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Mark K

Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Posts: 32
Location: Great Bend, PA

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:32 am Post subject: Aileron Gap Seals

Starting to plan ahead for sealing the aileron gaps and was hoping a few of my fellow Kolbers might be able and willing to share some photos of gap sealing methods.  Preferably ones that work the best for them.

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Mark
Twinstar MKII
Great Bend, PA

Rex Rodebush

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 209
Location: Branson West area, Missouri

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:03 am Post subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals

Use the search engine and find a post by Ray Baker in December of 2000.  It gives a detailed procedure that I found works well.  You'll need a buddy to help.  Its almost impossible for one person to work with the sticky tape and do a nice job.  (for me anyway)

Herbgh(at)nctc.com
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:15 am Post subject: Aileron Gap Seals

book binding tape ....works well and can be done by one person...though 

two work better... think I am on a book binding tape trip this 

morning..Herb



On 08/31/2015 12:03 PM, Rex Rodebush wrote:

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 Use the search engine and find a post by Ray Baker in December of 2000.  It gives a detailed procedure that I found works well.  You'll need a buddy to help.  Its almost impossible for one person to work with the sticky tape and do a nice job.  (for me anyway)





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mojavjoe

Joined: 23 Dec 2013
Posts: 64

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:24 pm Post subject: Aileron Gap Seals

On my firestar I use piano hinge (in two pieces side by side) the length of the aileron.



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Starting to plan ahead for sealing the aileron gaps and was hoping a few of my fellow Kolbers might be able and willing to share some photos of gap sealing methods.  Preferably ones that work the best for them.

 



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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:59 pm Post subject: Aileron Gap Seals

The best method for durability is the same procedure

outlined in old Kolb Aircraft instruction manuals.  Tape is

temporary.



I have an aileron gap seal that is 23 years old and 3,300.0+

hours.  Another that is 15 years old and I don't know how

many hours on that one.  Both are showing some age, but

still serviceable.



This system is more work intensive than tape, but looks and

performs the best, in my humble opinion.



john h

mkIII

Omak, WA



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Titus, Alabama

Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1670
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals

What John said. Here is what Stits fabric gap seals look like after 20 years. The area within the prop arc is starting to crack on one aileron, will be a simple repair. This winter. Not a priority. Everything else is still OK.

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Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0

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Mark K

Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Posts: 32
Location: Great Bend, PA

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:48 am Post subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals

Richard,

Thanks for the photos.  I  appears that the gap seals are attached to the bottom of both the wing and the aileron with a bit of slack to account for aileron movement.



I assume the are constructed out of the same covering as the wing and aileron.



thanks again for the input.

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Twinstar MKII
Great Bend, PA

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2015 10:08 am Post subject: Aileron Gap Seals

Realize the post was addressed to Richard only.  Hope it

will be permissible to share a response.



Unless I am badly mistaken, 3" finishing tape is used for

the gap seals.



The original Kolb Aircraft construction manuals have some

very good information (tricks of the trade) for installing

and finishing gap seals.



I'm not at home or I would attach those instructions to this

post.



john h

mkIII

Wenatchee, WA



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Titus, Alabama

Mark K

Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Posts: 32
Location: Great Bend, PA

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:04 am Post subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals

John,  no permission needed great input and help is always welcome.  I will review my build manual and details but when you are able if you would forward your info that would be much appreciated.  



I can't wait to post some progress photos.

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Mark
Twinstar MKII
Great Bend, PA

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 7:21 am Post subject: Aileron Gap Seals

Remind me when I get home next month.



john h

Wenatchee, WA



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Titus, Alabama

Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1670
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:50 am Post subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals

John; your memory serves you well. It was in the Firestar book, and since we still have 10 minutes before dove season opens, I went ahead and scanned it and saved you the trouble.

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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0

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crankpot

Joined: 20 Oct 2014
Posts: 16

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:03 am Post subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals

I've used book binding tape on both my firestar and now the ultrastar. Yes, its temporary but so am I. It lasts a good long time and looks way better than the stits tape IMHO

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Former 1997 kolb firestat

herbgh(at)nctc.com
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:49 am Post subject: Aileron Gap Seals

That is the way I will proceed...I am done with the Firefly save for the 

aileron gap seals.. Office depot sold me a roll back when...



   I did the stits proceedure with the MkIII  but someone at Kolb or on 

this list sold me on the tape..



    May have said this before...but need a three blade IVO prop...UL 

version...Have a three blade Mid range IVO to trade... Blades for 

blades...I do not have the quick adjust hub...but I make my own...very 

simple with a lathe...Herb



   Pics of the finished Firefly...as one can see..the Puppies are real 

excited about it...! 



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 I've used book binding tape on both my firestar and now the ultrastar. Yes, its temporary but so am I. It lasts a good long time and looks way better than the stits tape IMHO



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Dennis Kirby

Joined: 05 Dec 2013
Posts: 35
Location: Albuquerque, NM

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:55 am Post subject: Aileron Gap Seals

"crankpot" wrote:  << I've used book binding tape on both my firestar and now the ultrastar. Yes, its temporary but so am I. It lasts a good long time and looks way better than the

stits tape IMHO. >>



All - 

Crankpot is right - the clear 3M book binding tape lasts about six years.  Then it starts cracking and breaking off.  When this happened to me, I replaced the gap seal tape with dacron sail repair tape.  Now I have the best of both methods!  



The sail repair tape comes in a 2-inch wide roll, just like the clear 3M book tape.  Comes in various colors.  I used white.  And it's very sticky.  You install it exactly as you would the clear tape, with the same sticky-side-to-sticky-side overlap of a half-inch.  But now you have the benefit of a dacron fabric gap seal, which is stronger and should last a bunch longer than the clear tape.



Looks good, too.



Dennis Kirby

Mark-3c / 912ul

Sandia Park, NM

williamtsullivan(at)att.n
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:19 am Post subject: Aileron Gap Seals

Dennis- Where do you find sail repair tape?



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On Fri, 9/18/15, KIRBY, DENNIS T GS-13 USAF AFMC AFNWC/EZS <dennis.kirby.3(at)us.af.mil> wrote:



 Subject: Re: Aileron Gap Seals

 To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: Friday, September 18, 2015, 9:54 AM

 

 

 "KIRBY, DENNIS T GS-13 USAF AFMC AFNWC/EZS" <dennis.kirby.3(at)us.af.mil>

 

 "crankpot" wrote:  << I've used book binding tape

 on both my firestar and now the ultrastar. Yes, its

 temporary but so am I. It lasts a good long time and looks

 way better than the

 stits tape IMHO. >>

 

 All - 

 Crankpot is right - the clear 3M book binding tape lasts

 about six years.  Then it starts cracking and breaking

 off.  When this happened to me, I replaced the gap seal

 tape with dacron sail repair tape.  Now I have the best

 of both methods!  

 

 The sail repair tape comes in a 2-inch wide roll, just like

 the clear 3M book tape.  Comes in various colors. 

 I used white.  And it's very sticky.  You install

 it exactly as you would the clear tape, with the same

 sticky-side-to-sticky-side overlap of a half-inch.  But

 now you have the benefit of a dacron fabric gap seal, which

 is stronger and should last a bunch longer than the clear

 tape.

 

 Looks good, too.

 

 Dennis Kirby

 Mark-3c / 912ul

 Sandia Park, NM

 

 

 

 

 

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