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yellowbird1

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:01 pm Post subject: Tire Replacement

Iâ€™m try to replace my tires on my Xtra but so far I am unable to remove them from the Matco split rims.  It seems that the beed sealer is being uncooperative (Iâ€™m thinking itâ€™s really epoxy or perhaps someone has found a new method to vulcanize rubber to metal). I havenâ€™t found any tire shop that will work on that size of wheel.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks in advance,



Brad Nation

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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:25 pm Post subject: Tire Replacement

Golf cart dealer? Some tire distributors that have a retail dept might do it, as well. Or, a small tire shop in a smaller community will often sell atv/utv tires.

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Iâ€™m try to replace my tires on my Xtra but so far I am unable to remove them from the Matco split rims.  It seems that the beed sealer is being uncooperative (Iâ€™m thinking itâ€™s really epoxy or perhaps someone has found a new method to vulcanize rubber to metal). I havenâ€™t found any tire shop that will work on that size of wheel.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Brad Nation

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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 5:08 am Post subject: Tire Replacement

Try a fork lift dealer.  They work on small diameter stuff.  Maybe somebody used a petroleum based product to put them on.  Raises hell trying to get them off.  Petroleum will dissolve rubber.

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 Date: Thursday, February 18, 2016, 12:01 AM

 

 

 Bradley Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net>

 

 Iâ€™m try to replace my tires on my Xtra but so far I am

 unable to remove them from the Matco split rims.Â  It

 seems that the beed sealer is being uncooperative (Iâ€™m

 thinking itâ€™s really epoxy or perhaps someone has found a

 new method to vulcanize rubber to metal). I havenâ€™t found

 any tire shop that will work on that size of wheel.Â 

 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 

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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:20 am Post subject: Tire Replacement

I break tires loose by laying a board on the tire next to the rim and 

running a wheel of an auto on the board.. Herb



On 02/18/2016 07:08 AM, william sullivan wrote:

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    Try a fork lift dealer.  They work on small diameter stuff.  Maybe somebody used a petroleum based product to put them on.  Raises hell trying to get them off.  Petroleum will dissolve rubber.

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   Subject: Tire Replacement

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   Date: Thursday, February 18, 2016, 12:01 AM

   

   

   Bradley Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net>

   

   Iâ€™m try to replace my tires on my Xtra but so far I am

   unable to remove them from the Matco split rims.  It

   seems that the beed sealer is being uncooperative (Iâ€™m

   thinking itâ€™s really epoxy or perhaps someone has found a

   new method to vulcanize rubber to metal). I havenâ€™t found

   any tire shop that will work on that size of wheel.

   Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

   

   Thanks in advance,

   

   Brad Nation

   

   

   

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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:28 am Post subject: Tire Replacement

Never used tire sealer on wheels, but had a couple Armstrong tires that refused to release from the beads on either the FS or MKIII wheels.  The tire beads were tougher than the light aluminum wheels.



Eventually used a die grinder and cut off wheel to cut the wire bead so I could cut them off.



Don't know anything about golf carts.  Do they use a one piece or a split rim?  I have ATV and SXS one piece wheels and tires mounted and dismounted at regular tire shops, but they would not touch one of these aluminum split rims.  A small "shade tree" shop somewhere might tackle the job.



I had a flat tire when I landed at Fort Nelson, British Columbia, in 2004.  A motorcycle gang was using a hanger to build bikes.  They tackled the job for me, took me all the way to town to get some patches.  Could have never gotten the job done by myself.



I think aircraft tires come off much easier than the golf cart type tires.



john h

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Titus, Alabama



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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:39 am Post subject: Tire Replacement

Golf cart wheels are one piece; similar in concept to automotive wheels. 

The reason I mentioned them is that they will have a bead breaker usable 

on small diameter wheels. Leave the wheel assembled, & let them break 

the bead on both sides. I'd assume that once the bead is broken free, he 

can handle the rest of the job himself.



On 2/18/2016 8:28 AM, John Hauck wrote:

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 Never used tire sealer on wheels, but had a couple Armstrong tires that refused to release from the beads on either the FS or MKIII wheels.  The tire beads were tougher than the light aluminum wheels.



 Eventually used a die grinder and cut off wheel to cut the wire bead so I could cut them off.



 Don't know anything about golf carts.  Do they use a one piece or a split rim?  I have ATV and SXS one piece wheels and tires mounted and dismounted at regular tire shops, but they would not touch one of these aluminum split rims.  A small "shade tree" shop somewhere might tackle the job.



 I had a flat tire when I landed at Fort Nelson, British Columbia, in 2004.  A motorcycle gang was using a hanger to build bikes.  They tackled the job for me, took me all the way to town to get some patches.  Could have never gotten the job done by myself.



 I think aircraft tires come off much easier than the golf cart type tires.



 john h

 mkIII

 Titus, Alabama



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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:42 am Post subject: Tire Replacement

I like it.  I'll file that one away in my (computer) memory banks for 

future use.



On 2/18/2016 8:19 AM, Herb wrote:

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 I break tires loose by laying a board on the tire next to the rim and 

 running a wheel of an auto on the board.. Herb



 On 02/18/2016 07:08 AM, william sullivan wrote:

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> <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>

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>    Try a fork lift dealer.  They work on small diameter stuff. Maybe 

> somebody used a petroleum based product to put them on. Raises hell 

> trying to get them off.  Petroleum will dissolve rubber.

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> On Thu, 2/18/16, Bradley Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net> wrote:

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>   Subject: Tire Replacement

>   To: "Kolb-list" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>

>   Date: Thursday, February 18, 2016, 12:01 AM

>     

>   Bradley Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net>

>     Iâ€™m try to replace my tires on my Xtra but so far I am

>   unable to remove them from the Matco split rims.  It

>   seems that the beed sealer is being uncooperative (Iâ€™m

>   thinking itâ€™s really epoxy or perhaps someone has found a

>   new method to vulcanize rubber to metal). I havenâ€™t found

>   any tire shop that will work on that size of wheel.

>   Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>     Thanks in advance,

>     Brad Nation

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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:59 am Post subject: Tire Replacement

Problem with breaking tough beads on UL type aluminum wheels is the tire bead is tougher than the aluminum wheel.  Very easy to ruin a wheel in the process.  The reason I cut the bead with a die grinder was to sacrifice the "off road" tire before I sacrificed the wheel.  I'd have second thoughts about butchering an aircraft tire.



john h

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lcottrell

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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:48 pm Post subject: Tire Replacement

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Seems like only yesterday that some one suggested that I glue my tires on

rather than use screws to keep them from slipping at low pressure. I think

I will stick with the screws. I don't have a tire changer, but I do have a

screw gun. 



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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:53 pm Post subject: Tire Replacement

Is seems like only yesterday that several people were telling me to use bead sealer rather than screws to keep my tires from slipping at low pressure. I think I will stick with the screws.



Larry





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 Iâ€™m try to replace my tires on my Xtra but so far I am unable to remove them from the Matco split rims.Â  It seems that the beed sealer is being uncooperative (Iâ€™m thinking itâ€™s really epoxy or perhaps someone has found a new method to vulcanize rubber to metal). I havenâ€™t found any tire shop that will work on that size of wheel.Â  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 

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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:55 am Post subject: Re: Tire Replacement

I bought this mini tire changer six years ago at Northern Tool. It has worked well for me. They no longer carry it, but Harbor Freight is advertising it.

Hope that helps!

Dave Watkins

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Wow! That turned out way bigger than I intended! Sorry!

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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 7:40 am Post subject: Tire Replacement

I have struggled in the past to break the bead on my Matco wheels. Created a few tools with limited success. The last time I needed to change a tube was at Airventure. Landed on the grass on the UL strip with a totally flat tire, no brakes needed. Taxi speed was slow and lumby. John Williamson followed my in, grumbled later he almost landed on top of me.

Took the wheel/tire to the EAA repair shop with a newly purchased tube. I used their small wheel bead breaker. The bead separated very easy with no deformation of the wheel. The tire changer that has been indicated looks like it could stress the wheel when trying to break the bead. Once these tires seat they really bond themselves to the wheel. HF also sells a small wheel bead breaker that I have been telling myself I will buy next time I change my tires. Getting close little/no tread left.

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Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:21 pm Post subject: Tire Replacement

All I can say is that the tires are not slipping, that's for sure.

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Is seems like only yesterday that several people were telling me to use bead sealer rather than screws to keep my tires from slipping at low pressure. I think I will stick with the screws.

Larry

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 Iâ€™m try to replace my tires on my Xtra but so far I am unable to remove them from the Matco split rims.  It seems that the beed sealer is being uncooperative (Iâ€™m thinking itâ€™s really epoxy or perhaps someone has found a new method to vulcanize rubber to metal). I havenâ€™t found any tire shop that will work on that size of wheel.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:29 am Post subject: Re: Tire Replacement

A regular tire bead breaker should work.  You just need to concentrate the force in one spot using a 2 x 3.  Apply and hold force then heat area with a heat gun or hair dryer to soften the glue.  Once you get it started, the bead should tear loose easily.



I use something like this, together with plywood to protect the wheel on the backside: 

http://www.harborfreight.com/bead-breaker-92961.html



As John H. cautioned, be darned careful not to distort the wheel.



If you still have a problem, rig up something to apply concentrated force that you can let sit overnight.  Puddle some solvent around the tire bead to help soften the glue.

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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 10:25 am Post subject: Tire Replacement

My solution:



http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly107.html



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Winchester, IN

At 09:19 AM 2/18/2016, you wrote:

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I break tires loose by laying a board on the 

tire next to the rim and running a wheel of an auto on the board.. Herb



On 02/18/2016 07:08 AM, william sullivan wrote:

>

>sullivan <williamtsullivan(at)att.net>

>

>    Try a fork lift dealer.  They work on small 

> diameter stuff.  Maybe somebody used a 

> petroleum based product to put them 

> on.  Raises hell trying to get them off.  Petroleum will dissolve rubber.

>--------------------------------------------

>On Thu, 2/18/16, Bradley Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net> wrote:

>

>   Subject: Tire Replacement

>   To: "Kolb-list" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>

>   Date: Thursday, February 18, 2016, 12:01 AM

>

>   

>   Bradley Nation <nationcap(at)comcast.net>

>

>   Iâ€™m try to replace my tires on my Xtra but so far I am

>   unable to remove them from the Matco split rims.  It

>   seems that the beed sealer is being uncooperative (Iâ€™m

>   thinking itâ€™s really epoxy or perhaps someone has found a

>   new method to vulcanize rubber to metal). I havenâ€™t found

>   any tire shop that will work on that size of wheel.

>   Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>

>   Thanks in advance,

>

>   Brad Nation

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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:21 pm Post subject: Tire Replacement

Thanks for all the suggestions and help.  I finally got the tires off with the help of a Harbor Freight mini tire changer.  It took a bit but worked like a charm.One question though, there was a busted O-Ring inside one of the tires between the wheel halfs but not the other and I couldnâ€™t tell where it went.  Any comments or suggestions?



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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:28 pm Post subject: Tire Replacement

I run tubes in my MKIII.Â  Don't need the o rings in MATCOs with tubes.

 

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Thanks for all the suggestions and help.  I finally got the tires off with the help of a Harbor Freight mini tire changer.  It took a bit but worked like a charm.

One question though, there was a busted O-Ring inside one of the tires between the wheel halfs but not the other and I couldnâ€™t tell where it went.  Any comments or suggestions?



 



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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:30 pm Post subject: Tire Replacement

Think the o ring makes it tubeless



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		  Thanks for all the suggestions and help.  I finally got the tires off with the help of a Harbor Freight mini tire changer.  It took a bit but worked like a charm.One question though, there was a busted O-Ring inside one of the tires between the wheel halfs but not the other and I couldnâ€™t tell where it went.  Any comments or suggestions?



Brad

yellowbird1

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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:38 pm Post subject: Tire Replacement

Iâ€™m using tubs as well.  So perhaps the O-ring was left over from the previous owner.

Brad Nation

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Albuquerque, NM

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