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 Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:43 pm Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Or a full scale Nieuport 28 with a Rotec r3600. Not blinding speed but...
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| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:04 pm Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Where were the guns on that real warbird?
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Or a full scale Nieuport 28 with a Rotec r3600. Not blinding speed but...
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| Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:10 pm Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Well the foreign Operators had guns, so I guess that qualifies.
I drop flower bombs from my Yak at 1/3rd the cost.
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Or a full scale Nieuport 28 with a Rotec r3600. Not blinding speed but...
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:57 am Post subject: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Well I don't consider Yak to be a cross country plane so you really need two planes one to travel in and another for acrobatics and airshows. For 100K, one can have both.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:13 am Post subject: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Get whatever puts the smile on YOUR face..not someone elses.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:15 pm Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:35 am Post subject: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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I need to fly in a CJ6 and T34 to make the decision!
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| Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:38 am Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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T-34 = No Aerobatics Big price No upside down Faster Target not so many Just a Bonanza
CJ6 = Aerobatics 1/2 price Upside down Not so much Fighter Lots of fun folks and fly-ins Not just an airplane
Yak = Best aerobatics 1/4 price Better upside down Not so much Best fighter Ditto Not just a CJ6
What are you trying to decide?
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| Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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What am I trying to decide?
Which plane I like best as price is similar for a nice CJ6 versus a nice T34.
Right now I don't need advanced acro plane and for that an Extra or Pitts works better. I love the Yak but its range and cargo space is not that good for more than an hour flight. Perhaps someone who has owned both a CJ6 and a T34 might have some insights. Cost is similar. I see nice CJ6 for 120-150K and nice T34 in same price range. Fuel burn is similar and MX except for wing spar AD then would image similar as well.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 5:46 pm Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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All good aircraft, no bad choices. My criteria would be to get the type of aircraft that is active in your area. Having a group to fly with will increase your enjoyment immensely.
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What am I trying to decide?
Which plane I like best as price is similar for a nice CJ6 versus a nice T34.
Right now I don't need advanced acro plane and for that an Extra or Pitts works better. I love the Yak but its range and cargo space is not that good for more than an hour flight. Perhaps someone who has owned both a CJ6 and a T34 might have some insights. Cost is similar. I see nice CJ6 for 120-150K and nice T34 in same price range. Fuel burn is similar and MX except for wing spar AD then would image similar as well.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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| pilotdog57(at)aol.com wrote: | All good aircraft, no bad choices. My criteria would be to get the type of aircraft that is active in your area. Having a group to fly with will increase your enjoyment immensely.
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This times 1000. Find out what the guys in your area fly and for which you can get local maintenance support and parts.
Also, keep in mind that the CJ and Yak are experimental which significantly opens up your options for mods (e.g., ADS-B, etc.), parts, etc.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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True well I live in San Diego but next year or two plan to buy land and private airstrip in a cheaper state like Arizona, Nevada, Oregon or maybe Florida. Not sure what community exists here and in the southwest?
Julie Clark flies a T34 and she is one of the most famous airshow aerobatic pilots.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:16 am Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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There is no shortage of CJ, Yak, and T-34's to fly with in the SoCal, Southwest areas. Florida as well. I don't know much about Oregon.
Get what you can afford to buy, operate, and maintain and that best fits your mission.
Good luck and happy new year!
Todd McCutchanT-34A & Yak-50
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| Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:59 am Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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You might want to look at what some common replacement parts will cost you visa C-6 to T-34. Engine overhauls are slightly cheaper. Annuals or conditional inspections are cheaper and can be done a an A&P on CJ. I once happened compared replacing gear handles. $1,200 for the T-34 switch, $200 for the CJ's valve. CJ is A LOT easier to repair. A bird strike on a leading edge is a universe easier to repair.
As far a handling characteristic, almost the same. They use the same airfoil - no different other than span and plan form. Weights nearly identical.
Because they are cheaper to fly over haul, you more money to spend on fuel thus you get to fly more. That's whole idea right?
And then there is that verse in the RPA song:
"Don't give me T-34.
"She's just a money hungry whore"
"Her spars and bend and brake"
"In her, you're life's is at stake"
"No I don't want a T-34"
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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I need to fly in a CJ6 and T34 to make the decision!
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| Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:13 am Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Look up FD44 - Eagle's Nest Aerodrome in Florida. LOW TAXES = more flying. CHEAPER FUEL = more flying. Cheaper real estate = more flying.
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True well I live in San Diego but next year or two plan to buy land and private airstrip in a cheaper state like Arizona, Nevada, Oregon or maybe Florida. Not sure what community exists here and in the southwest?
Julie Clark flies a T34 and she is one of the most famous airshow aerobatic pilots.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:32 am Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Gosh. I better sell mine right away! Whoever tried to sell you a gear handle for $1200 is an idiot. $60 is the real price.
Speed, comfort, efficiency, reliability, baggage, range, AN parts (aircraft spruce), parts manuals, and any A&P can work on it/familiar with it - T-34. Will cost more to buy but cost less to maintain. In 6 years and 800 hours I rarely need to do anything besides put gas in it.
CJ6 is a good plane. Cheaper to buy, not as reliable but as said pretty easy to support thanks to Doug Sapp, Jill, the Coy's, ACE Hardware and Harbor Freight. It's a bit slower, cockpits smaller, no heat, hard to access and smaller baggage. Overall a very good option.
Yak 52 is really a local only plane that is the only serious aerobatic choice (other than Yak 50). Standard tanks offer very limited range but it has a full inverted system. Cockpits are slightly less roomy (especially back) than the CJ and the plane is the slowest of bunch in cruise. It is also the cheapest to buy. Reliability and support will be on par with the CJ.
Todd McCutchanT-34A & Yak-50
Cell: (260) 402-1740
E-mail: todd(at)fastaircraft.com (todd(at)fastaircraft.com)
www.fastaircraft.com
On Dec 27, 2015, at 7:56 AM, cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com) wrote:
| Quote: | You might want to look at what some common replacement parts will cost you visa C-6 to T-34. Engine overhauls are slightly cheaper. Annuals or conditional inspections are cheaper and can be done a an A&P on CJ. I once happened compared replacing gear handles. $1,200 for the T-34 switch, $200 for the CJ's valve. CJ is A LOT easier to repair. A bird strike on a leading edge is a universe easier to repair.
As far a handling characteristic, almost the same. They use the same airfoil - no different other than span and plan form. Weights nearly identical.
Because they are cheaper to fly over haul, you more money to spend on fuel thus you get to fly more. That's whole idea right?
And then there is that verse in the RPA song:
"Don't give me T-34.
"She's just a money hungry whore"
"Her spars and bend and brake"
"In her, you're life's is at stake"
"No I don't want a T-34"
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 12/26/2015 11:39:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mixxalot(at)yahoo.com (mixxalot(at)yahoo.com) writes:
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I need to fly in a CJ6 and T34 to make the decision!
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| Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:41 am Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Tell us who so we don’t buy from them.
On Dec 27, 2015, at 8:23, Todd McCutchan <todd(at)fastaircraft.com (todd(at)fastaircraft.com)> wrote:
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Gosh. I better sell mine right away! Whoever tried to sell you a gear handle for $1200 is an idiot. $60 is the real price.
Speed, comfort, efficiency, reliability, baggage, range, AN parts (aircraft spruce), parts manuals, and any A&P can work on it/familiar with it - T-34. Will cost more to buy but cost less to maintain. In 6 years and 800 hours I rarely need to do anything besides put gas in it.
CJ6 is a good plane. Cheaper to buy, not as reliable but as said pretty easy to support thanks to Doug Sapp, Jill, the Coy's, ACE Hardware and Harbor Freight. It's a bit slower, cockpits smaller, no heat, hard to access and smaller baggage. Overall a very good option.
Yak 52 is really a local only plane that is the only serious aerobatic choice (other than Yak 50). Standard tanks offer very limited range but it has a full inverted system. Cockpits are slightly less roomy (especially back) than the CJ and the plane is the slowest of bunch in cruise. It is also the cheapest to buy. Reliability and support will be on par with the CJ.
Todd McCutchanT-34A & Yak-50
Cell: (260) 402-1740
E-mail: todd(at)fastaircraft.com (todd(at)fastaircraft.com)
www.fastaircraft.com
On Dec 27, 2015, at 7:56 AM, cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com) wrote:
| Quote: | You might want to look at what some common replacement parts will cost you visa C-6 to T-34. Engine overhauls are slightly cheaper. Annuals or conditional inspections are cheaper and can be done a an A&P on CJ. I once happened compared replacing gear handles. $1,200 for the T-34 switch, $200 for the CJ's valve. CJ is A LOT easier to repair. A bird strike on a leading edge is a universe easier to repair.
As far a handling characteristic, almost the same. They use the same airfoil - no different other than span and plan form. Weights nearly identical.
Because they are cheaper to fly over haul, you more money to spend on fuel thus you get to fly more. That's whole idea right?
And then there is that verse in the RPA song:
"Don't give me T-34.
"She's just a money hungry whore"
"Her spars and bend and brake"
"In her, you're life's is at stake"
"No I don't want a T-34"
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 12/26/2015 11:39:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mixxalot(at)yahoo.com (mixxalot(at)yahoo.com) writes:
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I need to fly in a CJ6 and T34 to make the decision!
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| Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:46 am Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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I flew a t-34 out of a navy flying club, and loved it. I couldn't afford a t34, so eventually I got a cj6. I much prefer the CJ. I no longer own the CJ . What I have now is an IAR-823, Romanian trainer. Fully aerobatic , stick controls, 4 place, plenty of baggage space, Lycoming IO540 powered, 90 gal fuel capacity, 1100 mile range, 160 knot cruise. Prices comparable to the CJ .
And oh buy the way, mine is for sale.
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T-34 = No Aerobatics Big price No upside down Faster Target not so many Just a Bonanza
CJ6 = Aerobatics 1/2 price Upside down Not so much Fighter Lots of fun folks and fly-ins Not just an airplane
Yak = Best aerobatics 1/4 price Better upside down Not so much Best fighter Ditto Not just a CJ6
What are you trying to decide?
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| Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:49 am Post subject: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Thanks guys, great tips. I am looking to buy a place next year and my plane in same time period. Since I scuba dive Florida is great place for that if you can handle the humidity and bugs and dodge the many tstorms. For aircraft purchase, I still need to experience a CJ and T34. Another option is a Yak 52TW or Yak52 with extended fuel tanks for longer range.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:35 am Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Remember to fly in both the stock CJ6 and one with an M14p upgrade. They are different
Randy DeVere
| Quote: | On Dec 27, 2015, at 11:49, skyjockey <mixxalot(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks guys, great tips. I am looking to buy a place next year and my plane in same time period. Since I scuba dive Florida is great place for that if you can handle the humidity and bugs and dodge the many tstorms. For aircraft purchase, I still need to experience a CJ and T34. Another option is a Yak 52TW or Yak52 with extended fuel tanks for longer range.
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warbird and lover of all things that go fast and upside down!
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