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rvdave
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 Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:10 am Post subject: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
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Haven't paid real close attention to what others are doing regarding the joint between aluminum and fiberglass tips. Leave a line for expansion? Fiberglass cloth and finish as one?
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Bob Turner
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| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
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I did nothing, in case I want to get in there for inspection, maintenance, etc. Not impossible to remove if you smooth/cover the joint with fiberglass, just more work.
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| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:43 pm Post subject: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
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Dave, I just painted my -10 even though it's not quite flying yet (soon though), and while the tips all look very nice and blended into the HS, VS, rudder etc, it cost me more money to have it finished off than I thought it should (and was worth). Having said that, my body filling talents are slim to none(but I did try). I did put 2 layers of 3 oz cloth over each seam.
In hind sight, I won't do it again.
Rick
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Southampton, Ont
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| Quote: | On Sep 21, 2015, at 3:10 PM, rvdave <rv610dave(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Haven't paid real close attention to what others are doing regarding the joint between aluminum and fiberglass tips. Leave a line for expansion? Fiberglass cloth and finish as one?
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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:03 pm Post subject: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
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The fairings look really nice of they are very well faired in. We have never used cloth, just micro and sanding smooth. If they aren't going to be faired very well, it is best to leave them alone and just paint. They don't look bad unfaired. They do look bad if they are faired but not done very well.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
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| Quote: | On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:40 PM, Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Dave, I just painted my -10 even though it's not quite flying yet (soon though), and while the tips all look very nice and blended into the HS, VS, rudder etc, it cost me more money to have it finished off than I thought it should (and was worth). Having said that, my body filling talents are slim to none(but I did try). I did put 2 layers of 3 oz cloth over each seam.
In hind sight, I won't do it again.
Rick
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Southampton, Ont
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kboatright1(at)comcast.ne
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| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:18 pm Post subject: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
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One of two ways. Either use the method described in the plans to create a
nice even seam, or glass over 'em. Properly executed, both look nice. The
method in the manual is probably less time consuming assuming your tips fit
well in the first place.
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bill.peyton
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:52 am Post subject: Re: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
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I glassed mine in. I had some time to kill waiting for my fuse and wings to show up, so I spent it glassing the tips on. They look great, I get compliments on how smooth they look etc. I would say that I spent at least 40 hours in all for the additional body work. I was experienced in body work, so plan accordingly for your own time.
Having said that, I have also seen some done the way the plans call out, and they look just fine.The downside is that replacing the tip would require repainting the entire surface.
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Kellym
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:19 am Post subject: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
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That is why I ignored the plans and attached all tail fairings with #4
nutplates and #4 countersunk screws. Allows removal of any of the
pieces, no muss, no fuss. To save effort, I spent a few extra bucks and
used clickbond nutplates. Over time, if you look at most planes on the
ramp, those pieces have gotten some damage, whether made of Royalite or
fiberglass. Never know if I will want to bury an antenna at the top of
the rudder, or need to rebalance the elevators, etc.
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Having said that, I have also seen some done the way the plans call out, and they look just fine.The downside is that replacing the tip would require repainting the entire surface.
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carl.froehlich(at)verizon
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:48 am Post subject: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
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As with many things RV, this is squarely in the "builder's choice" column.
On my planes I first fill in the tip to skin seam with mico and then sand
flush. On top of this go a couple of bids of glass with peal ply as mico
alone between two different materials will tend to crack. On top of the
glass goes a skim layer of mico. Sand-prime-paint.
On all control surfaces, flaps, HS, VS and wing tips I took the very
unnecessary step to fill in the exposed ends. The attached photos show the
foam filler after being glued into the ends. Note the foam does not fill in
the full area. On top of this goes a few bids of glass such that the glass
edges go between the foam and the skin. The glass then supports itself -
the foam is just to form the glass. The glass is 1/32" to 1/16" below the
top of the skins to allow for micro on top to make flush. I left a 1/4"
weep hole in the trailing edge of all control surfaces to provide a path for
water to escape.
On the RV-8A and RV-10 I never had call to remove any fiberglass tip. The
wing tips of course are removable.
Carl
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| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 11:49 am Post subject: Filling and finishing empennage fiberglass tips |
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I'm filling the crack with micro and sanding flush. Basically the same
treatment as the seam on the wheel pants. I'm also installing hinge on
the wingtips.
Linn
On 9/21/2015 3:10 PM, rvdave wrote:
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Haven't paid real close attention to what others are doing regarding the joint between aluminum and fiberglass tips. Leave a line for expansion? Fiberglass cloth and finish as one?
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RV6 for sale
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