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civengpe

Joined: 14 Feb 2011
Posts: 105

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:07 am Post subject: First Flight Report

I have finally had a chance to calm down and wanted to let you guys know that the first flight of kit 41153 occurred yesterday around 11:00.Â 



Our first flight was quite short as we had one cylinder that was a bit hotter than the rest, so we landed to see what was happening.Â  It turned out to be a tiny spec of crud partially blocking the injection port.Â  We quickly buttoned everything back up after a confirmation run-up and proceeded to circle the airport at around 1800' for half an hour.Â  We then landed, inspected everything again and took off for a short cross country. Â 

All told, we put 2.0 on the tach and everything is running very smoothly.Â  These planes are absolutely amazing. Â 

Thanks for all of the info you guys put out!Â  I will post some video later when I get a chance to downloadÂ 

Shannon Hicks



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EdKranz

Joined: 29 Dec 2010
Posts: 132
Location: Hastings, MN

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:29 am Post subject: First Flight Report

CONGRATS!



On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]I have finally had a chance to calm down and wanted to let you guys know that the first flight of kit 41153 occurred yesterday around 11:00.Â 



Our first flight was quite short as we had one cylinder that was a bit hotter than the rest, so we landed to see what was happening.Â  It turned out to be a tiny spec of crud partially blocking the injection port.Â  We quickly buttoned everything back up after a confirmation run-up and proceeded to circle the airport at around 1800' for half an hour.Â  We then landed, inspected everything again and took off for a short cross country. Â 

All told, we put 2.0 on the tach and everything is running very smoothly.Â  These planes are absolutely amazing. Â 

Thanks for all of the info you guys put out!Â  I will post some video later when I get a chance to downloadÂ 

Shannon Hicks



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aerosport1

Joined: 07 Nov 2007
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:59 am Post subject: First Flight Report

WAY TO GO 

Congrats

 

Geoff Combs

Aerosport Modeling & Design

8090 Howe Industrial Parkway

Canal, Winchester, Ohio 43110

614-834-5227

 

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks

Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 3:04 PM

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Subject: First Flight Report

 

I have finally had a chance to calm down and wanted to let you guys know that the first flight of kit 41153 occurred yesterday around 11:00. 

 



Our first flight was quite short as we had one cylinder that was a bit hotter than the rest, so we landed to see what was happening.  It turned out to be a tiny spec of crud partially blocking the injection port.  We quickly buttoned everything back up after a confirmation run-up and proceeded to circle the airport at around 1800' for half an hour.  We then landed, inspected everything again and took off for a short cross country.  



 



All told, we put 2.0 on the tach and everything is running very smoothly.  These planes are absolutely amazing.  



 



Thanks for all of the info you guys put out!  I will post some video later when I get a chance to download 



 



Shannon Hicks



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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:08 pm Post subject: First Flight Report

Sweet! These are really nice flying planes! Congrats!

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 14:03:52 -0500

Subject: RV10-List: First Flight Report

From: civeng123(at)gmail.com

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

I have finally had a chance to calm down and wanted to let you guys know that the first flight of kit 41153 occurred yesterday around 11:00. 

Our first flight was quite short as we had one cylinder that was a bit hotter than the rest, so we landed to see what was happening.  It turned out to be a tiny spec of crud partially blocking the injection port.  We quickly buttoned everything back up after a confirmation run-up and proceeded to circle the airport at around 1800' for half an hour.  We then landed, inspected everything again and took off for a short cross country.  

All told, we put 2.0 on the tach and everything is running very smoothly.  These planes are absolutely amazing.  

Thanks for all of the info you guys put out!  I will post some video later when I get a chance to download 

Shannon Hicks

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partner14

Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Posts: 540
Location: Granbury Texas

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:22 pm Post subject: First Flight Report

Welcome to the flying section of the group.  Yep, great airplane.... love it more everyday.

Have fun and congratulations!

Don McDonald

40636 and 800 hours.



        From: Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com>

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I have finally had a chance to calm down and wanted to let you guys know that the first flight of kit 41153 occurred yesterday around 11:00. 



Our first flight was quite short as we had one cylinder that was a bit hotter than the rest, so we landed to see what was happening.  It turned out to be a tiny spec of crud partially blocking the injection port.  We quickly buttoned everything back up after a confirmation run-up and proceeded to circle the airport at around 1800' for half an hour.  We then landed, inspected everything again and took off for a short cross country.  

All told, we put 2.0 on the tach and everything is running very smoothly.  These planes are absolutely amazing.  

Thanks for all of the info you guys put out!  I will post some video later when I get a chance to download 

Shannon Hicks



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john.maccallum(at)bigpond
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 2:52 pm Post subject: First Flight Report

Oh wow! Thatâ€™s great Shannon congratulations looking forward to the Video. 

 

Cheers

 

John MacCallum

VH-DUU

RV 10 # 41016

 

 

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shannon Hicks

Sent: Thursday, 15 October 2015 6:04 AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: First Flight Report



 

I have finally had a chance to calm down and wanted to let you guys know that the first flight of kit 41153 occurred yesterday around 11:00. 

 



Our first flight was quite short as we had one cylinder that was a bit hotter than the rest, so we landed to see what was happening.  It turned out to be a tiny spec of crud partially blocking the injection port.  We quickly buttoned everything back up after a confirmation run-up and proceeded to circle the airport at around 1800' for half an hour.  We then landed, inspected everything again and took off for a short cross country.  



 



All told, we put 2.0 on the tach and everything is running very smoothly.  These planes are absolutely amazing.  



 



Thanks for all of the info you guys put out!  I will post some video later when I get a chance to download 



 



Shannon Hicks



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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:07 pm Post subject: First Flight Report

Fantastic and congratulations!  Nice job sorting out the injection issue too.  

Have fun testing,

Marcus



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		  On Oct 14, 2015, at 3:03 PM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

I have finally had a chance to calm down and wanted to let you guys know that the first flight of kit 41153 occurred yesterday around 11:00. 

Our first flight was quite short as we had one cylinder that was a bit hotter than the rest, so we landed to see what was happening.  It turned out to be a tiny spec of crud partially blocking the injection port.  We quickly buttoned everything back up after a confirmation run-up and proceeded to circle the airport at around 1800' for half an hour.  We then landed, inspected everything again and took off for a short cross country.  



All told, we put 2.0 on the tach and everything is running very smoothly.  These planes are absolutely amazing.  



Thanks for all of the info you guys put out!  I will post some video later when I get a chance to download 



Shannon Hicks



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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:45 pm Post subject: First Flight Report

Well done mate, wishing you safe skies always.



Warm regards



Patrick Pulis

Adelaide, South Australia

On 15 Oct 2015, at 05:33, Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]I have finally had a chance to calm down and wanted to let you guys know that the first flight of kit 41153 occurred yesterday around 11:00. 



Our first flight was quite short as we had one cylinder that was a bit hotter than the rest, so we landed to see what was happening.  It turned out to be a tiny spec of crud partially blocking the injection port.  We quickly buttoned everything back up after a confirmation run-up and proceeded to circle the airport at around 1800' for half an hour.  We then landed, inspected everything again and took off for a short cross country.  

All told, we put 2.0 on the tach and everything is running very smoothly.  These planes are absolutely amazing.  

Thanks for all of the info you guys put out!  I will post some video later when I get a chance to download 

Shannon Hicks



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Rich Hansen

Joined: 12 Oct 2015
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 4:09 am Post subject: Re: First Flight Report

Great job Shannon!  Can feel your excitement,  a great motivator for those of us shortly behind you.  Keep us posted on how everything goes and have some fun!

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RV-6A
RV-10

civengpe

Joined: 14 Feb 2011
Posts: 105

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:09 am Post subject: First Flight Report

Here are a few lessons I learned during my first flight day. Â 



I didn't invite any friends or family to witness the first flight.Â  It was a very private affair, because I didn't want any undue pressure to fly when I should scrub.Â  The downside to this was that I don't have any kick ass videos showing the plane taking off for the first time, but I also wasn't afraid to cancel the flight.Â  This was a really hard decision for me to make.Â  After spending 4 years working on this project, I wanted to share the experience with as many people as I could especially everyone that had helped me along the way.Â  But, in the end, I believe that I made the right decision for me. Â 

Â 



It was incredibly easy to get a clogged fuel injector. During the very first takeoff, the EGT and CHT of cylinder #3 were higher than any of the others. This was due to a partially blocked fuel injector.Â  I was shocked at how small the debris was when we opened it up.Â  It was maybe the half the size of a grain of sand.Â  I had mostly homemade hoses FWF that I thought I had cleaned and flushed thoroughly.Â  Apparently, this little spec of trash was hiding somewhere between my fuel filter, in the tunnel, and the injection port on cylinder #3.

During that very first take off, I had no clue as to why the EGT and CHT for one cylinder was hotter than the others, but Nick did. Â  This leads me to lesson number three.

As a first time builder it was incredibly helpful to have an extremely experienced RV builder/pilot there with me the whole day.Â  He knew what was normal and what was abnormal.Â  He instantly suspected a partially clogged injection port and we had the situation remedied in a flash.Â  Without him, the day would have been much more stressful and probably would not have ended with our 2 subsequent successful flights.Â 

The new 2nd pilot rule maybe one of the smartest things the FAA has done in quite some time.Â 

Shannon Hicks

N898SE

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civengpe

Joined: 14 Feb 2011
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:15 am Post subject: First Flight Report

I forgot to add another lesson learned.



I am not very good at editing videos to make them interesting!Â  Here is the video of what I am calling my first real flight!Â  I apologize for the music, but I had to put something there.





https://youtu.be/rwKsPjCL458



Shannon

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]Here are a few lessons I learned during my first flight day. Â 



I didn't invite any friends or family to witness the first flight.Â  It was a very private affair, because I didn't want any undue pressure to fly when I should scrub.Â  The downside to this was that I don't have any kick ass videos showing the plane taking off for the first time, but I also wasn't afraid to cancel the flight.Â  This was a really hard decision for me to make.Â  After spending 4 years working on this project, I wanted to share the experience with as many people as I could especially everyone that had helped me along the way.Â  But, in the end, I believe that I made the right decision for me. Â 

Â 



It was incredibly easy to get a clogged fuel injector. During the very first takeoff, the EGT and CHT of cylinder #3 were higher than any of the others. This was due to a partially blocked fuel injector.Â  I was shocked at how small the debris was when we opened it up.Â  It was maybe the half the size of a grain of sand.Â  I had mostly homemade hoses FWF that I thought I had cleaned and flushed thoroughly.Â  Apparently, this little spec of trash was hiding somewhere between my fuel filter, in the tunnel, and the injection port on cylinder #3.

During that very first take off, I had no clue as to why the EGT and CHT for one cylinder was hotter than the others, but Nick did. Â  This leads me to lesson number three.

As a first time builder it was incredibly helpful to have an extremely experienced RV builder/pilot there with me the whole day.Â  He knew what was normal and what was abnormal.Â  He instantly suspected a partially clogged injection port and we had the situation remedied in a flash.Â  Without him, the day would have been much more stressful and probably would not have ended with our 2 subsequent successful flights.Â 

The new 2nd pilot rule maybe one of the smartest things the FAA has done in quite some time.Â 

Shannon Hicks

N898SE

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 Great job Shannon!Â  Can feel your excitement,Â  a great motivator for those of us shortly behind you.Â  Keep us posted on how everything goes and have some fun!

 

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Joined: 20 Sep 2008
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:03 am Post subject: First Flight Report

Congrats Shannon

Enjoy the new toy it is well worth the effort.

I completely agree with you view in the second pilot rule. In Canada, Transport Canada encourages a second set of eyes and hands on board for the first flight. It is far safer when you can have a very experienced instructor in the right seat. For the very rare occasions when something goes wrong it will be worth it. 

Cheers

Les



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On Oct 15, 2015, at 07:06, Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]Here are a few lessons I learned during my first flight day.  



I didn't invite any friends or family to witness the first flight.  It was a very private affair, because I didn't want any undue pressure to fly when I should scrub.  The downside to this was that I don't have any kick ass videos showing the plane taking off for the first time, but I also wasn't afraid to cancel the flight.  This was a really hard decision for me to make.  After spending 4 years working on this project, I wanted to share the experience with as many people as I could especially everyone that had helped me along the way.  But, in the end, I believe that I made the right decision for me.  

 



It was incredibly easy to get a clogged fuel injector. During the very first takeoff, the EGT and CHT of cylinder #3 were higher than any of the others. This was due to a partially blocked fuel injector.  I was shocked at how small the debris was when we opened it up.  It was maybe the half the size of a grain of sand.  I had mostly homemade hoses FWF that I thought I had cleaned and flushed thoroughly.  Apparently, this little spec of trash was hiding somewhere between my fuel filter, in the tunnel, and the injection port on cylinder #3.

During that very first take off, I had no clue as to why the EGT and CHT for one cylinder was hotter than the others, but Nick did.   This leads me to lesson number three.

As a first time builder it was incredibly helpful to have an extremely experienced RV builder/pilot there with me the whole day.  He knew what was normal and what was abnormal.  He instantly suspected a partially clogged injection port and we had the situation remedied in a flash.  Without him, the day would have been much more stressful and probably would not have ended with our 2 subsequent successful flights. 

The new 2nd pilot rule maybe one of the smartest things the FAA has done in quite some time. 

Shannon Hicks

N898SE

Phase 1

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 7:09 AM, Rich Hansen <karolamy(at)roadrunner.com (karolamy(at)roadrunner.com)> wrote:

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 Great job Shannon!  Can feel your excitement,  a great motivator for those of us shortly behind you.  Keep us posted on how everything goes and have some fun!

 

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Joined: 26 Feb 2006
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:42 am Post subject: First Flight Report

Congrats Shannon.



The music is fitting.  I had plenty of friends and family that thought I 

was crazy 10 years ago when I started building.  Those same people now 

line up for a ride. 



-Sean #40303



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		   Shannon Hicks <mailto:civeng123(at)gmail.com>

 October 15, 2015 at 8:12 AM

 I forgot to add another lesson learned.



 I am not very good at editing videos to make them interesting!  Here 

 is the video of what I am calling my first real flight!  I apologize 

 for the music, but I had to put something there.

 https://youtu.be/rwKsPjCL458



 Shannon

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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:10 am Post subject: First Flight Report

I agree completely. Nice write-up. 

I do also like the new 2nd pilot rule, but I NEVER do first flight with more than one person. I just don't think it's worth the risk. The trouble here is if the owner/builder wants to do the first flight himself unless he is a very experienced pilot. I have done now about 6-10 first flights, and always alone. If things work correctly and no major issues on first flight, then maybe the owner/builder on the second flight. Usually it's third flight, though. 



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

352-427-0285

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

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On Oct 15, 2015, at 8:06 AM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com (civeng123(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]Here are a few lessons I learned during my first flight day.  



I didn't invite any friends or family to witness the first flight.  It was a very private affair, because I didn't want any undue pressure to fly when I should scrub.  The downside to this was that I don't have any kick ass videos showing the plane taking off for the first time, but I also wasn't afraid to cancel the flight.  This was a really hard decision for me to make.  After spending 4 years working on this project, I wanted to share the experience with as many people as I could especially everyone that had helped me along the way.  But, in the end, I believe that I made the right decision for me.  

 



It was incredibly easy to get a clogged fuel injector. During the very first takeoff, the EGT and CHT of cylinder #3 were higher than any of the others. This was due to a partially blocked fuel injector.  I was shocked at how small the debris was when we opened it up.  It was maybe the half the size of a grain of sand.  I had mostly homemade hoses FWF that I thought I had cleaned and flushed thoroughly.  Apparently, this little spec of trash was hiding somewhere between my fuel filter, in the tunnel, and the injection port on cylinder #3.

During that very first take off, I had no clue as to why the EGT and CHT for one cylinder was hotter than the others, but Nick did.   This leads me to lesson number three.

As a first time builder it was incredibly helpful to have an extremely experienced RV builder/pilot there with me the whole day.  He knew what was normal and what was abnormal.  He instantly suspected a partially clogged injection port and we had the situation remedied in a flash.  Without him, the day would have been much more stressful and probably would not have ended with our 2 subsequent successful flights. 

The new 2nd pilot rule maybe one of the smartest things the FAA has done in quite some time. 

Shannon Hicks

N898SE

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Tim Olson

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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:58 am Post subject: First Flight Report

I have to say that I think that the additional pilot program is

kind of a mixed bag too.  There are to many factors to make

a blanket statement as to if I agree with everything, or not,

or if I find it useful, and I actually appreciate Jesse's position

that he does the first flights alone.  I'll give you an example.



Pilot Builder has 125 hours, with almost nothing in RV-10's

other than some quick transition training, and many of

the hours are not recent, as airplane building took

all the available time and money.



Other dude pilot, me, has over 1100 hours in RV10's.



With this in mind, who do you stick in the left seat,

and who's going to be the one at the controls?



 From my perspective, I'd be happy to do a first flight FOR

someone, but I'm not all that interested in being subjected

to the risk of being WITH someone, if I'm not the one at

the controls.  Certainly, if something does go wrong,

a person would claim that they'd want the most experience,

and most current person at the controls, but in actual

application, this isn't necessarily what happens.  What

actually happens is that the guy with much less experience

wants to fly it, because he built it.  Now, I do have

great respect for this, and I personally could not do

it any other way.  But I do think that from a risk/safety

perspective this isn't the best situation.

If I'm along in the plane, I want to be seated in the

seat that I am most comfortable to have the proper

reactions and natural feel in, and I want to be 100%

responsible for the safety of the flight and getting the

plane back on the ground regardless of emergency

situation.  So while I am willing to do a first flight,

or even do a first flight with someone, I'm not willing

to just be a ride-along for a first flight unless the

other person is similar current and skilled...and honestly,

if they were, they wouldn't be asking me along in the

first place.   And as far as having someone ride along

with you, I can tell you first hand that the most

dangerous times I've had probably, from an attention

standpoint, are when you put two pilot friends together

in a cockpit.  It's fine if you can strictly follow

solid CRM, but any extra chatter or communication just

decreases safety.



So I think that the additional pilot program

can actually promote safety, but it may even do

the opposite if not used properly, and builders need to

understand what they are asking for when they ask

someone to go along as an additional pilot.

Purely from the standpoint of the builder, sure, he

may indeed be safer having the highly qualified additional

pilot with them, if they follow good CRM, even with him

at the controls.  But, that isn't necessarily the

safest situation for that flight.



I'll have a first flight coming up again sometime

in the next year, and I would be the only one in the plane

for that one, with or without the program.  I'd strongly

encourage transition training for all people, and my personal

opinion is, if you get adequate transition training, and

do enough to be current, you really can have that dream

of being the one to do your own first flight if you want to.

You just have to put the time in beforehand.

Tim



On 10/15/2015 11:07 AM, Jesse Saint wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I agree completely. Nice write-up.



 I do also like the new 2nd pilot rule, but I NEVER do first flight with

 more than one person. I just don't think it's worth the risk. The

 trouble here is if the owner/builder wants to do the first flight

 himself unless he is a very experienced pilot. I have done now about

 6-10 first flights, and always alone. If things work correctly and no

 major issues on first flight, then maybe the owner/builder on the second

 flight. Usually it's third flight, though.



 Jesse Saint

 Saint Aviation, Inc.

 352-427-0285

 jesse(at)saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse(at)saintaviation.com>



 Sent from my iPad



 On Oct 15, 2015, at 8:06 AM, Shannon Hicks <civeng123(at)gmail.com

 <mailto:civeng123(at)gmail.com>> wrote:



> Here are a few lessons I learned during my first flight day.

>

> I didn't invite any friends or family to witness the first flight.  It

> was a very private affair, because I didn't want any undue pressure to

> fly when I should scrub.  The downside to this was that I don't have

> any kick ass videos showing the plane taking off for the first time,

> but I also wasn't afraid to cancel the flight.  This was a really hard

> decision for me to make.  After spending 4 years working on this

> project, I wanted to share the experience with as many people as I

> could especially everyone that had helped me along the way.  But, in

> the end, I believe that I made the right decision for me.

>

> It was incredibly easy to get a clogged fuel injector. During the very

> first takeoff, the EGT and CHT of cylinder #3 were higher than any of

> the others. This was due to a partially blocked fuel injector.  I was

> shocked at how small the debris was when we opened it up.  It was

> maybe the half the size of a grain of sand.  I had mostly homemade

> hoses FWF that I thought I had cleaned and flushed thoroughly.

> Apparently, this little spec of trash was hiding somewhere between my

> fuel filter, in the tunnel, and the injection port on cylinder #3.

>

> During that very first take off, I had no clue as to why the EGT and

> CHT for one cylinder was hotter than the others, but Nick did.   This

> leads me to lesson number three.

>

> As a first time builder it was incredibly helpful to have an extremely

> experienced RV builder/pilot there with me the whole day.  He knew

> what was normal and what was abnormal.  He instantly suspected a

> partially clogged injection port and we had the situation remedied in

> a flash.  Without him, the day would have been much more stressful and

> probably would not have ended with our 2 subsequent successful flights.

>

> The new 2nd pilot rule maybe one of the smartest things the FAA has

> done in quite some time.

>

> Shannon Hicks

> N898SE

> Phase 1

>

> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 7:09 AM, Rich Hansen <karolamy(at)roadrunner.com

> <mailto:karolamy(at)roadrunner.com>> wrote:

>

>     

>     <karolamy(at)roadrunner.com <mailto:karolamy(at)roadrunner.com>>

>

>     Great job Shannon!  Can feel your excitement,  a great motivator

>     for those of us shortly behind you.  Keep us posted on how

>     everything goes and have some fun!

>

>     --------

>     Rich Hansen

>     RV-6A

>     RV-10

>

>

>     Read this topic online here:

>

>     http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447967#447967

dmasys

Joined: 10 Dec 2011
Posts: 22

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:25 am Post subject: First Flight Report

Agree with Tim and Jesse on the seating and preference for doing first

flights for others' RV aircraft alone; have done three of these recently and

it much reduces the cognitive load on the test pilot to do it alone.



For helping other pilots who are 'in the zone' to do their own first flight

there is a nice middle ground, and that is to put them in the left seat of

your own RV-10 (with you along in right seat) just before they loose the

surly bonds in their own bird.  I did this for Brian Sutherland on the

morning of his first flight in his RV-10, going exactly the same route

orbiting the pattern that he intended to do, and having him do both the

takeoff and the landing as well as the cruise component.  Even though my

avionics were a different brand than his, it helped with muscle memory and

eye-hand coordination to go fly a flight-proven RV-10 just before strapping

on his own for the first time.



Safe travels,

-Dan Masys

RV-10 N104LD 830 hrs

RV-12 N122LD 280 hrs



--------------

Time: 09:58:33 AM PST US

Subject: Re: Re: First Flight Report

From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>

I have to say that I think that the additional pilot program is kind of a

mixed bag too.  There are to many factors to make a blanket statement as to

if I agree with everything, or not, or if I find it useful, and I actually

appreciate Jesse's position that he does the first flights alone.  I'll give

you an example.



Pilot Builder has 125 hours, with almost nothing in RV-10's other than some

quick transition training, and many of the hours are not recent, as airplane

building took all the available time and money.



Other dude pilot, me, has over 1100 hours in RV10's.



With this in mind, who do you stick in the left seat, and who's going to be

the one at the controls?



 From my perspective, I'd be happy to do a first flight FOR someone, but I'm

not all that interested in being subjected to the risk of being WITH

someone, if I'm not the one at the controls.  Certainly, if something does

go wrong, a person would claim that they'd want the most experience, and

most current person at the controls, but in actual application, this isn't

necessarily what happens.  What actually happens is that the guy with much

less experience wants to fly it, because he built it.  Now, I do have great

respect for this, and I personally could not do it any other way.  But I do

think that from a risk/safety perspective this isn't the best situation.

If I'm along in the plane, I want to be seated in the seat that I am most

comfortable to have the proper reactions and natural feel in, and I want to

be 100% responsible for the safety of the flight and getting the plane back

on the ground regardless of emergency situation.  So while I am willing to

do a first flight, or even do a first flight with someone, I'm not willing

to just be a ride-along for a first flight unless the other person is

similar current and skilled...and honestly, if they were, they wouldn't be

asking me along in the

first place.   And as far as having someone ride along

with you, I can tell you first hand that the most dangerous times I've had

probably, from an attention standpoint, are when you put two pilot friends

together in a cockpit.  It's fine if you can strictly follow solid CRM, but

any extra chatter or communication just decreases safety.



So I think that the additional pilot program can actually promote safety,

but it may even do the opposite if not used properly, and builders need to

understand what they are asking for when they ask someone to go along as an

additional pilot.

Purely from the standpoint of the builder, sure, he may indeed be safer

having the highly qualified additional pilot with them, if they follow good

CRM, even with him at the controls.  But, that isn't necessarily the safest

situation for that flight.



I'll have a first flight coming up again sometime in the next year, and I

would be the only one in the plane for that one, with or without the

program.  I'd strongly encourage transition training for all people, and my

personal opinion is, if you get adequate transition training, and do enough

to be current, you really can have that dream of being the one to do your

own first flight if you want to.

You just have to put the time in beforehand.

Tim

jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:44 am Post subject: First Flight Report

There is one issue that has not been mentioned, but should be understood in all of this. The fact of having flown another RV-10'that same morning or having had transition training, etc is all fine IFF everything goes well with the flight. The issue that comes into play is who is in charge, and what does the low-time pilot do IF something goes wrong or doesn't fly the way it should. That is when I want someone very comfortable in that model of plane, and preferably relatively high-time, and possibly has time in several or more different planes of the same model in control. This is the main reason that I do first flights alone or I don't do them at all. I have flown at least 20+ different RV-10's, and have almost 900 hours in them. I know how they feel and the different ranges of "normal". If something doesn't feel right, I would like to think I can tell when something doesn't feel right and maybe even tell what doesn't feel right. This is something that a low-time pilot, and one with just transition training will likely not be able to do. There are likely others who are MUCH more qualified to do first flights than I am, but that is where the extra pilot matrix comes to play for after the first flight. 



Btw, before I will climb in any plane for a first flight, I go through all of the critical items first, even if it takes a day or two, to make sure that I am willing to put my life in it. 



In a way, it's like riveting. Those of us who have built these planes can hear when a river sets correctly. We can hear and feel in the rivet gun when the shop head is correct. If you ask someone who is new to it, they will say (I have done this lately) that they can't hear or feel any difference. 



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

352-427-0285

jesse(at)saintaviation.com



Sent from my iPad



 	  Quote: 	
		   On Oct 16, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Dan Masys <dmasys(at)u.washington.edu> wrote:

 

 

 

 Agree with Tim and Jesse on the seating and preference for doing first

 flights for others' RV aircraft alone; have done three of these recently and

 it much reduces the cognitive load on the test pilot to do it alone.

 

 For helping other pilots who are 'in the zone' to do their own first flight

 there is a nice middle ground, and that is to put them in the left seat of

 your own RV-10 (with you along in right seat) just before they loose the

 surly bonds in their own bird.  I did this for Brian Sutherland on the

 morning of his first flight in his RV-10, going exactly the same route

 orbiting the pattern that he intended to do, and having him do both the

 takeoff and the landing as well as the cruise component.  Even though my

 avionics were a different brand than his, it helped with muscle memory and

 eye-hand coordination to go fly a flight-proven RV-10 just before strapping

 on his own for the first time.

 

 Safe travels,

 -Dan Masys

 RV-10 N104LD 830 hrs

 RV-12 N122LD 280 hrs

 

 --------------

 Time: 09:58:33 AM PST US

 Subject: Re: Re: First Flight Report

 From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>

 

 

 I have to say that I think that the additional pilot program is kind of a

 mixed bag too.  There are to many factors to make a blanket statement as to

 if I agree with everything, or not, or if I find it useful, and I actually

 appreciate Jesse's position that he does the first flights alone.  I'll give

 you an example.

 

 Pilot Builder has 125 hours, with almost nothing in RV-10's other than some

 quick transition training, and many of the hours are not recent, as airplane

 building took all the available time and money.

 

 Other dude pilot, me, has over 1100 hours in RV10's.

 

 With this in mind, who do you stick in the left seat, and who's going to be

 the one at the controls?

 

 From my perspective, I'd be happy to do a first flight FOR someone, but I'm

 not all that interested in being subjected to the risk of being WITH

 someone, if I'm not the one at the controls.  Certainly, if something does

 go wrong, a person would claim that they'd want the most experience, and

 most current person at the controls, but in actual application, this isn't

 necessarily what happens.  What actually happens is that the guy with much

 less experience wants to fly it, because he built it.  Now, I do have great

 respect for this, and I personally could not do it any other way.  But I do

 think that from a risk/safety perspective this isn't the best situation.

 If I'm along in the plane, I want to be seated in the seat that I am most

 comfortable to have the proper reactions and natural feel in, and I want to

 be 100% responsible for the safety of the flight and getting the plane back

 on the ground regardless of emergency situation.  So while I am willing to

 do a first flight, or even do a first flight with someone, I'm not willing

 to just be a ride-along for a first flight unless the other person is

 similar current and skilled...and honestly, if they were, they wouldn't be

 asking me along in the

 first place.   And as far as having someone ride along

 with you, I can tell you first hand that the most dangerous times I've had

 probably, from an attention standpoint, are when you put two pilot friends

 together in a cockpit.  It's fine if you can strictly follow solid CRM, but

 any extra chatter or communication just decreases safety.

 

 So I think that the additional pilot program can actually promote safety,

 but it may even do the opposite if not used properly, and builders need to

 understand what they are asking for when they ask someone to go along as an

 additional pilot.

 Purely from the standpoint of the builder, sure, he may indeed be safer

 having the highly qualified additional pilot with them, if they follow good

 CRM, even with him at the controls.  But, that isn't necessarily the safest

 situation for that flight.

 

 I'll have a first flight coming up again sometime in the next year, and I

 would be the only one in the plane for that one, with or without the

 program.  I'd strongly encourage transition training for all people, and my

 personal opinion is, if you get adequate transition training, and do enough

 to be current, you really can have that dream of being the one to do your

 own first flight if you want to.

 You just have to put the time in beforehand.

 

 

 Tim

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