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ggtyler

Joined: 05 Mar 2016
Posts: 29

Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:45 pm Post subject: Yak 52 Operating Limitations

Hey guys! New 52TW owner here, and trying to get everything sorted for moving my plane to it's new home base in Placerville, CA.



I've done my research, but can't seem to find a definite answer on the operating limitations. 



I've filed the new program letter with my FSDO, but as far as I can tell FAA Memorandum Deviation to order 8130.2G Section 10 states that I do not need to modify or change the operating limitations to reflect the new home base.



http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/7Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf



According to Part 4107 (D) "All previously issued airworthiness certificates and operating limitations will remain valid".



Question 1: Do I need to file an amendment to the operation limitations to show me as the the new pilot? Or is my program letter sufficient for that? The operating limitations do not list a home base.



Question 2: The operation limitations state that "proficiency flights are limited to a nonstop flight that begin and end at the aircraft's home base airport. An alternate airport selection is not permitted for this aircraft. (exceptions are made for formation flying, training or pilot checkout, as long as I notify my local FSDO)     Does this mean I can not fly to another local airport for takeoff and landing practice? Do I need to notify my FSDO every time I intend to land at another airport?



Thanks for any help or advice you can offer. Really appreciate everything I've already learned by lurking here on these forums.

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Clouddog

Joined: 02 Jun 2016
Posts: 119
Location: Lebanon, TN

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2016 4:45 am Post subject: Yak 52 Operating Limitations

You can be in for a Bag of Worms. The FAR says you need to notify the Local FISDO within 30 days that the aircraft has a new home base. As far as your operating limitations, here is the rub. Depending on how your Operating Limitations read, you may want to change them or you may want to leave them alone. Based on what you wrote, I would change them. Remember, every FISDO is different and none of them are consistent!! Three examples. I changed my "N" number. It required  new Operating Limitations and Airworthiness Certificate and an inspection of my aircraft and logbooks  by the FISDO . When my Limitations were redone, I was able to remove my 300 mile limitation and the Limitations were brought in line with the current regs. It was not a bad experience but you need to have a good FISDO and be involved! Second example. A friend of mine brought a CJ in from Washington state to Indiana. He notified the FISDO within 30 days of the aircraft's new home  and although the FISDO wanted to reissue the limitations, my friend elected not to and I believe has the old 300 mile limitation. Third example. Another friend of mine brought an aircraft in Florida and brought it back to Tennessee. We notified the local FISDO within 30 days and they wanted to see the limitations. Although we were OK with what was written,  when they were approved years prior, the FISDO for some reason put the owners name on the Limitations. Our Local FISDO said we needed a new Operating Limitations issued to remove the previous owners name (We could accept that reasoning). Well, they brought them up to date with the current rules and my buddy jumped through more hoops than a dog  and clown act at a circus! The FISDO came out, inspected the aircraft,  logbooks, made some suggestions, asked a lot of questions and the list goes on but in the end  we "got er done".  Remember, every FISDO is different. Some are reasonable and use common sense and some think they have been working for the FAA of Europe! Get together with someone  in your area that might have a CJ or YAK and go over the limitations.  Read what the new 8130H has to say and gets your ducks lined up. Be prepared to "Stand your ground" if necessary. My local FISDO wanted me to comply with European AD's because there were none in the Good Old U.S.A. I had to say that there was no requirement to comply with Europe's AD's and he backed down but he initially had included them when he rewrote my limitations!!  Good luck. Be prepared and be educated before you start the process. Congratulations on your new purchase. Your going to enjoy the aircraft the the YAK / CJ  Redstar  community. On Jun 3, 2016 6:49 PM, "ggtyler" <ggtyler(at)gmail.com (ggtyler(at)gmail.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		  --> Yak-List message posted by: "ggtyler" <ggtyler(at)gmail.com (ggtyler(at)gmail.com)>

 

 Hey guys! New 52TW owner here, and trying to get everything sorted for moving my plane to it's new home base in Placerville, CA.

 

 I've done my research, but can't seem to find a definite answer on the operating limitations.

 

 I've filed the new program letter with my FSDO, but as far as I can tell FAA Memorandum Deviation to order 8130.2G Section 10 states that I do not need to modify or change the operating limitations to reflect the new home base.

 

 http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/7Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf

 

 According to Part 4107 (D) "All previously issued airworthiness certificates and operating limitations will remain valid".

 

 Question 1: Do I need to file an amendment to the operation limitations to show me as the the new pilot? Or is my program letter sufficient for that? The operating limitations to not list a home base.

 

 Question 2: The operation limitations state that "proficiency flights are limited to a nonstop flight that begin and end at the aircraft's home base airport. An alternate airport selection is not permitted for this aircraft. (exceptions are made for formation flying, training or pilot checkout, as long as I notify my local FSDO)     Does this mean I can not fly to another local airport for takeoff and landing practice? Do I need to notify my FSDO ever time I intend to land at another airport?

 

 Thanks for any help or advise you can offer. Really appreciate I've already learned by lurking here on these forums.

 

 

 

 

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