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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:11 pm Post subject: Hydraulic brakes?

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		  I am considering changing to a Hydraulic system for my Firestar ll. I have looked at O'brian and Black Max so far. The only problem is that I want two hand operation. ( individual braking) It appears that will run about $500 bucks or more. Somehow I hate to do that, but still might depending on the feed back I can get from those using hydraulic braking. BCC is fine - lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)  I only want to do this once, and I hate buyer remorse. 	




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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 3:33 pm Post subject: Hydraulic brakes?

Larry,

 

I have the Black Max setup on my Firefly. Individual toe brakes though, not a hand brake. This included the wheels and tires and was purchased as an option when I bought the kit.

 

Some people say you don’t need brakes at all and especially not individual brakes on the Firefly.  As a general rule I don’t use them much. However, it is nice to be able to keep the engine RPM up and still taxi at a reasonable speed on pavement or not move at all.

 

Occasionally I use them to help on a turn, although without a swiveling tail wheel like you have the effect is not as noticeable. I am not sure how you would rig the dual hand levers for individual brakes. One lever on the stick and one on the throttle? J

 

Anyway, I have no regrets getting the Black Max setup. Easy to install and simple in design.

 

Stuart

 

From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell

Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 2:11 PM

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Subject: Hydraulic brakes?

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I am considering changing to a Hydraulic system for my Firestar ll. I have looked at O'brian and Black Max so far. The only problem is that I want two hand operation. ( individual braking) It appears that will run about $500 bucks or more. Somehow I hate to do that, but still might depending on the feed back I can get from those using hydraulic braking. BCC is fine - lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)  I only want to do this once, and I hate buyer remorse. 	


 



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lcottrell

Joined: 29 May 2006
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Location: Jordan Valley, Or

Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 4:11 pm Post subject: Hydraulic brakes?

Thanks for the reply. After checking I may have to forego the dual hand brakes and stick with heel brakes. It would run about $550 for two separate systems. I am using mechanical heel brakes now, and may have to stick with that.



If you have not already braced the tail post on you fly, you should really consider it.

Thanks again,

Larry

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Stuart Harner <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net (stuart(at)harnerfarm.net)> wrote:

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Larry,

 

I have the Black Max setup on my Firefly. Individual toe brakes though, not a hand brake. This included the wheels and tires and was purchased as an option when I bought the kit.

 

Some people say you don’t need brakes at all and especially not individual brakes on the Firefly.  As a general rule I don’t use them much. However, it is nice to be able to keep the engine RPM up and still taxi at a reasonable speed on pavement or not move at all.

 

Occasionally I use them to help on a turn, although without a swiveling tail wheel like you have the effect is not as noticeable. I am not sure how you would rig the dual hand levers for individual brakes. One lever on the stick and one on the throttle? J

 

Anyway, I have no regrets getting the Black Max setup. Easy to install and simple in design.

 

Stuart

 

From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell

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Subject: Hydraulic brakes?

  	  Quote: 	
		  

I am considering changing to a Hydraulic system for my Firestar ll. I have looked at O'brian and Black Max so far. The only problem is that I want two hand operation. ( individual braking) It appears that will run about $500 bucks or more. Somehow I hate to do that, but still might depending on the feed back I can get from those using hydraulic braking. BCC is fine - lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)  I only want to do this once, and I hate buyer remorse. 	


 



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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 5:32 pm Post subject: Hydraulic brakes?

you can save most of that 550 dollars by using Mtn bike disc     brakes...either hydraulic or mechanical...Gotta be a bit     mechanically inclined...will need to make a couple of spools that     attach the disc to the rim...and a couple of adapter plates that     attach the caliper to the large washer that is welded to the     axle...  I found my mechanical versions at the salvage yard...for     maybe 5 bucks....   Requires some design work...but was a good two     day project...

     

       Ebay has both styles...Herb 

     

     On 02/28/2016 06:11 PM, Larry Cottrell       wrote:

     

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		         Thanks for the reply. After checking I may have to         forego the dual hand brakes and stick with heel brakes. It would         run about $550 for two separate systems. I am using mechanical         heel brakes now, and may have to stick with that.         

         

         If you have not already braced the tail post on you fly,           you should really consider it.

         

         

         Thanks again,

         Larry

       

       

         On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Stuart           Harner <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net (stuart(at)harnerfarm.net)>           wrote:

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Larry,                 

                  

I                     have the Black Max setup on my Firefly. Individual                     toe brakes though, not a hand brake. This included                     the wheels and tires and was purchased as an option                     when I bought the kit.                 

                  

Some                     people say you don’t need brakes at all and                     especially not individual brakes on the Firefly.  As                     a general rule I don’t use them much. However, it is                     nice to be able to keep the engine RPM up and still                     taxi at a reasonable speed on pavement or not move                     at all.                 

                  

Occasionally                     I use them to help on a turn, although without a                     swiveling tail wheel like you have the effect is not                     as noticeable. I am not sure how you would rig the                     dual hand levers for individual brakes. One lever on                     the stick and one on the throttle? J                 

                  

Anyway,                     I have no regrets getting the Black Max setup. Easy                     to install and simple in design.                 

                  

Stuart                 

                  

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                     Subject: Hydraulic brakes?                 

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I am considering changing to a                       Hydraulic system for my Firestar ll. I have looked                       at O'brian and Black Max so far. The only problem                       is that I want two hand operation. ( individual                       braking) It appears that will run about $500 bucks                       or more. Somehow I hate to do that, but still                       might depending on the feed back I can get from                       those using hydraulic braking. BCC is fine - [url=mailto:lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com]lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)[/url]  I                       only want to do this once, and I hate buyer                       remorse.                   	
                                        

                    

                                        

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west1m

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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: Hydraulic brakes?

I put the Black Max hydraulic brakes on my firefly. I use a dual hand control by the throttle. Quite handy, no regrets.

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lcottrell

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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:06 pm Post subject: Hydraulic brakes?

Do you remember the cost for dual controls?Larry

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 I put the Black Max hydraulic brakes on my firefly. I use a dual hand control by the throttle. Quite handy, no regrets.

 

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Posted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 8:34 pm Post subject: Hydraulic brakes?

Yeah, that is on my “to do” list for this spring before flying season.  I haven’t settled on exactly how to do it yet. Also need to cut out all the inspection holes and have a real good look-see inside. About 15 hours in the air, I figure it is about time for a new bird. Many other “little details” to attend too as well. Weather is getting better every day…

 

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Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 6:11 PM

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Hydraulic brakes?

 

Thanks for the reply. After checking I may have to forego the dual hand brakes and stick with heel brakes. It would run about $550 for two separate systems. I am using mechanical heel brakes now, and may have to stick with that.

 



If you have not already braced the tail post on you fly, you should really consider it.



 



Thanks again,



Larry

 

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Stuart Harner <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net (stuart(at)harnerfarm.net)> wrote:

Larry,

 

I have the Black Max setup on my Firefly. Individual toe brakes though, not a hand brake. This included the wheels and tires and was purchased as an option when I bought the kit.

 

Some people say you don’t need brakes at all and especially not individual brakes on the Firefly.  As a general rule I don’t use them much. However, it is nice to be able to keep the engine RPM up and still taxi at a reasonable speed on pavement or not move at all.

 

Occasionally I use them to help on a turn, although without a swiveling tail wheel like you have the effect is not as noticeable. I am not sure how you would rig the dual hand levers for individual brakes. One lever on the stick and one on the throttle? J

 

Anyway, I have no regrets getting the Black Max setup. Easy to install and simple in design.

 

Stuart

 

From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Larry Cottrell

Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 2:11 PM

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Subject: Hydraulic brakes?

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I am considering changing to a Hydraulic system for my Firestar ll. I have looked at O'brian and Black Max so far. The only problem is that I want two hand operation. ( individual braking) It appears that will run about $500 bucks or more. Somehow I hate to do that, but still might depending on the feed back I can get from those using hydraulic braking. BCC is fine - lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)  I only want to do this once, and I hate buyer remorse. 	


 



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Posted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:49 am Post subject: Re: Hydraulic brakes?

I don't recall the cost, they came from Black Max. 

Expensive but I wanted brakes flying off the blacktop all the time.

 	  lcottrell wrote: 	
		  Do you remember the cost for dual controls?Larry

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 8:59 PM, west1m <west1m> wrote:

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 I put the Black Max hydraulic brakes on my firefly. I use a dual hand control by the throttle. Quite handy, no regrets.

 

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Posted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:17 am Post subject: Re: Hydraulic brakes?

Larry



Try these for dual hydraulic hand brake actuators.  I did something similar on my old Firestar with the levers just in front of the seat between my legs.  I used Mt Bike brakes but this would work.  This is similar to what we had on a drifter in my hangar at one time and it worked excellent.  And lots less than 500. Maybe buy the throttle like the one picture as part of this subject.  Shop around for the best price on 5" or 7" levers. Hagar is the brand. Good Luck and I'll get out that way sometime.



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Posted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:46 am Post subject: Hydraulic brakes?

If your feet could bounce off the pedals in a rough field, then make a little loop out of nylon webbing (from a broken ratchet strap or something) and tie it to the pedal. Put your foot into this loop and use it like a stirrup. Adjust the size and location of the loop so that it only goes around your toes, so it cannot trip you getting out of the cockpit. Tie it to the pedal system in a location that allows you to move your foot to activate the brakes.



Problem solved, cost zero.

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 I don't recall the cost, they came from Black Max. 

 Expensive but I wanted brakes flying off the blacktop all

 the time.

 

 

 

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Posted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:56 pm Post subject: Hydraulic brakes?

If it's that rough your tires aren't on the ground either. 



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 If your feet could bounce off the pedals in a rough field, then make a little loop out of nylon webbing (from a broken ratchet strap or something) and tie it to the pedal. Put your foot into this loop and use it like a stirrup. Adjust the size and location of the loop so that it only goes around your toes, so it cannot trip you getting out of the cockpit. Tie it to the pedal system in a location that allows you to move your foot to activate the brakes.

 

 Problem solved, cost zero.

 

 

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 www.grantstar.net           - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities

 

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 Date: Monday, February 29, 2016, 6:49 AM

 

 

 "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com>

 

 I don't recall the cost, they came from Black Max. 

 Expensive but I wanted brakes flying off the blacktop all

 the time.

 

 

 

 lcottrell wrote:

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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 11:43 am Post subject: Hydraulic brakes?

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		    I used 2 brake handles on the control stick and I can activate either

side or both at the same time with just my fingers.
	




Thanks for your post and idea! I have been wondering if I should use

separate levers on my conversion. I have mtn bike disc brakes mounted, but

the caliper mounts are not done. 



I was thinking about putting one brake lever  on the left of the seat and

one on the stick. But as I read your post I visualized both on the stick,

maybe reversed so the handle ends are adjacent to each other. Dunno, maybe

it would work. How are yours mounted?

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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:15 pm Post subject: Hydraulic brakes?

I can't imagine having to worry about my feet bouncing off the rudder pedals or brakes. I like heal brake pedals because they don't stress the rudder cables and you aren't near as likely to inadvertently apply the brakes. Hand brakes????

I have Matco brakes I like the design but mine are a bit low on braking power. Kolb's old demonstrator, Fat Albert had Matco brakes and it had four times the braking power. I had to be very careful using them because I'm so used to standing on mine.

Rick Neilsen

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 If your feet could bounce off the pedals in a rough field, then make a little loop out of nylon webbing (from a broken ratchet strap or something) and tie it to the pedal. Put your foot into this loop and use it like a stirrup. Adjust the size and location of the loop so that it only goes around your toes, so it cannot trip you getting out of the cockpit. Tie it to the pedal system in a location that allows you to move your foot to activate the brakes.

 

 Problem solved, cost zero.

 

 

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 www.ezflaphandle.com  - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft

 www.grantstar.net           - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities

 

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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:52 pm Post subject: Hydraulic brakes?

Rick

 do you know why fat Albert's brakes were so much better?    did it have the 2 puck calipers.  or a better mechanical advantage?

 Boyd On Mar 1, 2016 1:24 PM, "Rick Neilsen" <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com (neilsenrm(at)gmail.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		  I can't imagine having to worry about my feet bouncing off the rudder pedals or brakes. I like heal brake pedals because they don't stress the rudder cables and you aren't near as likely to inadvertently apply the brakes. Hand brakes????

I have Matco brakes I like the design but mine are a bit low on braking power. Kolb's old demonstrator, Fat Albert had Matco brakes and it had four times the braking power. I had to be very careful using them because I'm so used to standing on mine.

Rick Neilsen

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On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net (victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:

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 If your feet could bounce off the pedals in a rough field, then make a little loop out of nylon webbing (from a broken ratchet strap or something) and tie it to the pedal. Put your foot into this loop and use it like a stirrup. Adjust the size and location of the loop so that it only goes around your toes, so it cannot trip you getting out of the cockpit. Tie it to the pedal system in a location that allows you to move your foot to activate the brakes.

 

 Problem solved, cost zero.

 

 

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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:00 pm Post subject: Hydraulic brakes?

Using my mech brakes I came up with this and it worked very well. I found it much easier to control my plane with these and using the rudders. They at least were always positive, where as I find it difficult sometimes to get my feet where I want them and use the rudders as well. Perhaps I am just clumsy!



I had to do a bit of welding, but it worked just fine.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 4:33 AM, George Bearden <gab16(at)sbcglobal.net (gab16(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:

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 >  I used 2 brake handles on the control stick and I can activate either

 side or both at the same time with just my fingers.

 

 Thanks for your post and idea! I have been wondering if I should use

 separate levers on my conversion. I have mtn bike disc brakes mounted, but

 the caliper mounts are not done.

 

 I was thinking about putting one brake lever  on the left of the seat and

 one on the stick. But as I read your post I visualized both on the stick,

 maybe reversed so the handle ends are adjacent to each other. Dunno, maybe

 it would work. How are yours mounted?

 

 

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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Hydraulic brakes?

Looks like their are all sorts of ways to skin this cat. Here is how we did it in the FSII: instead of pulling back you push down. (Did it this way because it was easier to weld in the brackets and make everything fit. Bleeding the air out is a pain tho...)

http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/Panel.htm

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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 5:07 am Post subject: Hydraulic brakes?

“feet bouncing  off the rudder pedals or brakes. I like heal brake pedals..”

  

 I remember the CFI at my Gliding Club  pulling the horn off the rudder of a glider which had heel operated rudder  pedals through a rough landing run. The forces involved in a rough run are  considerable. I flew with a plaster cast on and punched a hole in the cockpit  floor through banging up and down on a rough take off run.

  

 Pat 

    

  From: Rick Neilsen (neilsenrm(at)gmail.com) 

 Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 5:10 PM

 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com) 

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   I can't imagine having to  worry about my feet bouncing off the rudder pedals or brakes. I like heal brake  pedals because they don't stress the rudder cables and you aren't near as likely  to inadvertently apply the brakes. Hand brakes????

  

 I have Matco brakes I like the  design but mine are a bit low on braking power. Kolb's old demonstrator, Fat  Albert had Matco brakes and it had four times the braking power. I had to be  very careful using them because I'm so used to standing on mine.

  

 Rick Neilsen

 Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC  

   

 On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net (victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:

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If your feet could    bounce off the pedals in a rough field, then make a little loop out of nylon    webbing (from a broken ratchet strap or something) and tie it to the pedal.    Put your foot into this loop and use it like a stirrup. Adjust the size and    location of the loop so that it only goes around your toes, so it cannot trip    you getting out of the cockpit. Tie it to the pedal system in a location that    allows you to move your foot to activate the brakes.



Problem solved,    cost zero.

Bill Berle

www.ezflaphandle.com  - safety &    performance upgrade for light aircraft

www.grantstar.net              - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit    entities



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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:57 am Post subject: Hydraulic brakes?

Pat

We are talking about Kolb airplanes. Also not recommended that one is on the brake peddles until after landing.

Rick Neilsen

Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com (patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

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		      “feet bouncing  off the rudder pedals or brakes. I like heal brake pedals..”

  

 I remember the CFI at my Gliding Club  pulling the horn off the rudder of a glider which had heel operated rudder  pedals through a rough landing run. The forces involved in a rough run are  considerable. I flew with a plaster cast on and punched a hole in the cockpit  floor through banging up and down on a rough take off run.

  

 Pat 

    

  From: Rick Neilsen (neilsenrm(at)gmail.com) 

 Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 5:10 PM

 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Re: Re: Hydraulic brakes?

  



   I can't imagine having to  worry about my feet bouncing off the rudder pedals or brakes. I like heal brake  pedals because they don't stress the rudder cables and you aren't near as likely  to inadvertently apply the brakes. Hand brakes????

  

 I have Matco brakes I like the  design but mine are a bit low on braking power. Kolb's old demonstrator, Fat  Albert had Matco brakes and it had four times the braking power. I had to be  very careful using them because I'm so used to standing on mine.

  

 Rick Neilsen

 Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC  

   

 On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net (victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:

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If your feet could    bounce off the pedals in a rough field, then make a little loop out of nylon    webbing (from a broken ratchet strap or something) and tie it to the pedal.    Put your foot into this loop and use it like a stirrup. Adjust the size and    location of the loop so that it only goes around your toes, so it cannot trip    you getting out of the cockpit. Tie it to the pedal system in a location that    allows you to move your foot to activate the brakes.



Problem solved,    cost zero.

Bill Berle

www.ezflaphandle.com  - safety &    performance upgrade for light aircraft

www.grantstar.net              - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit    entities



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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 8:15 am Post subject: Hydraulic brakes?

Boyd

I have asked myself that question many times. No I don't think it had the it had the 2 puck calipers or more mechanical advantage. I think the brake disk is a different material, mine don't rust (likely stainless) or the brake pads are less abrasive.???????

Rick Neilsen

Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 3:49 PM, B Young <byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com (byoungplumbing(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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Rick

 do you know why fat Albert's brakes were so much better?    did it have the 2 puck calipers.  or a better mechanical advantage?

 Boyd On Mar 1, 2016 1:24 PM, "Rick Neilsen" <neilsenrm(at)gmail.com (neilsenrm(at)gmail.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		  I can't imagine having to worry about my feet bouncing off the rudder pedals or brakes. I like heal brake pedals because they don't stress the rudder cables and you aren't near as likely to inadvertently apply the brakes. Hand brakes????

I have Matco brakes I like the design but mine are a bit low on braking power. Kolb's old demonstrator, Fat Albert had Matco brakes and it had four times the braking power. I had to be very careful using them because I'm so used to standing on mine.

Rick Neilsen

Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC 



On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net (victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:

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 If your feet could bounce off the pedals in a rough field, then make a little loop out of nylon webbing (from a broken ratchet strap or something) and tie it to the pedal. Put your foot into this loop and use it like a stirrup. Adjust the size and location of the loop so that it only goes around your toes, so it cannot trip you getting out of the cockpit. Tie it to the pedal system in a location that allows you to move your foot to activate the brakes.

 

 Problem solved, cost zero.

 

 

 Bill Berle

 www.ezflaphandle.com  - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft

 www.grantstar.net           - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities

 

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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 7:50 am Post subject: Re: Hydraulic brakes?

Here is my MT bike brake handles for my Firestar I that I installed before selling. Pull one or the other, or the cable loop for both. worked good for me.

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