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jeff(at)westcottpress.com
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:42 am Post subject: iPad Reviews

I'm in the market for a new iPad to run Foreflight. Any suggestions/opinions?



Jeff Carpenter

Building hours so I can start flying my own plane.



 Westcott Press

1121 Isabel Street

Burbank, CA 91506

jeff(at)westcottpress.com (jeff(at)westcottpress.com)

818-861-7300





 

 



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Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:17 am Post subject: Re: iPad Reviews

Since this is a RV-10 forum, I'll assume you want to use it in a -10 or at least an airplane with a stick.

I just couldn't get comfortable with a full size iPad. I'm short, so I sit close to the stick, and it got in the way unless I used two hands to hold the iPad up or away.  OTOH an iPad mini is just right for me. Portrait mode, on my right thigh. Just large enough to read approach plates without zooming (I wear bifocals).  My mini has gps and wifi, the latter used to couple to a Skyradar ADSB-in box. The gps is nice to get geo-referencing on the charts.

Foreflight vs WingX: As you probably know Foreflight will only couple to a Stratus box, WingX works with a bunch of ADSB boxes. WingX uses more data compression, so memory size is not important. If you run Foreflight you will need an iPad mini with extra memory.

disclaimer: as a CFI I get WingX for free. However, even before it was free, I paid for it.

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kearney

Joined: 20 Sep 2008
Posts: 563

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:41 am Post subject: Re: iPad Reviews

Jeff



This is a very personal decision in that everyone has to sort out what works for them. A few weeks ago I canvasses for opinions and ultimately landed on an IPAD AIR 2. For me the large size is great.



As I am in Canada, I need to get XM weather as ADSB is not available here (except in the far north).  



I use Fltplan.Com on the IPAD as it gives me all the US and CANADA maps and approach plates for free and supports XM weather. It also supports a few ADSB receivers so I would check this out if that is what you plan to use. 



I also picked up a MYGOFLIGHT mount for the IPAD that I plan to install in a couple of weeks. It will allow the IPAD to be secured up and to my right for easy viewing and access.



If you can, try to borrow a large and small IPAD and see what works best for you.  I would also check out FLTPLAN.COM and its IPAD app. 



Cheers



Les

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:47 am Post subject: iPad Reviews

I'll fill in with my 2 cents.  Unlike Bob, I'm tall, but I don't

know how much that matters.  I like the full size one myself.

I think the mini that my daughter has does an OK job too.  It all

depends on how you use it.  I hand mine off to someone or set it

on the seat next to me if I'm alone.  So it doesn't get in the way

for me, and I only use it when I need it.



Regarding hardware, my advice is to buy bigger (more GB of capacity)

than you need, for future growth, because you don't want to have to

upgrade if your apps take up more space.  Also, always get one

with cellular capability, just for the GPS.  And, I'd say go with

one of the newer models...better performance and displays.  If

you are thinking of buying soon, I'd wait a few weeks.  All the

new stuff should be announced next week.  So delay a purchase for

a month or so.



Bob's right that the stratus ads-b only works with foreflight.

But there is an exception. I think FlyQ hacked the interface

and now supports the stratus also.  I have Foreflight, WingX,

and FlyQ.  WingX is my current favorite, but the almost released

FlyQ 2.0 (maybe it's even released already) is getting it closer

to catching up.  It works pretty well.  I get no benefits from

any of the apps, as I'm not a CFI nor get any kickbacks.  But I

buy them all.  Foreflight is the nicest one that has iphone

integration if that means anything to you.  WingX I find is best

for IFR flying.  My hope is that with just a couple more additions

to FlyQ, that it can become the favorite, because I get the most

bang for the buck with FlyQ and have a lifetime subscription.

But for right now at this point in time, I prefer WingX.

It would be hard to give up Foreflight on the iphone though, so

I may maintain the non-pro subscription to that one too...we'll see.

Tim

On 9/4/2015 2:17 PM, Bob Turner wrote:

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 <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu>



 Since this is a RV-10 forum, I'll assume you want to use it in a -10

 or at least an airplane with a stick. I just couldn't get comfortable

 with a full size iPad. I'm short, so I sit close to the stick, and it

 got in the way unless I used two hands to hold the iPad up or away.

 OTOH an iPad mini is just right for me. Portrait mode, on my right

 thigh. Just large enough to read approach plates without zooming (I

 wear bifocals).  My mini has gps and wifi, the latter used to couple

 to a Skyradar ADSB-in box. The gps is nice to get geo-referencing on

 the charts. Foreflight vs WingX: As you probably know Foreflight will

 only couple to a Stratus box, WingX works with a bunch of ADSB boxes.

 WingX uses more data compression, so memory size is not important. If

 you run Foreflight you will need an iPad mini with extra memory.

 disclaimer: as a CFI I get WingX for free. However, even before it

 was free, I paid for it.



 -------- Bob Turner RV-10 QB

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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:49 am Post subject: iPad Reviews

1) wait until after the 9th when a (unofficial ) new iPad is being released. That will reduce pricing on older models and give another option. 

2) get a iPad Air not a mini, I found the mini easier to handle but the iPad easier to read charts and the extra features in the foreflight.



I use FltPlan GO but think foreflight offers more hence the iPad Air . For sure I am happy with electric charts and features.



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		   On Sep 4, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com> wrote:

 

 I'm in the market for a new iPad to run Foreflight. Any suggestions/opinions?

 

 Jeff Carpenter

 Building hours so I can start flying my own plane.

 

 

 

 Westcott Press

 1121 Isabel Street

 Burbank, CA 91506

 jeff(at)westcottpress.com

 818-861-7300

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: iPad Reviews

I should have been clearer about my preference for the mini.

I use the electronic device for approach charts, and, when doing approaches without the autopilot (I do have one but feel I should be able to hand fly) I do not have a free hand to hold the iPad. I want the chart on my leg or lap, and the full size iPad doesn't fit. Otherwise, the full size would be fine and in point of fact I do have and use an original iPad when vfr, someone else is flying, etc.

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daviid(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:56 pm Post subject: iPad Reviews

Bob

  This is what I use with my full size iPad Air



http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005IZ0QU6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00



Sent from my iPad



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		   On Sep 4, 2015, at 6:44 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner(at)alum.rpi.edu> wrote:

 

 

 

 I should have been clearer about my preference for the mini.

 I use the electronic device for approach charts, and, when doing approaches without the autopilot (I do have one but feel I should be able to hand fly) I do not have a free hand to hold the iPad. I want the chart on my leg or lap, and the full size iPad doesn't fit. Otherwise, the full size would be fine and in point of fact I do have and use an original iPad when vfr, someone else is flying, etc.

 

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Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:11 pm Post subject: Re: iPad Reviews

I looked at this. For me, personally, I felt there was some interference with right aileron motion.



Bob



 	  daviid(at)gmail.com wrote: 	
		  Bob

  This is what I use with my full size iPad Air



http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005IZ0QU6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00



Sent from my iPad



 	  Quote: 	
		   On Sep 4, 2015, at 6:44 PM, Bob Turner <bobturner> wrote:

 

 

 

 I should have been clearer about my preference for the mini.

 I use the electronic device for approach charts, and, when doing approaches without the autopilot (I do have one but feel I should be able to hand fly) I do not have a free hand to hold the iPad. I want the chart on my leg or lap, and the full size iPad doesn't fit. Otherwise, the full size would be fine and in point of fact I do have and use an original iPad when vfr, someone else is flying, etc.

 

 --------

 Bob Turner

 RV-10 QB

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=446808#446808

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johngoodman

Joined: 18 Sep 2006
Posts: 530
Location: GA

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:16 am Post subject: Re: iPad Reviews

I elected to go with an iPad Mini. My first one was the cheapest they make - only 16 gigs. The second one was one step up - 32 gigs. You need 32 if you want the entire US on ForeFlight. For GPS, I bought a Dual XGPS150 from Spruce for less than a hundred dollars, it works great, and is exceptionally accurate.

The iPad Mini is primarily for my wife to use on cross countries. I did fly to Oshkosh by myself, but mostly relied on my GRT HX and GNS 430W. It did come in handy when looking for a fuel stop.

The big thing for me is that the electronic charts legally replace the paper ones.

John

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Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:23 am Post subject: iPad Reviews

I'd suggest that figuring out how and       where you will mount it is a key decision, particularly with       respect to mini vs non-mini.  Guessing as to exactly how you will       end up using it is another important factor - but guessing is what       it is.

       

       I have a long-in-the-tooth multi-screen GRT-HX panel with a G430w       for smarts and Navworx ADSB for wx and traffic.  This gives me       everything I need to fly IFR, permanently mounted and fully       integrated into my HX screens... except for approach plates.        (there is a plate option available for the HX but I chose to stay       with Foreflight)

       

       But I always fly with an iPad running Foreflight.  It's used for       flight planning, briefings, map work, and procedure information.        The one thing it is missing that I wish I had is Nexrad display.        I have them on the HX but map work using Foreflight on the iPad is       so much more flexible and quicker that I'd like to have Nexrad       imagery there as well.  Plus I don't have to disturb my flight       displays to explore weather driven options.  Traffic on the iPad       is not needed in my configuration.

       

       I originally had the iPad 1 or 2 in the largest size.  My wife       later got a mini and I determined that I still preferred a larger       screen when I replaced my first one.  I now have what I guess is       an iPad Air... I little smaller than the original but still with       the big screen.

       

       I paid a lot of attention to how I would mount it.  I ended up       fabricating a center console with the triple role of 1) providing       an optimal mount for a RAM mounted iPad, 2) holding an O2 tank and       3) an elbow rest.  In retrospect I'm not sure there is a perfect       mounting location but I think I have the optimal one for me.  No       stick interference, no panel interference, falls easily under my       right hand for reading and writing (I've gone completely paperless       by using the less than optimal FF/iPad scratch pad for notes).        However, it does interfere with my view and access to the power       quadrant.  So on takeoff and most landings I just shift it out of       the way on the RAM mount.  On x-windy landings I remove the RAM       mount completely.  But since 95%+ of my flying is in cruise, 100%       clear and free power quadrant access is not a concern.

       

       I think the mounting location might drive the iPad size decision       but in any case, the mounting question deserves your attention.         I added a charging jack as well.  The iPhone is an important       backup for IFR work if you manage it as such.

       

       Here are some pics iPad         RAM mount on center console

       

       Bill "who's learned to love closed systems while longing for open       ones" Watson

       

       

       

       On 9/4/2015 2:38 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote:

     

     [quote]I'm in the market for a new iPad to run Foreflight.       Any suggestions/opinions?       

       

       Jeff Carpenter

       Building hours so I can start flying my own plane.

       

       

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kearney

Joined: 20 Sep 2008
Posts: 563

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 10:48 am Post subject: iPad Reviews

Hi Bill

I picked up a mygoflight.com clip mount for an iPad at KOSH. I plan to mount it on the tunnel similar in position to yours. 

It has a single point adjustment on the elbow that locks all the joints. A vey innovative feature. I will post pic when I have it in. 

Cheers

Les



Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 7, 2015, at 12:19, Bill Watson <Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)> wrote:

[quote]                   I'd suggest that figuring out how and       where you will mount it is a key decision, particularly with       respect to mini vs non-mini.  Guessing as to exactly how you will       end up using it is another important factor - but guessing is what       it is.

       

       I have a long-in-the-tooth multi-screen GRT-HX panel with a G430w       for smarts and Navworx ADSB for wx and traffic.  This gives me       everything I need to fly IFR, permanently mounted and fully       integrated into my HX screens... except for approach plates.        (there is a plate option available for the HX but I chose to stay       with Foreflight)

       

       But I always fly with an iPad running Foreflight.  It's used for       flight planning, briefings, map work, and procedure information.        The one thing it is missing that I wish I had is Nexrad display.        I have them on the HX but map work using Foreflight on the iPad is       so much more flexible and quicker that I'd like to have Nexrad       imagery there as well.  Plus I don't have to disturb my flight       displays to explore weather driven options.  Traffic on the iPad       is not needed in my configuration.

       

       I originally had the iPad 1 or 2 in the largest size.  My wife       later got a mini and I determined that I still preferred a larger       screen when I replaced my first one.  I now have what I guess is       an iPad Air... I little smaller than the original but still with       the big screen.

       

       I paid a lot of attention to how I would mount it.  I ended up       fabricating a center console with the triple role of 1) providing       an optimal mount for a RAM mounted iPad, 2) holding an O2 tank and       3) an elbow rest.  In retrospect I'm not sure there is a perfect       mounting location but I think I have the optimal one for me.  No       stick interference, no panel interference, falls easily under my       right hand for reading and writing (I've gone completely paperless       by using the less than optimal FF/iPad scratch pad for notes).        However, it does interfere with my view and access to the power       quadrant.  So on takeoff and most landings I just shift it out of       the way on the RAM mount.  On x-windy landings I remove the RAM       mount completely.  But since 95%+ of my flying is in cruise, 100%       clear and free power quadrant access is not a concern.

       

       I think the mounting location might drive the iPad size decision       but in any case, the mounting question deserves your attention.         I added a charging jack as well.  The iPhone is an important       backup for IFR work if you manage it as such.

       

       Here are some pics iPad         RAM mount on center console

       

       Bill "who's learned to love closed systems while longing for open       ones" Watson

       

       

       

       On 9/4/2015 2:38 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote:

     

      	  Quote: 	
		  I'm in the market for a new iPad to run Foreflight.       Any suggestions/opinions?       

       

       Jeff Carpenter

       Building hours so I can start flying my own plane.

       

       

     

	


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Bob Turner

Joined: 03 Jan 2009
Posts: 885
Location: Castro Valley, CA

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: iPad Reviews

Bill, I'm not sure I understand your set up. You put departure and approach procedures on your iPad? But at the most critical times - takeoff into or approaches in low ifr - you need to move the iPad for throttle access? Is it still easily seen?

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RV-10 QB

Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:57 am Post subject: iPad Reviews

I understand the confusion - didn't know how many words to wrap around 

the description.



I don't actually need to move the iPad for throttle access. I can fully 

access the quadrant and operate it without moving the iPad or mount from 

it's normal position.  It does require me to reach around the iPad just 

a bit.   If I want to see the entire quadrant I need to shift my head 

position slightly to the right to see around the iPad.  I do this for 

the 'big pull' to my LOP setting for example.



I can also simply nudge the iPad to the side with my right arm as I 

reach for the quadrant which gives me a fuller view of the quadrant and 

eliminates any reach around.  I can still see the iPad if needed but I'm 

likely to set the power and nudge it back into position.  The RAM mount 

is easily set so that it's stiff enough to maintain position but also 

easily nudged side to side as desired.



None of the above requires any thought or causes any concern in any 

phase of flight.  Just an observation of how I use it given its mounting 

position.  Put another way, the quadrant and the iPad naturally want to 

occupy the same space when operated, i.e. falling naturally under the 

right hand.  In my installation they do occupy the same space visually - 

the quadrant being a little further away than the iPad.



I do find myself sometimes removing the iPad and its mount for gusty 

xwind type landings, particularly if it's the last landing of the day 

(because the iPad goes in the flight bag after landing).  It gives me a 

completely unobstructed space to whack the stick around and fool with 

the power.  If it's a fuel stop, I'll tend to keep it in place for 

convenience.  There's no requirement to demount it for takeoffs and 

landings, just something I tend to do on last landings of the day and/or 

in gusty conditions.  As you know, gusty conditions and low weather 

rarely go together....



On the very positive side, I do a fair number of departures into low 

conditions from my uncontrolled field that is right up against a busy 

Class C.  It sometimes gets busy launching into VFR and picking up my 

clearance while staying below a low ceiling.   More rarely flying a 

clearance into controlled airspace against a void time is also a busy 

time. The iPad and its mount shine really shine in those situations.



On 9/7/2015 5:25 PM, Bob Turner wrote:

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 Bill, I'm not sure I understand your set up. You put departure and approach procedures on your iPad? But at the most critical times - takeoff into or approaches in low ifr - you need to move the iPad for throttle access? Is it still easily seen?



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Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:07 am Post subject: iPad Reviews

Those look real good Les.Â  I probably       would have gone with that if they were available 4-5 years ago.Â  I       considered trying to fabricate something like it but ended up       doing the full monty with the console.

       

       BTW, while an elbow rest for using the iPad in that position is       'nice', it doesn't really seem to be a need.Â  But I find that an       elbow rest for just cruising is very nice.Â  However, center       consoles remove some of the spacious feel of the cockpit.Â  I tried       to minimize the bulk of my console so it didn't impinge on hip       room (aka ass clearance).

       

       If an O2 tank isn't involved, the ideal config might be a mount       like the MyGoFlight and a pull down arm connected to the seat back       like mid-90s Dodge minvans had.Â  Keeps the spacious feel and       provides a place to rest the arm.

       

       On 9/7/2015 2:43 PM, Les Kearney wrote:

     

     [quote]              Hi Bill

       

       

       I picked up a mygoflight.com clip mount for         an iPad at KOSH. I plan to mount it on the tunnel similar in         position to yours.Â 

       

       

       It has a single point adjustment on the elbow that locks all         the joints. A vey innovative feature. I will post pic when I         have it in.Â 

       

       

       Cheers

       

       

       Les

         

         Sent from my iPhone

       

         On Sep 7, 2015, at 12:19, Bill Watson <[url=mailto:Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com]Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com (Mauledriver(at)nc.rr.com)[/url]>         wrote:

         

       

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		                                 I'd suggest that figuring out how             and where you will mount it is a key decision, particularly             with respect to mini vs non-mini.Â  Guessing as to exactly             how you will end up using it is another important factor -             but guessing is what it is.

             

             I have a long-in-the-tooth multi-screen GRT-HX panel with a             G430w for smarts and Navworx ADSB for wx and traffic.Â  This             gives me everything I need to fly IFR, permanently mounted             and fully integrated into my HX screens... except for             approach plates.Â  (there is a plate option available for the             HX but I chose to stay with Foreflight)

             

             But I always fly with an iPad running Foreflight.Â  It's used             for flight planning, briefings, map work, and procedure             information.Â  The one thing it is missing that I wish I had             is Nexrad display.Â  I have them on the HX but map work using             Foreflight on the iPad is so much more flexible and quicker             that I'd like to have Nexrad imagery there as well.Â  Plus I             don't have to disturb my flight displays to explore weather             driven options.Â  Traffic on the iPad is not needed in my             configuration.

             

             I originally had the iPad 1 or 2 in the largest size.Â  My             wife later got a mini and I determined that I still             preferred a larger screen when I replaced my first one.Â  I             now have what I guess is an iPad Air... I little smaller             than the original but still with the big screen.

             

             I paid a lot of attention to how I would mount it.Â  I ended             up fabricating a center console with the triple role of 1)             providing an optimal mount for a RAM mounted iPad, 2)             holding an O2 tank and 3) an elbow rest.Â  In retrospect I'm             not sure there is a perfect mounting location but I think I             have the optimal one for me.Â  No stick interference, no             panel interference, falls easily under my right hand for             reading and writing (I've gone completely paperless by using             the less than optimal FF/iPad scratch pad for notes).Â              However, it does interfere with my view and access to the             power quadrant.Â  So on takeoff and most landings I just             shift it out of the way on the RAM mount.Â  On x-windy             landings I remove the RAM mount completely.Â  But since 95%+             of my flying is in cruise, 100% clear and free power             quadrant access is not a concern.

             

             I think the mounting location might drive the iPad size             decision but in any case, the mounting question deserves             your attention.Â Â  I added a charging jack as well.Â  The             iPhone is an important backup for IFR work if you manage it             as such.

             

             Here are some pics iPad                RAM mount on center console

             

             Bill "who's learned to love closed systems while longing for             open ones" Watson

             

             

             

             On 9/4/2015 2:38 PM, Jeff Carpenter wrote:

           

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		  I'm in the market for a new iPad to run             Foreflight. Any suggestions/opinions?             

             

             Jeff Carpenter

             Building hours so I can start flying my own plane.

             

             

           

	
         

       

	
       

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