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I would like to extend my fs2 Inst. panel I have seen a few have done it and was hoping to get a little guidance and or pictures of the process. I was thinking to hinge it for better access.
How far to extend
What materials how to fabricate it
How to hinge and how to secure to existing panel?
I found these pics on barnstormers and really like the layout.
Thanks for any help
Mike
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Do a Google search of the N number. It will produce the first, second, and
third owners of this FS.
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Mcabbage
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Thank you John. I did contact seller from the ad but I think he was busy . Maybe new owner could help some.
Another question, when replacing ruder and elevater cables wher is the best source for materials?
Thanks
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I recommend Kolb Aircraft Company.
Phone (606) 862-9692
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For control cable, first get the proper mil spec cable, second read the
section on cable in AC 43-13 1B. I know there will be a lot of carping
about recommending covered cable but you owe it to yourself to read what
FAA certified mechanics read when they don't have a manufacturer's spec to
go by. Covered cable, one properly swaged Nico sleeve is the recommendation
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| Mcabbage wrote: | I would like to extend my fs2 Inst. panel
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Being one who must remain conscious of leg room, I would be careful how deep you make your extension and/or the top to bottom measurement. Too much in either of these dimensions will cut down that leg room. Looking at the inside shot of the pictures you posted, there's not much room between the pilot's shins and the bottom edge of the extension.
As Beauford would say.... "Worth what you paid fer it.."
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 Looking at the inside shot of the pictures you posted, there's not much room between the pilot's shins and the bottom edge of the extension.
I am not sure how big you are, but let me tell you how I get into my plane. I am 6 feet- 235 lbs. I sit backwards on my seat, lift my left leg over the stick, and down onto the rudder pedals. I of course reverse this process to get out of the plane. My plane has longer gear legs, so I had to change the method of entering the cockpit. With the smaller gear legs, One can lift up the wind screen- stick the left leg in, then put your butt on the seat. Much like what you do to get into a sports car. These are only ways to get in that I have found. Smaller younger pilots will be able to do things that I probably cannot.Â
The only thing on my cockpit that I need to do anything with is adjust the altimeter. I do that on the ground. The rest of the controls that I need- tank selection- fuel pump, strobe, ignition switch are all located in various spots that are within reach.
Primarily what I am saying is that you can position every thing that you need in spots that allow you to reach them while seated and flying. It just takes some thinking on your part. However you are the one that will be flying it, your choice, but give it some serious thought. I have a small center console in front of the stick that holds my radio, all my switches- plug ins for the intercom. HAC man system on the left side by the throttle, fuel selector switches on the gusset to the left of my seat. Take a poll and see how many have moved their console out.
Larry
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> Mike
Being one who must remain conscious of leg room, I would be careful how deep you make your extension and/or the top to bottom measurement. Too much in either of these dimensions will cut down that leg room. Looking at the inside shot of the pictures you posted, there's not much room between the pilot's shins and the bottom edge of the extension.
As Beauford would say.... "Worth what you paid fer it.."
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:57 am Post subject: Re: Extending instrument panel |
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Thanks guys yes proper planning! I am 6 feet 190 lbs size 12 sneakers! So I agree not much room down there for sure!
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Thanks guys yes proper planning! I am 6 feet 190 lbs size 12 sneakers! So I agree not much room down there for sure!
Mike
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<<The only thing on my cockpit that I need to do anything with is adjust the altimeter. I do that on the ground>>
Thats interesting Larry. Do you not set your altimeter to read zero when you land at an away field? Normally we set QFE Baro pressure at your home field if just messing about locally. When approaching another field the local pressure will be passed to you along with wind speed and direction, circuit direction, circuit height etc. So if you are supposed to join the circuit at 1000 ft then that is the height which your altimeter shows.
Pat
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Looking at the inside shot of the pictures you posted, there's not much room between the pilot's shins and the bottom edge of the extension.
I am not sure how big you are, but let me tell you how I get into my plane. I am 6 feet- 235 lbs. I sit backwards on my seat, lift my left leg over the stick, and down onto the rudder pedals. I of course reverse this process to get out of the plane. My plane has longer gear legs, so I had to change the method of entering the cockpit. With the smaller gear legs, One can lift up the wind screen- stick the left leg in, then put your butt on the seat. Much like what you do to get into a sports car. These are only ways to get in that I have found. Smaller younger pilots will be able to do things that I probably cannot.
The only thing on my cockpit that I need to do anything with is adjust the altimeter. I do that on the ground. The rest of the controls that I need- tank selection- fuel pump, strobe, ignition switch are all located in various spots that are within reach.
Primarily what I am saying is that you can position every thing that you need in spots that allow you to reach them while seated and flying. It just takes some thinking on your part. However you are the one that will be flying it, your choice, but give it some serious thought. I have a small center console in front of the stick that holds my radio, all my switches- plug ins for the intercom. HAC man system on the left side by the throttle, fuel selector switches on the gusset to the left of my seat. Take a poll and see how many have moved their console out.
Larry
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Being one who must remain conscious of leg room, I would be careful how deep you make your extension and/or the top to bottom measurement. Too much in either of these dimensions will cut down that leg room. Looking at the inside shot of the pictures you posted, there's not much room between the pilot's shins and the bottom edge of the extension.
As Beauford would say.... "Worth what you paid fer it.."
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This is how I did it. The panel is attached to a rubber hose at the bottom. The top rests against the nose cone. This allows the nose cone off by itself. Not attached to the panel at all. Yes you lose a little shin room. Just be sure to account for that. I rounded off the panel at the bottom so I didn't cut my legs off in a crash.
Two things I would do differently next time around. The compass needs to be vertical. The panel should be painted black.
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| lcottrell wrote: | Â Looking at the inside shot of the pictures you posted, there's not much room between the pilot's shins and the bottom edge of the extension.
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The only thing on my cockpit that I need to do anything with is adjust the altimeter. I do that on the ground. The rest of the controls that I need- tank selection- fuel pump, strobe, ignition switch are all located in various spots that are within reach.
Primarily what I am saying is that you can position every thing that you need in spots that allow you to reach them while seated and flying. It just takes some thinking on your part. However you are the one that will be flying it, your choice, but give it some serious thought. I have a small center console in front of the stick that holds my radio, all my switches- plug ins for the intercom. HAC man system on the left side by the throttle, fuel selector switches on the gusset to the left of my seat. Take a poll and see how many have moved their console out.
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I agree with what Larry says here. (Even if Scott Olendorf's panel setup is extremely cool)
It is really easy to make the panel on the FSII slide out a bit; notice that the wood has holes drilled in it and the windscreen tubes fit through it. You remove one screw on either side and the panel will slide up the tubes about 8 inches, plenty of room to get access to the back side.
Radio Shack is out of business, but the little black box with all the switches on it has lots of room for all your wiring needs. Probably other electronics shops sell similar boxes.
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One more thought: if you do extend the panel back toward your shins, make sure it is not rigidly attached to anything.
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Many of us live in remote locations that never talk to control towers. I think it has been ten years since talking to any tower. Even flying into the the LSA strip at Oshkosh and Sun N Fun, just flew in. I set my altimeter at the base elevation of the airport I take off from while on the ground.Â
I have a stick that I use to adjust my altimeter and switches on the panel while belted in. I have a holder that keeps the stick safely stored when not in use. George A got a chuckle and took pictures of it a few years back.
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Thats interesting Larry. Do you not set your altimeter to read zero when you land at an away field? Normally we set QFE Baro pressure at your home field if just messing about locally. When approaching another field the local pressure will be passed to you along with wind speed and direction, circuit direction, circuit height etc. So if you are supposed to join the circuit at 1000 ft then that is the height which your altimeter shows.
Pat
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Subject: Re: Re: Extending instrument panel
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Looking at the inside shot of the pictures you posted, there's not much room between the pilot's shins and the bottom edge of the extension.
I am not sure how big you are, but let me tell you how I get into my plane. I am 6 feet- 235 lbs. I sit backwards on my seat, lift my left leg over the stick, and down onto the rudder pedals. I of course reverse this process to get out of the plane. My plane has longer gear legs, so I had to change the method of entering the cockpit. With the smaller gear legs, One can lift up the wind screen- stick the left leg in, then put your butt on the seat. Much like what you do to get into a sports car. These are only ways to get in that I have found. Smaller younger pilots will be able to do things that I probably cannot.
The only thing on my cockpit that I need to do anything with is adjust the altimeter. I do that on the ground. The rest of the controls that I need- tank selection- fuel pump, strobe, ignition switch are all located in various spots that are within reach.
Primarily what I am saying is that you can position every thing that you need in spots that allow you to reach them while seated and flying. It just takes some thinking on your part. However you are the one that will be flying it, your choice, but give it some serious thought. I have a small center console in front of the stick that holds my radio, all my switches- plug ins for the intercom. HAC man system on the left side by the throttle, fuel selector switches on the gusset to the left of my seat. Take a poll and see how many have moved their console out.
Larry
Larry
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Thank you Olendorf, George, Larry, John and Rick
Richard- Ouch! that looks like it hurt! a lot.... it hurts just to see.
Larry, how did you extend the gear legs?
Many thanks
Mike
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"Larry, how did you extend the gear legs?"
I got a pair of 4130 gear legs built by a friend that were 36 inches long. That gives me 24 inches sticking out rather than the stock alum legs. I also run 800X6 tires.
Larry
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Thank you Olendorf, George, Larry, John and Rick
Richard- Ouch! that looks like it hurt! a lot....  it hurts just to see.
Larry, how did you extend the gear legs?
Many thanks
Mike
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The extra long 36 inch gear.... do you notice a shorter takeoff roll because of the higher ground angle of the wing??? Enquiring minds want to know ! I want to build up my Firestar 2 as a STOL airplane 
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On Mon, 3/7/16, Mcabbage <Mc(at)americanbuilding.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Extending instrument panel
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Date: Monday, March 7, 2016, 4:23 PM
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:17 pm Post subject: Extending instrument panel |
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--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net (victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net)>The extra long 36 inch gear... do you notice a shorter takeoff roll because of the higher ground angle of the wing??? Enquiring minds want to know ! I want to build up my Firestar 2 as a STOL airplane
I am afraid that I cannot say for sure. You would have to ask others for that answer. I only know that it looks better, feels better, and I like it.
Larry
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net (victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
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The extra long 36 inch gear.... do you notice a shorter takeoff roll because of the higher ground angle of the wing??? Enquiring minds want to know ! I want to build up my Firestar 2 as a STOL airplane
Bill Berle
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 1:37 am Post subject: Extending instrument panel |
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I have a stick that I use to adjust my altimeter >>
That beats the band. Well worth a chuckle.
I must admit that having learned to fly in gliders where you are more than likely to land out in a field with no known height I never bothered too much. More `that elm tree is about 50 feet high, turn final a bit above it`. We also have a `transition height` when going higher for serious xcountry flights. This ensures that everyone is on the same baro. pressure to enable them to maintain the quadrantal rule accurately. Never used it myself.
Pat
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Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 4:26 PM
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Subject: Re: Re: Extending instrument panel
Pat
Many of us live in remote locations that never talk to control towers. I think it has been ten years since talking to any tower. Even flying into the the LSA strip at Oshkosh and Sun N Fun, just flew in. I set my altimeter at the base elevation of the airport I take off from while on the ground.
I have a stick that I use to adjust my altimeter and switches on the panel while belted in. I have a holder that keeps the stick safely stored when not in use. George A got a chuckle and took pictures of it a few years back.
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On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 6:44 AM, Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com (patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | <<The only thing on my cockpit that I need to do anything with is adjust the altimeter. I do that on the ground>>
Thats interesting Larry. Do you not set your altimeter to read zero when you land at an away field? Normally we set QFE Baro pressure at your home field if just messing about locally. When approaching another field the local pressure will be passed to you along with wind speed and direction, circuit direction, circuit height etc. So if you are supposed to join the circuit at 1000 ft then that is the height which your altimeter shows.
Pat
From: Larry Cottrell (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)
Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 5:55 AM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Extending instrument panel
Looking at the inside shot of the pictures you posted, there's not much room between the pilot's shins and the bottom edge of the extension.
I am not sure how big you are, but let me tell you how I get into my plane. I am 6 feet- 235 lbs. I sit backwards on my seat, lift my left leg over the stick, and down onto the rudder pedals. I of course reverse this process to get out of the plane. My plane has longer gear legs, so I had to change the method of entering the cockpit. With the smaller gear legs, One can lift up the wind screen- stick the left leg in, then put your butt on the seat. Much like what you do to get into a sports car. These are only ways to get in that I have found. Smaller younger pilots will be able to do things that I probably cannot.
The only thing on my cockpit that I need to do anything with is adjust the altimeter. I do that on the ground. The rest of the controls that I need- tank selection- fuel pump, strobe, ignition switch are all located in various spots that are within reach.
Primarily what I am saying is that you can position every thing that you need in spots that allow you to reach them while seated and flying. It just takes some thinking on your part. However you are the one that will be flying it, your choice, but give it some serious thought. I have a small center console in front of the stick that holds my radio, all my switches- plug ins for the intercom. HAC man system on the left side by the throttle, fuel selector switches on the gusset to the left of my seat. Take a poll and see how many have moved their console out.
Larry
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