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 Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:33 am Post subject: Extending instrument panel |
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I am in the process of rebuilding a dash for my Mark III that extends 12 inches back to the pilot. I am 6'2" and can reach the mag switch and altimeter while still belted in.
Kurt
Mark III
Utah
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Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 2:37 AM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Extending instrument panel
I have a stick that I use to adjust my altimeter >>
That beats the band. Well worth a chuckle.
I must admit that having learned to fly in gliders where you are more than likely to land out in a field with no known height I never bothered too much. More `that elm tree is about 50 feet high, turn final a bit above it`. We also have a `transition height` when going higher for serious xcountry flights. This ensures that everyone is on the same baro. pressure to enable them to maintain the quadrantal rule accurately. Never used it myself.
Pat
From: Rick Neilsen (neilsenrm(at)gmail.com)
Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 4:26 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Extending instrument panel
Pat
Many of us live in remote locations that never talk to control towers. I think it has been ten years since talking to any tower. Even flying into the the LSA strip at Oshkosh and Sun N Fun, just flew in. I set my altimeter at the base elevation of the airport I take off from while on the ground.
I have a stick that I use to adjust my altimeter and switches on the panel while belted in. I have a holder that keeps the stick safely stored when not in use. George A got a chuckle and took pictures of it a few years back.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 6:44 AM, Patrick Ladd <patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com (patrickjladd(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | <<The only thing on my cockpit that I need to do anything with is adjust the altimeter. I do that on the ground>>
Thats interesting Larry. Do you not set your altimeter to read zero when you land at an away field? Normally we set QFE Baro pressure at your home field if just messing about locally. When approaching another field the local pressure will be passed to you along with wind speed and direction, circuit direction, circuit height etc. So if you are supposed to join the circuit at 1000 ft then that is the height which your altimeter shows.
Pat
From: Larry Cottrell (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)
Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 5:55 AM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: Extending instrument panel
Looking at the inside shot of the pictures you posted, there's not much room between the pilot's shins and the bottom edge of the extension.
I am not sure how big you are, but let me tell you how I get into my plane. I am 6 feet- 235 lbs. I sit backwards on my seat, lift my left leg over the stick, and down onto the rudder pedals. I of course reverse this process to get out of the plane. My plane has longer gear legs, so I had to change the method of entering the cockpit. With the smaller gear legs, One can lift up the wind screen- stick the left leg in, then put your butt on the seat. Much like what you do to get into a sports car. These are only ways to get in that I have found. Smaller younger pilots will be able to do things that I probably cannot.
The only thing on my cockpit that I need to do anything with is adjust the altimeter. I do that on the ground. The rest of the controls that I need- tank selection- fuel pump, strobe, ignition switch are all located in various spots that are within reach.
Primarily what I am saying is that you can position every thing that you need in spots that allow you to reach them while seated and flying. It just takes some thinking on your part. However you are the one that will be flying it, your choice, but give it some serious thought. I have a small center console in front of the stick that holds my radio, all my switches- plug ins for the intercom. HAC man system on the left side by the throttle, fuel selector switches on the gusset to the left of my seat. Take a poll and see how many have moved their console out.
Larry
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Something to consider about your instrument panel;
Autumn of '13 I took off in my FlagFly and at about 800' I had an engine
out. Too low to do a 180 so I looked for a place to put it down. Lots
of soybean fields so I picked the best one and, thinking the soybeans
were maybe 6 - 8" high, went in to land. Found out after I was able to
locate the seat belt buckle (major disorientation when hanging upside
down by the belt!!) drop down and climb out before it caught fire that
the soybeans are about 2 1/2 to 3' high, and the stems are like hemp
ropes. When the landing gear got into the soybeans and stopped, the
nose dug straight down into the ground and bent up as I was forced
forward by the inertia. My shins got acquainted with the bottom of the
instrument panel and I snapped off the bottom of the slip indicator with
my right shin bone. Took a while to heal.
If you look at the pic of the front end and wonder how my face did with
the tube that supports the windscreen, not too bad, Third deep cut at
the same place on the bridge of my nose in my lifetime, so the new scar
is hardly noticeable. I miss the FlagFly bad but I'm not in a position
to replace it just now, plus I'm a tad sensitive about 2 stroke flying
now. That's just me, your mileage may vary.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
On 3/7/2016 10:00 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
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lcottrell wrote:
> Â Looking at the inside shot of the pictures you posted, there's not much room between the pilot's shins and the bottom edge of the extension.
>
> The only thing on my cockpit that I need to do anything with is adjust the altimeter. I do that on the ground. The rest of the controls that I need- tank selection- fuel pump, strobe, ignition switch are all located in various spots that are within reach.
>
> Primarily what I am saying is that you can position every thing that you need in spots that allow you to reach them while seated and flying. It just takes some thinking on your part. However you are the one that will be flying it, your choice, but give it some serious thought. I have a small center console in front of the stick that holds my radio, all my switches- plug ins for the intercom. HAC man system on the left side by the throttle, fuel selector switches on the gusset to the left of my seat. Take a poll and see how many have moved their console out.
> Larry
I agree with what Larry says here. (Even if Scott Olendorf's panel setup is extremely cool)
It is really easy to make the panel on the FSII slide out a bit; notice that the wood has holes drilled in it and the windscreen tubes fit through it. You remove one screw on either side and the panel will slide up the tubes about 8 inches, plenty of room to get access to the back side.
Radio Shack is out of business, but the little black box with all the switches on it has lots of room for all your wiring needs. Probably other electronics shops sell similar boxes.
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Looks very repairable to me. Mine was worse than that, and went right back together. What did you do with it?
Bill Sullivan
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On Tue, 3/8/16, Dave Kulp <undoctor(at)rcn.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Re: Extending instrument panel
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2016, 12:20 PM
Something to consider about your
instrument panel;
Autumn of '13 I took off in my FlagFly and at about 800' I
had an engine
out. Too low to do a 180 so I looked for a place to
put it down. Lots
of soybean fields so I picked the best one and, thinking the
soybeans
were maybe 6 - 8" high, went in to land. Found out
after I was able to
locate the seat belt buckle (major disorientation when
hanging upside
down by the belt!!) drop down and climb out before it caught
fire that
the soybeans are about 2 1/2 to 3' high, and the stems are
like hemp
ropes. When the landing gear got into the soybeans and
stopped, the
nose dug straight down into the ground and bent up as I was
forced
forward by the inertia. My shins got acquainted with
the bottom of the
instrument panel and I snapped off the bottom of the slip
indicator with
my right shin bone. Took a while to heal.
If you look at the pic of the front end and wonder how my
face did with
the tube that supports the windscreen, not too bad,Â
Third deep cut at
the same place on the bridge of my nose in my lifetime, so
the new scar
is hardly noticeable. I miss the FlagFly bad but I'm
not in a position
to replace it just now, plus I'm a tad sensitive about 2
stroke flying
now. That's just me, your mileage may vary.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
On 3/7/2016 10:00 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
<thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
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>
> lcottrell wrote:
>> Â Looking at the inside shot of the pictures you
posted, there's not much room between the pilot's shins and
the bottom edge of the extension.
>>Â Â Â
>> The only thing on my cockpit that I need to do
anything with is adjust the altimeter. I do that on the
ground. The rest of the controls that I need- tank
selection- fuel pump, strobe, ignition switch are all
located in various spots that are within reach.
>>
>> Primarily what I am saying is that you can position
every thing that you need in spots that allow you to reach
them while seated and flying. It just takes some thinking on
your part. However you are the one that will be flying it,
your choice, but give it some serious thought. I have a
small center console in front of the stick that holds my
radio, all my switches- plug ins for the intercom. HAC man
system on the left side by the throttle, fuel selector
switches on the gusset to the left of my seat. Take a poll
and see how many have moved their console out.
>> Larry
>>
>>
>
> I agree with what Larry says here. (Even if Scott
Olendorf's panel setup is extremely cool)
>
> It is really easy to make the panel on the FSII slide
out a bit; notice that the wood has holes drilled in it and
the windscreen tubes fit through it. You remove one screw on
either side and the panel will slide up the tubes about 8
inches, plenty of room to get access to the back side.
> Radio Shack is out of business, but the little black
box with all the switches on it has lots of room for all
your wiring needs. Probably other electronics shops sell
similar boxes.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Would you consider yourself to be a good person?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWcDXT6pH7A
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=453512#453512
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I sold it to a man up on the Cape (Cod) who has a business of restoring
antique cars. He called me about all the dimensions and built a
stainless steel trailer to come down and pick the FlagFly up.
The damage, although I ended up upside down, was solely to the cage, but
I figured it would be foolish to spend the money (I'm not equipped to do
it myself) to have it repaired and still have a 2 stroke engine. Now
that it's gone I probably should have considered replacing the engine
with a 4 stroke because it was built meticulously and I loved that
little thing!!! Like a sports car in the sky.
Dave
On 3/8/2016 12:57 PM, william sullivan wrote:
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Looks very repairable to me. Mine was worse than that, and went right back together. What did you do with it?
Bill Sullivan
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On Tue, 3/8/16, Dave Kulp <undoctor(at)rcn.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Re: Extending instrument panel
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2016, 12:20 PM
Something to consider about your
instrument panel;
Autumn of '13 I took off in my FlagFly and at about 800' I
had an engine
out. Too low to do a 180 so I looked for a place to
put it down. Lots
of soybean fields so I picked the best one and, thinking the
soybeans
were maybe 6 - 8" high, went in to land. Found out
after I was able to
locate the seat belt buckle (major disorientation when
hanging upside
down by the belt!!) drop down and climb out before it caught
fire that
the soybeans are about 2 1/2 to 3' high, and the stems are
like hemp
ropes. When the landing gear got into the soybeans and
stopped, the
nose dug straight down into the ground and bent up as I was
forced
forward by the inertia. My shins got acquainted with
the bottom of the
instrument panel and I snapped off the bottom of the slip
indicator with
my right shin bone. Took a while to heal.
If you look at the pic of the front end and wonder how my
face did with
the tube that supports the windscreen, not too bad,
Third deep cut at
the same place on the bridge of my nose in my lifetime, so
the new scar
is hardly noticeable. I miss the FlagFly bad but I'm
not in a position
to replace it just now, plus I'm a tad sensitive about 2
stroke flying
now. That's just me, your mileage may vary.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
On 3/7/2016 10:00 AM, Richard Pike wrote:
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<thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
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I'm about to receive a used FireStar 2 kit in 2 days, and I am planning to put in the 4 stroke Big Bad Twin engine from Valley Engineering. Where I'm going to fly this airplane (Los Angeles city) definitely requires the reliability of a 4 stroke. From all the research I've done, it appears to be an affordable, reliable, and good performing engine for this type aircraft. I will report on my progress with this engine.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net      - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Tue, 3/8/16, Dave Kulp <undoctor(at)rcn.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Re: Extending instrument panel
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2016, 10:44 AM
Dave Kulp <undoctor(at)rcn.com>
I sold it to a man up on the Cape (Cod) who has a business
of restoring
antique cars. He called me about all the dimensions
and built a
stainless steel trailer to come down and pick the FlagFly
up.
The damage, although I ended up upside down, was solely to
the cage, but
I figured it would be foolish to spend the money (I'm not
equipped to do
it myself) to have it repaired and still have a 2 stroke
engine. Now
that it's gone I probably should have considered replacing
the engine
with a 4 stroke because it was built meticulously and I
loved that
little thing!!! Like a sports car in the sky.
Dave
On 3/8/2016 12:57 PM, william sullivan wrote:
>
<williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
>
>  Looks very repairable to me. Mine
was worse than that, and went right back together.Â
What did you do with it?
>
>Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
       Â
       Bill
Sullivan
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 3/8/16, Dave Kulp <undoctor(at)rcn.com>
wrote:
>
>Â Â Â Subject: Re: Re: Extending
instrument panel
>Â Â Â To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>Â Â Â Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2016, 12:20
PM
>Â Â Â
>Â Â Â Something to consider about your
>Â Â Â instrument panel;
>Â Â Â Autumn of '13 I took off in my FlagFly
and at about 800' I
>Â Â Â had an engine
>   out. Too low to do a 180 so I
looked for a place to
>   put it down. Lots
>Â Â Â of soybean fields so I picked the best
one and, thinking the
>Â Â Â soybeans
>Â Â Â were maybe 6 - 8" high, went in to
land. Found out
>Â Â Â after I was able to
>Â Â Â locate the seat belt buckle (major
disorientation when
>Â Â Â hanging upside
>Â Â Â down by the belt!!) drop down and
climb out before it caught
>Â Â Â fire that
>Â Â Â the soybeans are about 2 1/2 to 3'
high, and the stems are
>Â Â Â like hemp
>   ropes. When the landing gear got
into the soybeans and
>Â Â Â stopped, the
>Â Â Â nose dug straight down into the ground
and bent up as I was
>Â Â Â forced
>   forward by the inertia. My shins
got acquainted with
>Â Â Â the bottom of the
>Â Â Â instrument panel and I snapped off the
bottom of the slip
>Â Â Â indicator with
>   my right shin bone. Took a while
to heal.
>Â Â Â
>Â Â Â If you look at the pic of the front
end and wonder how my
>Â Â Â face did with
>Â Â Â the tube that supports the windscreen,
not too bad,
>Â Â Â Third deep cut at
>Â Â Â the same place on the bridge of my
nose in my lifetime, so
>Â Â Â the new scar
>   is hardly noticeable. I miss the
FlagFly bad but I'm
>Â Â Â not in a position
>Â Â Â to replace it just now, plus I'm a tad
sensitive about 2
>Â Â Â stroke flying
>   now. That's just me, your
mileage may vary.
>Â Â Â
>Â Â Â Dave Kulp
>Â Â Â Bethlehem, PA
>Â Â Â
>Â Â Â On 3/7/2016 10:00 AM, Richard Pike
wrote:
>Â Â Â > --> Kolb-List message posted
by: "Richard Pike"
>Â Â Â <thegreybaron(at)charter.net>
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Great, Bill. Looking forward to your analysis.
Dave Kulp
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Bill Berle
Date:03/08/2016 2:25 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Extending instrument panel
--> Kolb-List message posted by: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
I'm about to receive a used FireStar 2 kit in 2 days, and I am planning to put in the 4 stroke Big Bad Twin engine from Valley Engineering. Where I'm going to fly this airplane (Los Angeles city) definitely requires the reliability of a 4 stroke. From all the research I've done, it appears to be an affordable, reliable, and good performing engine for this type aircraft. I will report on my progress with this engine.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 3/8/16, Dave Kulp <undoctor(at)rcn.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Extending instrument panel
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2016, 10:44 AM
--> Kolb-List message posted by:
Dave Kulp <undoctor(at)rcn.com>
I sold it to a man up on the Cape (Cod) who has a business
of restoring
antique cars. He called me about all the dimensions
and built a
stainless steel trailer to come down and pick the FlagFly
up.
The damage, although I ended up upside down, was solely to
the cage, but
I figured it would be foolish to spend the money (I'm not
equipped to do
it myself) to have it repaired and still have a 2 stroke
engine. Now
that it's gone I probably should have considered replacing
the engine
with a 4 stroke because it was built meticulously and I
loved that
little thing!!! Like a sports car in the sky.
Dave
On 3/8/2016 12:57 PM, william sullivan wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: william sullivan
<williamtsullivan(at)att.net>
>
> Looks very repairable to me. Mine
was worse than that, and went right back together.
What did you do with it?
>
>
Bill
Sullivan
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 3/8/16, Dave Kulp <undoctor(at)rcn.com>
wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Extending
instrument panel
> To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2016, 12:20
PM
>
> Something to consider about your
> instrument panel;
> Autumn of '13 I took off in my FlagFly
and at about 800' I
> had an engine
> out. Too low to do a 180 so I
looked for a place to
> put it down. Lots
> of soybean fields so I picked the best
one and, thinking the
> soybeans
> were maybe 6 - 8" high, went in to
land. Found out
> after I was able to
> locate the seat belt buckle (major
disorientation when
> hanging upside
> down by the belt!!) drop down and
climb out before it caught
> fire that
> the soybeans are about 2 1/2 to 3'
high, and the stems are
> like hemp
> ropes. When the landing gear got
into the soybeans and
> stopped, the
> nose dug straight down into the ground
and bent up as I was
> forced
> forward by the inertia. My shins
got acquainted with
> the bottom of the
> instrument panel and I snapped off the
bottom of the slip
> indicator with
> my right shin bone. Took a while
to heal.
>
> If you look at the pic of the front
end and wonder how my
> face did with
> the tube that supports the windscreen,
not too bad,
> Third deep cut at
> the same place on the bridge of my
nose in my lifetime, so
> the new scar
> is hardly noticeable. I miss the
FlagFly bad but I'm
> not in a position
> to replace it just now, plus I'm a tad
sensitive about 2
> stroke flying
> now. That's just me, your
mileage may vary.
>
> Dave Kulp
> Bethlehem, PA
>
> On 3/7/2016 10:00 AM, Richard Pike
wrote:
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:15 pm Post subject: Extending instrument panel |
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That engine did not perform well on the Kolb Firestar II.
We had one builder install one. I did not fly it, but had a chance to watch it fly for several days. As I said. It did not perform well on the FSII.
Of course, this is my opinion only.
john h
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:17 pm Post subject: Extending instrument panel |
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I might add to my previous post, the HKS engine has proven to be a good, reliable performer on the FSII. I have flown this configuration several times. Larry Cottrell's FSII is HKS powered.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 7:33 pm Post subject: Extending instrument panel |
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What was the problem with that engine? What specifically did it not do well?
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On Tue, 3/8/16, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote:
Subject: RE: Re: Extending instrument panel
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2016, 5:14 PM
"John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>
That engine did not perform well on the Kolb Firestar
II.Â
We had one builder install one. I did not fly it, but had a
chance to watch it fly for several days. As I
said. It did not perform well on the FSII.
Of course, this is my opinion only.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:05 am Post subject: Extending instrument panel |
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Was very low on power.
The FS flew in from Houston, TX, to our flyin at Star Hill, LA. I did not pay much attention to the power plant other than watch it fly. Cannot remember if it was running a redrive or not.
Don't get me wrong. I am not saying anything derogatory about the power plant, but I am saying take off and climb performance was very poor, something not natural to a FSII.
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