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west1m
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I can't compete with Larry wonderful movies but I snapped some pictures on the way to Chetek (Y23) the other day.
http://www.west1m.com/June_8_2016Chetek/index.html
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:44 am Post subject: A little Wisconsin green |
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I liked the photos.  My question. Without any mountains for a reference. How do you know where you are? Every thing is so flat!!!
Boyd y On Jun 11, 2016 9:42 PM, "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com (west1m(at)hotmail.com)> wrote: | Quote: | --> Kolb-List message posted by: "west1m" <west1m(at)hotmail.com (west1m(at)hotmail.com)>
I can't compete with Larry wonderful movies but I snapped some pictures on the way to Chetek (Y23) the other day.
http://www.west1m.com/June_8_2016Chetek/index.html
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: A little Wisconsin green |
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Good question! I have complained about not knowing which way is which ever since I left Southern California 25 Years Ago. I miss the Mountains.
If it wasn't for GPS I am afraid my flying might not be round trip.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 9:06 pm Post subject: A little Wisconsin green |
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Wow you guys need some flat land navigation training. What happens if the GPS fails. Good old compass and clock, charts and if all else fails circle a water tower.
Did a flight to a great fly in a few years ago. When I landed 200 miles from home I forgot to power off my GPS/com before tuning off the engine. When it was time to go home I found I had fried my GPS and radio. Adding to the issue I had to deviate around some big thunder storms on the way home. When I cleared the storms I knew I was way off course. The first town I came to I circled the water tower to get the town's name. I was a good 30 miles off course. With my charts compass and clock It was no big deal to get me close enough to familiar ground to get me home.
Now I have Fore Flight on my phone as a back up GPS.
Rick Neilsen
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On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 10:26 PM, west1m <west1m(at)hotmail.com (west1m(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
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Good question! I have complained about not knowing which way is which ever since I left Southern California 25 Years Ago. I miss the Mountains.
If it wasn't for GPS I am afraid my flying might not be round trip.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:44 am Post subject: A little Wisconsin green |
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Nav is much simpler here. Take off and fly to the corner pub. The Ham Tree. Fly West to The Bunch of Grapes. Follow the canal to The Canal Tavern. East to the Rose and Crown.....and like that.
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Subject: Re: Re: A little Wisconsin green
Wow you guys need some flat land navigation training. What happens if the GPS fails. Good old compass and clock, charts and if all else fails circle a water tower.
Did a flight to a great fly in a few years ago. When I landed 200 miles from home I forgot to power off my GPS/com before tuning off the engine. When it was time to go home I found I had fried my GPS and radio. Adding to the issue I had to deviate around some big thunder storms on the way home. When I cleared the storms I knew I was way off course. The first town I came to I circled the water tower to get the town's name. I was a good 30 miles off course. With my charts compass and clock It was no big deal to get me close enough to familiar ground to get me home.
Now I have Fore Flight on my phone as a back up GPS.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 10:26 PM, west1m <west1m(at)hotmail.com (west1m(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
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Good question! I have complained about not knowing which way is which ever since I left Southern California 25 Years Ago. I miss the Mountains.
If it wasn't for GPS I am afraid my flying might not be round trip.
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:36 am Post subject: A little Wisconsin green |
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Pilotage and Dead Reckoning is the way I flew in VN the majority of the time. We sure could have used GPS back then. Could have saved a lot of lives and done a much better job, both on the ground and in the air.
The first 10 years of my Kolb flying was Pilotage and Dead Reckoning, in the Ultrastar, Firestar, and MKIII. Flew in all the states east of the Mississippi River and four on the west side without GPS or Loran.  Just before I departed on my 17,500 mile flight in 1994, I was able to buy a Garmin GPS 55AVD.   Only numbers in the display. No moving maps and no airport information. I had to use sectionals, Canadian, and Alaskan Flight Supplements for airport info. Kept me busy.  Even this little GPS sure saved a lot of time and saved my buns flying in Canada, especially Alaska where the deviation/variation is as much as 19 degrees.
I have lost GPS coverage a few times over the last 23 years and resorted to Pilotage and Dead Reckoning. It was actually fun navigating again. Not looking at ground speed and trying to squeeze more speed out of the airplane was more relaxed flying. However, the GPS saves a lot of fuel and is an excellent safety device when it comes time to head to the nearest airport.
Everyone that flies with GPS should also stay current flying Pilotage and Dead Reckoning to fall back on when the GPS fails.
john h
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Wow you guys need some flat land navigation training. What happens if the GPS fails. Good old compass and clock, charts and if all else fails circle a water tower.
Did a flight to a great fly in a few years ago. When I landed 200 miles from home I forgot to power off my GPS/com before tuning off the engine. When it was time to go home I found I had fried my GPS and radio. Adding to the issue I had to deviate around some big thunder storms on the way home. When I cleared the storms I knew I was way off course. The first town I came to I circled the water tower to get the town's name. I was a good 30 miles off course. With my charts compass and clock It was no big deal to get me close enough to familiar ground to get me home.
Now I have Fore Flight on my phone as a back up GPS.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 10:26 PM, west1m <west1m(at)hotmail.com (west1m(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:
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Good question! I have complained about not knowing which way is which ever since I left Southern California 25 Years Ago. I miss the Mountains.
If it wasn't for GPS I am afraid my flying might not be round trip.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:56 am Post subject: A little Wisconsin green |
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flat land training is something I've never done...  when at altitude when you can see your home mountains from 200 miles away,  the only decision is which mountains are you going to fly over, and which are you going to fly around. and a lot of that decision is not to hard,,,  just by looking at the set of mountains between the ones your deciding over, and the ones near your destination.   course I say that is easy,,, you have to factor in the wind, landing spots, and how far you want to walk to get to a road. Â
argh,,, mountain flying got to love it.  or move to flat land.
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:05 am Post subject: A little Wisconsin green |
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Mountain flying is extremely exciting and entertaining. Flat land flying is extremely boring.
I enjoy flying out West because of the mountains and desert, canyons and critters. However, one must contend with weather that can become deadly and keep one grounded for days at a time. 2011 took me 11 days to fly from Alabama to Oregon, and 7 days for the return flight. I encountered bad weather in flat and lumpy areas.
john h
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Titus, Alabama
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flat land training is something I've never done... when at altitude when you can see your home mountains from 200 miles away, the only decision is which mountains are you going to fly over, and which are you going to fly around. and a lot of that decision is not to hard,,, just by looking at the set of mountains between the ones your deciding over, and the ones near your destination. course I say that is easy,,, you have to factor in the wind, landing spots, and how far you want to walk to get to a road.
argh,,, mountain flying got to love it. or move to flat land.
Boyd Y
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:21 am Post subject: A little Wisconsin green |
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I forgot to add: A normal flight to Oregon is 24.0 flight hours and 4 days duration. Same same return flight.
john h
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Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 9:06 AM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Re: A little Wisconsin green
Mountain flying is extremely exciting and entertaining. Flat land flying is extremely boring.
I enjoy flying out West because of the mountains and desert, canyons and critters. However, one must contend with weather that can become deadly and keep one grounded for days at a time. 2011 took me 11 days to fly from Alabama to Oregon, and 7 days for the return flight. I encountered bad weather in flat and lumpy areas.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of B Young
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 8:55 AM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: A little Wisconsin green
flat land training is something I've never done... when at altitude when you can see your home mountains from 200 miles away, the only decision is which mountains are you going to fly over, and which are you going to fly around. and a lot of that decision is not to hard,,, just by looking at the set of mountains between the ones your deciding over, and the ones near your destination. course I say that is easy,,, you have to factor in the wind, landing spots, and how far you want to walk to get to a road.
argh,,, mountain flying got to love it. or move to flat land.
Boyd Y
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