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Scooter

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:50 am Post subject: The current Russian military trainer

What do the Russian's currently use as a basic trainer?  The Yak-52 still?  Or have they done away with prop training for military pilots?

richard.goode(at)russiana
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:34 am Post subject: The current Russian military trainer

All primary training in Russia  is done on the L-39.

  

 However the Air Force has  ordered, and indeed they are in production, a batch of 52M (long-range  fuel/bubble canopy/400-hp/3-blade prop/pilot extraction systems), but none yet  delivered.

  

 Richard Goode  

 

Richard Goode Aerobatics

Rhodds  Farm

Lyonshall

Herefordshire

HR5 3LW

United Kingdom

  

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martin(at)buzzardaviation
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:43 am Post subject: The current Russian military trainer

At 15:33 05/07/2006, you wrote:

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		   All primary training in Russia is done on the L-39.

  

 However the Air Force has ordered, and indeed they are in production, a batch of 52M (long-range fuel/bubble canopy/400-hp/3-blade prop/pilot extraction systems), but none yet delivered.

  

 Richard Goode 	


 Please keep me informed about the 52M. My 18T currently with Bela or annual. Hoping to fly en masse to Tannheim from Gyor/Byon on the 14th.  



 Nice to finally meet you at Shobdon. How is the round the world trip going in the turbine 18?

 

 Happy Landings

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         \O/           

         o'o           Martin Robinson



 martin(at)cub.flyer.co.uk

  www.cub.flyer.co.uk



 Auster AOP 9  G-BKVK (WZ662)

 Yak 18T  HA-YAV

richard.goode(at)russiana
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:59 am Post subject: The Current Russian Military Trainer

I should add that the 52Ms are old (but  low-time) airframes being reconditioned and converted.

  

 Richard Goode

 

Richard Goode Aerobatics

Rhodds  Farm

Lyonshall

Herefordshire

HR5 3LW

United Kingdom

  

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Mob:  +44 (0) 7768  610389

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schwartzcompany(at)att.ne
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:08 am Post subject: The Current Russian Military Trainer

will there be any chance at some point to get a  set of the new wings and bubble canopy?

  

  

 ROBERT  SCHWARTZ



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   I should add that the 52Ms are old (but    low-time) airframes being reconditioned and converted.

    

   Richard Goode

   

Richard Goode Aerobatics

Rhodds    Farm

Lyonshall

Herefordshire

HR5 3LW

United Kingdom

    

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Mob:  +44 (0) 7768    610389

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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:37 am Post subject: The Current Russian Military Trainer

In a message dated 7/6/2006 9:09:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, schwartzcompany(at)att.net writes: 

 

I have always been interested in the Russian extraction seats.  For light aircraft they seem more practical than a full aircraft let down system.  However fitting them into a CJ without major canopy modes (and I love the sliding canopy) makes them hard as a retrofit. ( At least I can't figure how to do it).  But for the formation flying and formation acrobatics guys this would be a great safety asset. 

 

Installation + cost would drive the price of these things.  A lot of guys might try some really exciting flying IF the was a way to get out of a screw up. 

 

Jim "Pappy" Goolsby 

 

 

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Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:54 AM 

Subject: The Current Russian Military Trainer 

 

 

I should add that the 52Ms are old (but low-time) airframes being reconditioned and converted. 

  

Richard Goode 

 

Richard Goode Aerobatics 

Rhodds Farm

schwartzcompany(at)att.ne
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:12 am Post subject: The Current Russian Military Trainer

 If the cost was at all reasonable, or if a eastern european  provider could be found,   installing the new Yak M wing on our older  52's would have great interest to me.,  Better cruise speed,    more fuel etc

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In a message dated 7/6/2006 9:09:57 AM Eastern    Daylight Time, schwartzcompany(at)att.net (schwartzcompany(at)att.net) writes:    

I have always been interested in the Russian extraction seats.     For light aircraft they seem more practical than a full aircraft let    down system.  However fitting them into a CJ without major canopy modes    (and I love the sliding canopy) makes them hard as a retrofit. ( At least I    can't figure how to do it).  But for the formation flying and formation    acrobatics guys this would be a great safety asset. 

Installation +    cost would drive the price of these things.  A lot of guys might try some    really exciting flying IF the was a way to get out of a screw up. 

Jim    "Pappy" Goolsby 

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		  To: YAK USA      LIST (yak-list(at)matronics.com) 

Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:54 AM      

Subject: The Current Russian Military Trainer      

I should add that the 52Ms are old (but low-time) airframes      being reconditioned and converted. 

Richard Goode 

Richard      Goode Aerobatics 

Rhodds Farm

dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:25 am Post subject: The Current Russian Military Trainer

IMHO (which really isn't worth a whole lot) regardless if a CJ  or Yak 52 had ejection seats, I seriously doubt the owners would say "oh well"  and eject.   Bailing out using our existing emergency parachutes runs  a very close second to ejecting during screw ups.  I can't recall anyone  saying "oh well" and bailing out.  All those that had the opportunity to  bail and had chutes of course, chose not to egress and ultimately  became statistics.

  

 Maybe a another solution would be to install the  Cirrus aircraft emergency parachute system.  Probably would cost less  than two ejection seats.  

 Dennis

   

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richard.goode(at)russiana
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:50 am Post subject: The Current Russian Military Trainer

The 'new' wings with integral  long-range tanks are of course simply modifications of existing  wings.

  

 The modification is a very  substantial one, and although we have had a few kits made with Yakovlev in  Moscow to convert aeroplanes we are restoring in Russia, I suspect that the work  involved - i.e. rebuilding part of the wing is probably too expensive to make  sense in the West.

  

 We actually sent three kits  out to Australia, together with a technician to show them, and their feeling was  that he wasn't economic in the sense of what they could actually charge for the  conversion.

  

 For the bubble canopies, no  reason why they couldn't be obtained in the future. 

  

 However the problem is that  Yakovlev has to run commercially; the whole 52M programme has been costed at  huge prices for the military, and I suspect that even civilian 'run-ons' would  be expensive!

  

 Richard  Goode

 

Richard Goode Aerobatics

Rhodds  Farm

Lyonshall

Herefordshire

HR5 3LW

United Kingdom

  

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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:45 am Post subject: The Current Russian Military Trainer

Robert,

 You would be better of cost wise doing a TD conversion and gutting the cockpits of all the heavy avionics. If you just have to have a family model. However, as long as you have the Clark Y airfoil, you are looking at a slower airplane. You can only do so much and you still have to deal with the wing. It is still a great airplane no matter how you look at it. Still faster than the average spam can!

  If you want a faster, more agile, and just plan cool  YAK, get a 50. Without all that extra wt., it does cruise faster at the same power settings as the "Duece". Keep your Duece for those times you just need the family model to introduce someone to the Great World of YAKOVATING!

 Do not want to hear from you Chinese Yakkers about the agile and faster virtues of your CJ's. They are all great airplanes and fun to fly! For some of us Mil types, they make a pretty good and cheap replacement for the really fun iron that we used to fly. Saying that, I know there are a few of us that are still lucky enough to be flying Mil iron and fly our YAK/CJ's too!

  

 Doc

  

 



  

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