculation(!). With adults in the back seats and low fuel, I could get aft of the aft limit.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:32 am    Post subject: Baggage Area Weight Reply with quote
I have to do the same thing with weight on our trips with SCUBA gear.  I actually
bring my weight pouches (lead shot) for our buoyancy vests (not something
I'd normally care to carry).  There is a lot of space on the floor forward of the
rudder pedals and plenty of height so there is no obstruction worry...but I
place the weights up by the firewall just to help with CG issues being too far
aft.

I've said it many times in the past, but probably worth saying again.
The RV-10 is NOT a noseheavy airplane. Yes, it will take all the trim you
can give it in some situations, but you would not want to do anything
with the *intention* of attempting to correct it's fairly forward CG
empty configuration.

Do some W&B's on the airplane and you'll see that you can stick
two 350lb pilot/co-pilots in the front and have almost no effect
on CG.  So basically EVERYTHING you put in the airplane will
gradually erode all of the CG range you have.

Tim


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I've had this same issue several times. Parked at Monument Valley, 4 souls on board, 1/4 tanks and tail pointed downhill on slight slop. Tail tiedown ring hit the ground as soon as I was on the step. Now under same conditions I get out and move forward on wing while passenger behind me get out and off. I load RR seat, then RF, then LR, then me all the time. I like to close passenger door myself to make sure it's properly done. On a long flight down to La Paz, MX, we put some heavy items under passengers feet.
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N991RV
Yuma, AZ
 

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:03 am    Post subject: Re: Baggage Area Weight Reply with quote
I certainly agree with Tim on this. When I fly solo (I'm short so my seat is almost full forward, plus I'm a tad shy of standard 170 lbs) the cg is a bit forward of the forward limit - I have to carry 20 lbs of water in the baggage area. But I wouldn't dream of fixing this 'problem'. When I carry passengers I just pour the water out, and then I can load a bit more before hitting the aft limit.

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