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John Hauck
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 Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 11:15 am Post subject: Tires for your Firestar |
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What are the specs on axles and wheel bearings?
What are the specs on the tires?
What is the difficulty in mounting and dismounting tires
from wheels?
Is a field repair doable under adverse conditions?
Thanks in advance,
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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"Carolina Flyer" <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com> wrote: And I don't plan I come to California for any reason .
OK Joe, I saw the price on the Matronics website. It is a very good price for a custom wheel and tire set.
I understand that you aren't happy with the idea of coming to CA to remove the tires from the wheels when I need to chenge or repair them... so don't you think you should tell me how I'm supposed to do it myself in the field?
Once again, with 100% sincere respect, for any tire and wheel combination that I put on an airplane, I will need to know how to service, repair, or replace the components.
I could be wrong, but I would imagine anyone else on this discussion forum would want to know that too.
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Joe
Do you have tires and tubes for 6" Matco wheels?
Rick Neilsen
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On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 12:45 AM, Carolina Flyer <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com (joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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This is just my opinion but these are the best tires and wheel combination for a Firestar. HUGE 21" X 12" X 8" 2-PLY TIRES, 8" Diameter one piece Aluminum Wheels. Wheels 7"and 9" wide are in stock now . Custom sizes can be made. This is your one-stop source for Tundra/Bush Wheels, Tires, and Brake Systems. I have been supplying wheels and tires and brake systems to ultralights owners all the way up LSA owners. All the way up to 1500 lbs. 5/8" to beefy 3/4" axles. Either hand controls or heel & toe dual master cylinder configurations. I have single piston calipers and also dual piston calipers available. Whether you need Single items or complete systems we can make what you need.
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It seems like a week or so back we discussed breaking a bead with a small tire tool from harbor freight... And this week how to install tires on dessors web page. If you offer to send someone a round trip ticket and lodging fees,,, I'll bet someone would take you up on it...
The information is out there
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"Carolina Flyer" <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com (joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com)> wrote: And I don't plan I come to California for any reason .
OK Joe, I saw the price on the Matronics website. It is a very good price for a custom wheel and tire set.
I understand that you aren't happy with the idea of coming to CA to remove the tires from the wheels when I need to chenge or repair them... so don't you think you should tell me how I'm supposed to do it myself in the field?
Once again, with 100% sincere respect, for any tire and wheel combination that I put on an airplane, I will need to know how to service, repair, or replace the components.
I could be wrong, but I would imagine anyone else on this discussion forum would want to know that too.
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Bill, I use a cheap harbor freight device for putting the tires on, cost $49.95 I think.
Rick, The only tires that I sell are these that I have pictures of and they fit on a 8 inch rims
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You could be right, but the only time I've ever seen a mark on an auto
tire is when the tire tech marks it prior to pulling it off the rim to
fix a flat. I will concede that you have about a decade more experience
available, as I'm only 64 (until the end of the week).
I do agree that a/c tires are usually made to higher standards than what
you'd find on a garden trailer (what's often seen on UL's & other
non-certified light a/c. But the fact that the instructions give 2
possible alignments, depending on whether the tube is marked, seems to
say that the tire has a heavy spot, and the tube does also (which may or
may not be the valve stem). The very fact that they are marking the
light spot on the wheel makes it very difficult to accept that it's
'balanced'.
Charlie
On 3/12/2016 9:58 AM, John Hauck wrote:
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To the best of my knowledge, there is a reference mark on all auto/truck and aircraft tires to align the valve stem, whether tube or tubeless. The valve stem, tube or tubeless, is aligned with the mark on the tire bead. I imagine the tire is manufactured to compensate for the valve stem and the valve stem hole in the wheel. What do you think?
john h
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The tires and wheels do look nice, and are likely a good option if
flying close to home.
However, it seems like you're missing his point. He's talking about real
'bush' flying, away from airports & service facilities. With
conventional 2 piece wheels, you could break them down with simple hand
tools to repair a flat, and a small hand pump to re-inflate. But with
auto-style one piece wheels, it requires specialized (heavy) tools to
break a tire down for repair. Not likely to be in a tool kit you can
carry in a Kolb or other very light a/c.
Charlie
On 3/13/2016 11:19 PM, Carolina Flyer wrote:
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Rick, The only tires that I sell are these that I have pictures of and they fit on a 8 inch rims
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RK 400 Clutch
Challenger II
503 Tall Drive
Location : Buffalo South Carolina
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| Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:30 am Post subject: Tires for your Firestar |
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I have three metal tire irons that I carry with me. Less than 1 lb. for the set and with a little water as lubricant they get the tire off a one piece wheel just fine. It's breaking the bead that's the trick and for that I just use a hammer with one iron to get it started. It's not what I'd use at home, but we're talking stranded in the outback with the vultures circling. :-}
Rick Girard
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The tires and wheels do look nice, and are likely a good option if flying close to home.
However, it seems like you're missing his point. He's talking about real 'bush' flying, away from airports & service facilities. With conventional 2 piece wheels, you could break them down with simple hand tools to repair a flat, and a small hand pump to re-inflate. But with auto-style one piece wheels, it requires specialized (heavy) tools to break a tire down for repair. Not likely to be in a tool kit you can carry in a Kolb or other very light a/c.
Charlie
On 3/13/2016 11:19 PM, Carolina Flyer wrote:
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Bill, I use a cheap harbor freight device for putting the tires on, cost $49.95 I think.
Rick, The only tires that I sell are these that I have pictures of and they fit on a 8 inch rims
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503 C-Box / RK400
Soon to have a
Rotax 670 DCDI
with a C-Box and
RK 400 Clutch
Challenger II
503 Tall Drive
Location : Buffalo South Carolina
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Yes, I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to hassle or trash-talk anyone or their product. I do prefer not having to wrestle with someone just to get an answer to my question, but regardless of the effort it takes to get that answer my motives and agendas are positive and not negative.
My situation is that I want to fly extreme-STOL up in the mountains and desert. I've been scouting several locations in my 172, and believe it or not most of them are actually within 50 or 60 miles of the "big city" limits. So it's not like I'm going out Grizzly bear bow hunting in the Aleutian Islands or anything... but it's still way too far for me to just "walk into town" with a tire and wheel in my hands.
I will have a small lightweight tool kit with me, and a tire pump. Even on a certified172 I can take the wheel off the airplane with a medium Crescent wrench, take the wheel apart with three 1/4 inch bolts, replace an inner tube or patch a tire, and get it back together to fly back home.
Bill Berle
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On Mon, 3/14/16, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Re: Tires for your Firestar
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Monday, March 14, 2016, 9:29 AM
I have three metal
tire irons that I carry with me. Less than 1 lb. for the set
and with a little water as lubricant they get the tire off a
one piece wheel just fine. It's breaking the bead
that's the trick and for that I just use a hammer with
one iron to get it started. It's not what I'd use at
home, but we're talking stranded in the outback with the
vultures circling. :-}
Rick Girard
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at 9:16 AM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
wrote:
Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
The tires and wheels do look nice, and are likely a good
option if flying close to home.
However, it seems like you're missing his point.
He's talking about real 'bush' flying, away from
airports & service facilities. With conventional 2 piece
wheels, you could break them down with simple hand tools to
repair a flat, and a small hand pump to re-inflate. But with
auto-style one piece wheels, it requires specialized (heavy)
tools to break a tire down for repair. Not likely to be in a
tool kit you can carry in a Kolb or other very light
a/c.
Charlie
On 3/13/2016 11:19 PM, Carolina Flyer wrote:
Flyer" <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com>
Bill, I use a cheap harbor freight device for putting the
tires on, cost $49.95 I think.
Rick, The only tires that I sell are these that I have
pictures of and they fit on a 8 inch rims
--------
Kolb Firestar II
503 C-Box / RK400
Soon to have a
Rotax 670 DCDI
with a C-Box and
RK 400 Clutch
Challenger II
503 Tall Drive
Location : Buffalo South Carolina
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"I will have a small lightweight tool kit with me, and a tire pump. Even on a certified172 I can take the wheel off the airplane with a medium Crescent wrench, take the wheel apart with three 1/4 inch bolts, replace an inner tube or patch a tire, and get it back together to fly back home."
I just carry a can of "spare tire" wrapped in bubble wrap in the back of my plane.
Larry
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net (victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
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Yes, I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to hassle or trash-talk anyone or their product. I do prefer not having to wrestle with someone just to get an answer to my question, but regardless of the effort it takes to get that answer my motives and agendas are positive and not negative.
My situation is that I want to fly extreme-STOL up in the mountains and desert. I've been scouting several locations in my 172, and believe it or not most of them are actually within 50 or 60 miles of the "big city" limits. So it's not like I'm going out Grizzly bear bow hunting in the Aleutian Islands or anything... but it's still way too far for me to just "walk into town" with a tire and wheel in my hands.
I will have a small lightweight tool kit with me, and a tire pump. Even on a certified172 I can take the wheel off the airplane with a medium Crescent wrench, take the wheel apart with three 1/4 inch bolts, replace an inner tube or patch a tire, and get it back together to fly back home.
Bill Berle
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On Mon, 3/14/16, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Subject: Re: Re: Tires for your Firestar
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)>
Date: Monday, March 14, 2016, 9:29 AM
I have three metal
tire irons that I carry with me. Less than 1 lb. for the set
and with a little water as lubricant they get the tire off a
one piece wheel just fine. It's breaking the bead
that's the trick and for that I just use a hammer with
one iron to get it started. It's not what I'd use at
home, but we're talking stranded in the outback with the
vultures circling. :-}
Rick Girard
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at 9:16 AM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)>
wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by:
Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)>
The tires and wheels do look nice, and are likely a good
option if flying close to home.
However, it seems like you're missing his point.
He's talking about real 'bush' flying, away from
airports & service facilities. With conventional 2 piece
wheels, you could break them down with simple hand tools to
repair a flat, and a small hand pump to re-inflate. But with
auto-style one piece wheels, it requires specialized (heavy)
tools to break a tire down for repair. Not likely to be in a
tool kit you can carry in a Kolb or other very light
a/c.
Charlie
On 3/13/2016 11:19 PM, Carolina Flyer wrote:
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Flyer" <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com (joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com)>
Bill, I use a cheap harbor freight device for putting the
tires on, cost $49.95 I think.
Rick, The only tires that I sell are these that I have
pictures of and they fit on a 8 inch rims
--------
Kolb Firestar II
503 C-Box / RK400
Soon to have a
Rotax 670 DCDI
with a C-Box and
RK 400 Clutch
Challenger II
503 Tall Drive
Location : Buffalo South Carolina
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Here's a potential game-changer solution right here...
http://www.goldspeedproducts.com/shop/tire-blocks/
These are foam inserts that allow you to run lower pressure and even run safely when punctured flat.
I'll bet that these foam blocks weigh less than the three piece tire iron set that was mentioned earlier, or the can of flat tire repair goop 
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
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On Mon, 3/14/16, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Re: Tires for your Firestar
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Monday, March 14, 2016, 10:37 AM
"
I
will have a small lightweight tool kit with me, and a tire
pump. Even on a certified172 I can take the wheel off the
airplane with a medium Crescent wrench, take the wheel apart
with three 1/4 inch bolts, replace an inner tube or patch a
tire, and get it back together to fly back
home."
I just
carry a can of "spare tire" wrapped in bubble wrap
in the back of my plane.
Larry
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016
at 10:56 AM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
Yes, I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to
hassle or trash-talk anyone or their product. I do prefer
not having to wrestle with someone just to get an answer to
my question, but regardless of the effort it takes to get
that answer my motives and agendas are positive and not
negative.
My situation is that I want to fly extreme-STOL up in the
mountains and desert. I've been scouting several
locations in my 172, and believe it or not most of them are
actually within 50 or 60 miles of the "big city"
limits. So it's not like I'm going out Grizzly bear
bow hunting in the Aleutian Islands or anything... but
it's still way too far for me to just "walk into
town" with a tire and wheel in my hands.
I will have a small lightweight tool kit with me, and a tire
pump. Even on a certified172 I can take the wheel off the
airplane with a medium Crescent wrench, take the wheel apart
with three 1/4 inch bolts, replace an inner tube or patch a
tire, and get it back together to fly back home.
Bill Berle
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 3/14/16, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
wrote:
Subject: Re: Re: Tires for your Firestar
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com"
<kolb-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Monday, March 14, 2016, 9:29 AM
I have three metal
tire irons that I carry with me. Less than 1 lb. for the
set
and with a little water as lubricant they get the tire off
a
one piece wheel just fine. It's breaking the bead
that's the trick and for that I just use a hammer
with
one iron to get it started. It's not what I'd use
at
home, but we're talking stranded in the outback with
the
vultures circling. :-}
Rick Girard
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016
at 9:16 AM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
wrote:
Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
The tires and wheels do look nice, and are likely a good
option if flying close to home.
However, it seems like you're missing his point.
He's talking about real 'bush' flying, away
from
airports & service facilities. With conventional 2
piece
wheels, you could break them down with simple hand tools
to
repair a flat, and a small hand pump to re-inflate. But
with
auto-style one piece wheels, it requires specialized
(heavy)
tools to break a tire down for repair. Not likely to be in
a
tool kit you can carry in a Kolb or other very light
a/c.
Charlie
On 3/13/2016 11:19 PM, Carolina Flyer wrote:
Flyer" <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com>
Bill, I use a cheap harbor freight device for putting
the
tires on, cost $49.95 I think.
Rick, The only tires that I sell are these that I have
pictures of and they fit on a 8 inch rims
--------
Kolb Firestar II
503 C-Box / RK400
Soon to have a
Rotax 670 DCDI
with a C-Box and
RK 400 Clutch
Challenger II
503 Tall Drive
Location : Buffalo South Carolina
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You can go down to the local ag supplier or tire dealer that does ag tires and get your tires filled with foam. No more flats and no more suspension help. 4-6 psi, even 8-10 psi is a big help on rough/soft fields/strips. Believe that foam would make the tire rigid, or at least that is what I have read on some of the antique tractor forums. A big foot print makes a lot of difference when pulling.
I use the best heavy duty inner tube I can find for the MKIII. Now I discover Desser has a double heavy duty self sealing tube:
"CUSTOMERS asked for an AIRCRAFT SPECIFICATION TUBE for this application. Twice as thick as the Light Sport Rated tube and made by our aircraft tube manufacturer.
"LEAKGUARD®" Butyl Inner Tubes Are Blended With A Proprietary Leak Resistant Compound For Less Maintenance. Aero Classic provides more aircraft tubes to the US Military than any other manufacturer. Aero Classic tubes are FULL SIZE, not stretch to fit."
I'll give these a try next time I change out my tubes.
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John,
You are right about foaming a tire. When I worked for the county road crew we would foam tires on the packer that went flat.
Foaming is a permanent fix for a tire, it will never go flat again. It also is very, very heavy. If I foamed the tires on the Firefly I am not sure I could lift off with them.
Also correct about making the tire solid. No give what so ever. Would be like landing with skis on pavement. 
A can of "fix-a-flat" is probably a fairly good way to go. If you get a small puncture the sealant will probably seal it and there should be enough "air" to fill the small tire of a Kolb. A slice or rip in the tire or tube can't be fixed with sealant so you are probably walking.
The LEAKGUARD is an interesting product and will probably be a good return for the small amount of increased weight. Of course maybe we could fill our tires with helium to counteract the added weight.
I wonder how many more Kolb's would qualify as ultralight if we put bags of helium between the ribs? Bryan?
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The foam blocks that I linked in my post looked like they had some give to them, not rigid. They had a compressor tool that squeezes the foam blocks for installation.... I am betting that they use a flexible foam.
Bill Berle
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On Mon, 3/14/16, Stuart Harner <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net> wrote:
Subject: RE: Re: Tires for your Firestar
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Monday, March 14, 2016, 12:57 PM
"Stuart Harner" <stuart(at)harnerfarm.net>
John,
You are right about foaming a tire. When I worked for the
county road crew we would foam tires on the packer that went
flat.
Foaming is a permanent fix for a tire, it will never go flat
again. It also is very, very heavy. If I foamed
the tires on the Firefly I am not sure I could lift off with
them.
Also correct about making the tire solid. No give what so
ever. Would be like landing with skis on pavement.
A can of "fix-a-flat" is probably a fairly good way to go.
If you get a small puncture the sealant will probably seal
it and there should be enough "air" to fill the small tire
of a Kolb. A slice or rip in the tire or tube can't be fixed
with sealant so you are probably walking.
The LEAKGUARD is an interesting product and will probably be
a good return for the small amount of increased
weight. Of course maybe we could fill our tires with
helium to counteract the added weight.
I wonder how many more Kolb's would qualify as ultralight if
we put bags of helium between the ribs? Bryan?
Stuart
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I think you are right. I found their Facebook page. Looked at a few video clips. Seemed to be working out on quads and SXSs.
May have something there. Give'em a try. Let us know how they work out.
john h
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you could also try this. I've never used it, can't make a recommendation.
https://www.zoro.com/3m-flexible-foam-nvh-08463/i/G0406463/?gdffi=047ada998cf641fa93e55ae8579df863&gdfms=5EA4232146CF4B229C255AAAF651CF33&gclid=CPW8-dyLw8sCFQYIaQodCZwIjw&gclsrc=aw.ds
Lots of Youtube videos about using urethane foam to fill tires, too, but it doesn't remain flexible so it'll crush up over time and make a mess in something like an aircraft tire.
Rick
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Here's a potential game-changer solution right here...
http://www.goldspeedproducts.com/shop/tire-blocks/
These are foam inserts that allow you to run lower pressure and even run safely when punctured flat.
I'll bet that these foam blocks weigh less than the three piece tire iron set that was mentioned earlier, or the can of flat tire repair goop
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Mon, 3/14/16, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
Subject: Re: Re: Tires for your Firestar
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)>
Date: Monday, March 14, 2016, 10:37 AM
"
I
will have a small lightweight tool kit with me, and a tire
pump. Even on a certified172 I can take the wheel off the
airplane with a medium Crescent wrench, take the wheel apart
with three 1/4 inch bolts, replace an inner tube or patch a
tire, and get it back together to fly back
home."
I just
carry a can of "spare tire" wrapped in bubble wrap
in the back of my plane.
Larry
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016
at 10:56 AM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net (victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net)>
wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by:
Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net (victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net)>
Yes, I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to
hassle or trash-talk anyone or their product. I do prefer
not having to wrestle with someone just to get an answer to
my question, but regardless of the effort it takes to get
that answer my motives and agendas are positive and not
negative.
My situation is that I want to fly extreme-STOL up in the
mountains and desert. I've been scouting several
locations in my 172, and believe it or not most of them are
actually within 50 or 60 miles of the "big city"
limits. So it's not like I'm going out Grizzly bear
bow hunting in the Aleutian Islands or anything... but
it's still way too far for me to just "walk into
town" with a tire and wheel in my hands.
I will have a small lightweight tool kit with me, and a tire
pump. Even on a certified172 I can take the wheel off the
airplane with a medium Crescent wrench, take the wheel apart
with three 1/4 inch bolts, replace an inner tube or patch a
tire, and get it back together to fly back home.
Bill Berle
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 3/14/16, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com (aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com)>
wrote:
Subject: Re: Re: Tires for your Firestar
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)"
<kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)>
Date: Monday, March 14, 2016, 9:29 AM
I have three metal
tire irons that I carry with me. Less than 1 lb. for the
set
and with a little water as lubricant they get the tire off
a
one piece wheel just fine. It's breaking the bead
that's the trick and for that I just use a hammer
with
one iron to get it started. It's not what I'd use
at
home, but we're talking stranded in the outback with
the
vultures circling. :-}
Rick Girard
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016
at 9:16 AM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)>
wrote:
--> Kolb-List message posted by:
Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)>
The tires and wheels do look nice, and are likely a good
option if flying close to home.
However, it seems like you're missing his point.
He's talking about real 'bush' flying, away
from
airports & service facilities. With conventional 2
piece
wheels, you could break them down with simple hand tools
to
repair a flat, and a small hand pump to re-inflate. But
with
auto-style one piece wheels, it requires specialized
(heavy)
tools to break a tire down for repair. Not likely to be in
a
tool kit you can carry in a Kolb or other very light
a/c.
Charlie
On 3/13/2016 11:19 PM, Carolina Flyer wrote:
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Flyer" <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com (joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com)>
Bill, I use a cheap harbor freight device for putting
the
tires on, cost $49.95 I think.
Rick, The only tires that I sell are these that I have
pictures of and they fit on a 8 inch rims
--------
Kolb Firestar II
503 C-Box / RK400
Soon to have a
Rotax 670 DCDI
with a C-Box and
RK 400 Clutch
Challenger II
503 Tall Drive
Location : Buffalo South Carolina
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I'm sure that the chemical type of foam is the key, because of exactly that problem... getting less flexible over time and turning into a mess. I have no idea for sure, but this may be a good application for some kind of foam made form silicone rubber.
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On Tue, 3/15/16, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Re: Tires for your Firestar
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com" <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2016, 9:21 AM
you could also try
this. I've never used it, can't make a
recommendation.
https://www.zoro.com/3m-flexible-foam-nvh-08463/i/G0406463/?gdffi=047ada998cf641fa93e55ae8579df863&gdfms=5EA4232146CF4B229C255AAAF651CF33&gclid=CPW8-dyLw8sCFQYIaQodCZwIjw&gclsrc=aw.ds
Lots of Youtube videos about using urethane foam
to fill tires, too, but it doesn't remain flexible so
it'll crush up over time and make a mess in something
like an aircraft tire.
Rick
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016
at 1:08 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
Here's a potential game-changer solution right
here...
http://www.goldspeedproducts.com/shop/tire-blocks/
These are foam inserts that allow you to run lower pressure
and even run safely when punctured flat.
I'll bet that these foam blocks weigh less than the
three piece tire iron set that was mentioned earlier, or the
can of flat tire repair goop
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com
- safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net
- winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit
entities
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On Mon, 3/14/16, Larry Cottrell
<lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com>
wrote:
Subject: Re: Re: Tires for your Firestar
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com"
<kolb-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Monday, March 14, 2016, 10:37 AM
"
I
will have a small lightweight tool kit with me, and a
tire
pump. Even on a certified172 I can take the wheel off the
airplane with a medium Crescent wrench, take the wheel
apart
with three 1/4 inch bolts, replace an inner tube or patch
a
tire, and get it back together to fly back
home."
I just
carry a can of "spare tire" wrapped in bubble
wrap
in the back of my plane.
Larry
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016
at 10:56 AM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
Yes, I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to
hassle or trash-talk anyone or their product. I do prefer
not having to wrestle with someone just to get an answer
to
my question, but regardless of the effort it takes to get
that answer my motives and agendas are positive and not
negative.
My situation is that I want to fly extreme-STOL up in the
mountains and desert. I've been scouting several
locations in my 172, and believe it or not most of them
are
actually within 50 or 60 miles of the "big
city"
limits. So it's not like I'm going out Grizzly
bear
bow hunting in the Aleutian Islands or anything... but
it's still way too far for me to just "walk into
town" with a tire and wheel in my hands.
I will have a small lightweight tool kit with me, and a
tire
pump. Even on a certified172 I can take the wheel off the
airplane with a medium Crescent wrench, take the wheel
apart
with three 1/4 inch bolts, replace an inner tube or patch
a
tire, and get it back together to fly back home.
Bill Berle
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 3/14/16, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng(at)gmail.com>
wrote:
Subject: Re: Re: Tires for your Firestar
To: "kolb-list(at)matronics.com"
<kolb-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Monday, March 14, 2016, 9:29 AM
I have three metal
tire irons that I carry with me. Less than 1 lb. for
the
set
and with a little water as lubricant they get the tire
off
a
one piece wheel just fine. It's breaking the bead
that's the trick and for that I just use a hammer
with
one iron to get it started. It's not what I'd
use
at
home, but we're talking stranded in the outback
with
the
vultures circling. :-}
Rick Girard
On Mon, Mar 14, 2016
at 9:16 AM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
wrote:
Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com>
The tires and wheels do look nice, and are likely a
good
option if flying close to home.
However, it seems like you're missing his point.
He's talking about real 'bush' flying, away
from
airports & service facilities. With conventional 2
piece
wheels, you could break them down with simple hand
tools
to
repair a flat, and a small hand pump to re-inflate. But
with
auto-style one piece wheels, it requires specialized
(heavy)
tools to break a tire down for repair. Not likely to be
in
a
tool kit you can carry in a Kolb or other very light
a/c.
Charlie
On 3/13/2016 11:19 PM, Carolina Flyer wrote:
Flyer" <joe.a.lawson(at)gmail.com>
Bill, I use a cheap harbor freight device for putting
the
tires on, cost $49.95 I think.
Rick, The only tires that I sell are these that I have
pictures of and they fit on a 8 inch rims
--------
Kolb Firestar II
503 C-Box / RK400
Soon to have a
Rotax 670 DCDI
with a C-Box and
RK 400 Clutch
Challenger II
503 Tall Drive
Location : Buffalo South Carolina
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