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stuart(at)harnerfarm.net
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:35 pm Post subject: Reducer /Retarder

Herb,



Wow, that is an intriguing question.



Evaporation causes cooling which causes condensation which causes blushing.



If the paint is cool to start with it will evaporate slower (I think) so that should slow condensation.



BUT cooler paint might cause condensation to start with. Hmmmm.



Which came first the chicken or the egg type question.



I think I have a can of retarder in the shop. I will look tomorrow to see if it lists the ingredients. Toluene or tolulol (sp) and maybe lacquer thinner?



Are you painting already or just getting ready?



Stuart



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Richard Pike

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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:32 am Post subject: Re: Reducer /Retarder

Stits has 2 types of reducer, one for cooler temps, and one for hotter. Can't remember which airplane I was painting, but using a HVLP unit I started getting cobwebs, as the air coming through the unit was somewhat heated, and it was also a hot day. Got a different reducer and that fixed it.

Check out this page, it lists 2 different reducers depending on the ambient air temp.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/2015Individual/Cat15405.pdf

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Herbgh(at)nctc.com
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:03 am Post subject: Reducer /Retarder

Stuart



   I have the first coat of poly brush on the wings...and need to begin 

to spray...another coat of poly brush, then couple of cross coats of 

poly spray and on to the poly tone...

   I know that Stitts is basically Mek and Acetone with some sort of 

slowing agent in the mix...and something akin to poly vinyl acetate for 

the glue.. Elmer's glue on steroids?? 



   Back some years ago(around the time I was shamed by the old pride 

lions on the list for suggesting that a type of ribbon(shouldn't have 

called it ribbon!)  could be used as reinforcing tape)  ..I 

considered trying to make the Stitts paint brew at home...and came to 

the conclusion that it is something like a quart of Acetone, a quart of 

Mek, some alcohol to slow the drying and the vinlyl acetate(maybe 

something akin to hot glue sticks dissolved therein... ?)  I call it 

Poly Vinyl Acetate for that was as close as I could come doing a web 

study...



     My first painting experience with Poly products was in a hot garage 

in the middle of summer...and the paint dried before it reached  the 

fabric,,lots of cob webs floating in the air... I used reducer / 

retarder after that... and got up very early...to begin the process.



    Chilling the paint to 60 degrees or so should work...then again...do 

not want to recover the wings !!   Will likely make a frame with some 

fabric on it and experiment... Failing that , will order a couple of 

gallons of reducer/retarder..



    This Firefly came to me in the quick build condition  with the 

fuselage and tail feathers painted... I have installed the engine, prop, 

wired the instruments and covered the wings ..



      Currently using my lathe to turn wheel spindles to mount mountain 

bike brakes... The best and cheapest way to go for brakes.. salvage 

yards are full of bikes these days...Kids are too busy with games to 

ride bikes, but the parents go through the ritual anyway....I get them 

for a buck or two...Usually just mounted on the front wheel..the 

calliper will be mounted in opposite directions on each side of the 

Firefly .. Brakes on a Kolb,imho, are only good for ground 

handling...and in a real emergency when sacrificing the nose cone seems 

the best choice..   33 dollars and change on Ebay for the cheapest , 

shipped from the USA.



  Herb



On 06/12/2015 10:34 PM, Stuart Harner wrote:

[quote] 



 Herb,



 Wow, that is an intriguing question.



 Evaporation causes cooling which causes condensation which causes blushing.



 If the paint is cool to start with it will evaporate slower (I think) so that should slow condensation.



 BUT cooler paint might cause condensation to start with. Hmmmm.



 Which came first the chicken or the egg type question.



 I think I have a can of retarder in the shop. I will look tomorrow to see if it lists the ingredients. Toluene or tolulol (sp) and maybe lacquer thinner?



 Are you painting already or just getting ready?



 Stuart



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Herbgh(at)nctc.com
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 5:05 am Post subject: Reducer /Retarder

right Richard...checked them out some time ago...used the 85 deg 

retarder /reducer on my last paint job... Works as advertised...just 

wondering if there are alternatives...?  Herb



On 06/13/2015 07:32 AM, Richard Pike wrote:

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 Stits has 2 types of reducer, one for cooler temps, and one for hotter. Can't remember which airplane I was painting, but using a HVLP unit I started getting cobwebs, as the air coming through the unit was somewhat heated, and it was also a hot day. Got a different reducer and that fixed it.

 Check out this page, it lists 2 different reducers depending on the ambient air temp.

 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pdf/2015Individual/Cat15405.pdf



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 Kingsport, TN 3TN0

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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 3:48 am Post subject: Re: Reducer /Retarder

 	  Herbgh(at)nctc.com wrote: 	
		  right Richard...checked them out some time ago...used the 85 deg 

retarder /reducer on my last paint job... Works as advertised...just 

wondering if there are alternatives...?  Herb

	




I have used Randolph products in the past, I think they are as easy as Stits. They are certainly cheaper.

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