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John Hauck

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Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:34 pm Post subject: Last Flight 2005

Kolbers:

 

December 2005, John Williamson, Gary Haley, Ken Korenik and I, flew the Texas coast from Port Arthur to Brownsville.  It was a lot of fun, as we low leveled the beach the entire way.  We camped out on the airports.  Miss those days.

 

john h

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Titus, Alabama

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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 8:08 pm Post subject: Last Flight 2005

" Kolbers:

  December 2005, John Williamson, Gary Haley,

 Ken Korenik and I, flew the Texas coast from Port Arthur to

 Brownsville.  It was a lot of fun, as we low leveled

 the beach the entire way.  We camped out on the

 airports.  Miss those days.

  john hmkIIITitus,

 Alabama"



Beautiful!   What great adventures you have had with this aircraft, congratulations. I hope I'm able to have half as much fun with mine.



Started on the stabilizers of my Firestar kit Saturday, got one side cut, fitted and Clecoed, and was able to start cutting tubes for the second one. Does anyone have a recommendation for or againsit using Alodine chemical conversion as a no-weight corrosion preventive treatment on the aluminum tails?



Bill Berle

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www.grantstar.net           - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities



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On Mon, 4/11/16, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote:



 Subject: Last Flight 2005

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 Date: Monday, April 11, 2016, 4:34 PM

stuart(at)harnerfarm.net
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:50 am Post subject: Last Flight 2005

Bill,



If the tubes are alclad, (I suspect they are) the alodine won't "stick" anyway.



After drilling all the holes in the hinges I got all set up to alodine them. Turned out the only place it would take was the inside of the holes. The hinges were either alclad or already alodined with clear chemical. The pretty gold colored holes were quickly filled with stainless steel rivets so no one can see anyway but I know they are protected. 



You could do a test on a small piece of scrap tube to see what effect it has.



Stuart



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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:42 am Post subject: Last Flight 2005

John

That was such a great photo. John W used to give me a rough time about how wide a formation I would fly with you guys. You even got Gary H to move in real tight. I missed Gary at Sun N Fun this year. Ken took a great photo.

Got talking about Monument Valley with the wife. She never saw the area. We are going to take a side trip up there while visiting my mother in AZ this year. Sure was neat seeing MV with all the Kolb people and planes at the annual Kolb fly in. Do you think we will ever be able to get the new generation of Kolb guys to gather like that.   

Rick Neilsen



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On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 7:34 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:

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Kolbers:

 

December 2005, John Williamson, Gary Haley, Ken Korenik and I, flew the Texas coast from Port Arthur to Brownsville.  It was a lot of fun, as we low leveled the beach the entire way.  We camped out on the airports.  Miss those days.

 

john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:54 am Post subject: Last Flight 2005

From 2003 to 2010, the Kolb Gang did not know what a great thing we had going.  Yeah, we knew it was great, and it kept getting better until the end.

 

If someone wanted to do it again, I might be able to get these old bones out there.  I did fly into and spend the night in the pilot's lounge at MV, Sep 2014.  Wasn't the same without the Kolb Gang though, but just as beautiful and mysterious.  I love the place, the Navajos, and the excitement of flying to and meeting there.

 

Right now I don't know of anyone who is making long or short cross country flights in Kolbs.

 

I've been back a number of times since, on the ground.  Still like it always was.

 

john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama

 

 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 9:42 AM

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Subject: Re: Last Flight 2005



 

John



 



That was such a great photo. John W used to give me a rough time about how wide a formation I would fly with you guys. You even got Gary H to move in real tight. I missed Gary at Sun N Fun this year. Ken took a great photo.



 



Got talking about Monument Valley with the wife. She never saw the area. We are going to take a side trip up there while visiting my mother in AZ this year. Sure was neat seeing MV with all the Kolb people and planes at the annual Kolb fly in. Do you think we will ever be able to get the new generation of Kolb guys to gather like that.   



Rick Neilsen



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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:54 am Post subject: Last Flight 2005

Stuart,



Not meaning to take a poke at you personally, but... Alodine doesn't 

'stick' to the aluminum. It is a 'conversion' process. It basically 

corrodes the microscopic top layer of the aluminum, forming an 

'converted' (basically a modified oxide) layer that prevents further 

corrosion of the underlying aluminum. (Very non-tech, layman's description)



Alodine works fine on alclad (typically 2024 alloy with pure aluminum 

coating to protect the corrosion prone 2024), and also works fine on 

6061 alloy which doesn't need the alclad to protect it. I can personally 

testify to it working on both, because both alloys are used in the RV-7 

I'm building, and I've personally treated both alloys successfully.



The hinges you attempted to treat were almost certainly 6061 or similar 

alloy, without any cladding. If I were a betting man, I'd bet that you 

didn't get the surface perfectly clean and free of oils/other 

contamination, and/or you didn't properly acid etch the parts prior to 

the treatment attempt. All aluminum has a layer of corrosion on its 

surface, if it's been exposed to air for more than a few minutes. The 

alodine cannot 'convert' this layer of oxide; it can only work on 

aluminum itself. It cannot work through any contaminants, either. The 

likely reason you got conversion in the holes and not the surface is 

that the act of drilling the holes removed the contaminants and the 

corrosion layer.



I don't know what alloys are used in Kolbs, but I'd bet that any 

extruded parts (angle, plate, etc) are 6061 and tubing is also 6061, 

except for non-structural stuff like aluminum fuel line, which is 

usually 3000 series alloy. Aluminum sheet could be either 6061 or 2024, 

but is probably 6061.



6061 is pretty corrosion resistant, so unless the plane will be tied 

down outside or lives near salt water, alodine might not be *needed*, 

but it never hurts.



With 2024, the alodine process provides an extra 'layer' of protection 

in addition to the alclad.



Tests have shown that alodine provides as much protection from corrosion 

as the best epoxies or any other actual paint/coating process.



FWIW,



Charlie



On 4/12/2016 8:49 AM, Stuart Harner wrote:

[quote] 



 Bill,



 If the tubes are alclad, (I suspect they are) the alodine won't "stick" anyway.



 After drilling all the holes in the hinges I got all set up to alodine them. Turned out the only place it would take was the inside of the holes. The hinges were either alclad or already alodined with clear chemical. The pretty gold colored holes were quickly filled with stainless steel rivets so no one can see anyway but I know they are protected. 



 You could do a test on a small piece of scrap tube to see what effect it has.



 Stuart



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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:55 am Post subject: Last Flight 2005

6061-T6   is not alclad....  2024-t?  is alclad...meaning...that at the 

mill..the ingot is covered on both sides with a plate of nearly pure 

aluminum... then sent down the rolling mill...the ingot is rolled into 

ever thinning sheet...starting with an ingot of nearly 2 feet thick and 

maybe 12 feet long?  Comes out the other end and is rolled into a spool 

several thousand feet long..depending on the final thickness.



   the reason to clad 2024 is because of its considerable copper content...



   Eventually planes with 2024 sheet, if polished too much , will wear 

through back to the 2024 base metal...  Herb



On 04/12/2016 08:49 AM, Stuart Harner wrote:

[quote] 



 Bill,



 If the tubes are alclad, (I suspect they are) the alodine won't "stick" anyway.



 After drilling all the holes in the hinges I got all set up to alodine them. Turned out the only place it would take was the inside of the holes. The hinges were either alclad or already alodined with clear chemical. The pretty gold colored holes were quickly filled with stainless steel rivets so no one can see anyway but I know they are protected. 



 You could do a test on a small piece of scrap tube to see what effect it has.



 Stuart



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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:37 am Post subject: Last Flight 2005

Charlie,



No offense taken.



Actually I put "stick" in quotes specifically for that reason. I understand the chemical process but chose not to delve into it as college chemistry classes were 35+ years ago.



These days I have to look up most stuff as memory isn't what it once was.  



S



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Leland.Lam

Joined: 19 Nov 2014
Posts: 20
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:01 pm Post subject: Re: Last Flight 2005

"If someone wanted to do it again, I might be able to get these old bones out there.  I did fly into and spend the night in the pilot's lounge at MV, Sep 2014.  Wasn't the same without the Kolb Gang though, but just as beautiful and mysterious.  I love the place, the Navajos, and the excitement of flying to and meeting there. 



Right now I don't know of anyone who is making long or short cross country flights in Kolbs. 



I've been back a number of times since, on the ground.  Still like it always was." 



John,



If you ever get another trip together you can count me and the ole Craw-Gator in. I know the plane was there before, but not with me. I would love a MV trip.



Leland[/quote]

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west1m

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Location: Hastings, MN

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Last Flight 2005

I have been there a few times by auto, would love to see it from my Firefly.

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