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 Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:51 pm Post subject: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's |
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So if you have been following the MT prop gov saga, you are most likely aware that we established that the Hartzell gov for the 540 comes in two flavors:
S-1-26 for narrow decks
S-1-32 for wide decks
We also had established, or I thought we had, that Van's carried both but under the un-intuitive nomenclature in the catalog of O-540 and IO-540 (I say un-intuitive because the fuel delivery system has no bearing on the correct type of gov for a given engine). Any way, thus informed, I ordered the O-540 version under the impression I would get the S-1-26 narrow deck model.
Nope. The box had O-540 written on the outside but also a printed sticker that said S-1-32. My heart sank. I opened the box all the way up to verify ad sure enough it's an S-1-32 wide deck model. So I get to call Van's tomorrow and see what I need to do to return it. I guess I'll also see if they have any S-1-26s still sitting on the shelf. ARGGGHHHHHH. 
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 5:38 pm Post subject: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's |
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Maybe consider a pcu5000x instead mine has worked well on my narrow deck for years.
On Aug 31, 2016, at 6:21 PM, tsts4 <tsts4us(at)gmail.com (tsts4us(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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So if you have been following the MT prop gov saga, you are most likely aware that we established that the Hartzell gov for the 540 comes in two flavors:
S-1-26 for narrow decks
S-1-32 for wide decks
We also had established, or I thought we had, that Van's carried both but under the un-intuitive nomenclature in the catalog of O-540 and IO-540 (I say un-intuitive because the fuel delivery system has no bearing on the correct type of gov for a given engine). Any way, thus informed, I ordered the O-540 version under the impression I would get the S-1-26 narrow deck model.
Nope. The box had O-540 written on the outside but also a printed sticker that said S-1-32. My heart sank. I opened the box all the way up to verify ad sure enough it's an S-1-32 wide deck model. So I get to call Van's tomorrow and see what I need to do to return it. I guess I'll also see if they have any S-1-26s still sitting on the shelf. ARGGGHHHHHH.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's |
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| rv10flyer(at)live.com wrote: | Maybe consider a pcu5000x instead mine has worked well on my narrow deck for years.
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Thanks but it's not a brand/model issue, it's a I picked the wrong place to order the part from issue and now I've got more work to do. I'm just venting because I'm already frustrated with this whole thing and this wrong gov isn't helping.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:41 pm Post subject: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's |
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Clearly whomever makes the decision on what accessories to purchase has no understanding that there is a difference between what governors are needed for wide vs narrow deck, or they would have stocked and recommended the P-860-5 governor from the beginning, and the wide deck Hartzell, making the narrow deck models the exception.
-sent from the I-chip implanted in my forearm
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> Maybe consider a pcu5000x instead mine has worked well on my narrow deck for years.
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Thanks but it's not a brand/model issue, it's a I picked the wrong place to order the part from issue and now I've got more work to do. I'm just venting because I'm already frustrated with this whole thing and this wrong gov isn't helping.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:15 pm Post subject: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's |
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When I was making this decision, I spoke with the service guys at the largest prop shops in the country, and asked them, which governors do they "never" see for maintenance. They have a good perspective of how this stuff holds up years or hundreds or hours later. The feedback I got was they never see PCU governors, rock solid.
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Maybe consider a pcu5000x instead mine has worked well on my narrow deck for years.
On Aug 31, 2016, at 6:21 PM, tsts4 <tsts4us(at)gmail.com (tsts4us(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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So if you have been following the MT prop gov saga, you are most likely aware that we established that the Hartzell gov for the 540 comes in two flavors:
S-1-26 for narrow decks
S-1-32 for wide decks
We also had established, or I thought we had, that Van's carried both but under the un-intuitive nomenclature in the catalog of O-540 and IO-540 (I say un-intuitive because the fuel delivery system has no bearing on the correct type of gov for a given engine). Any way, thus informed, I ordered the O-540 version under the impression I would get the S-1-26 narrow deck model.
Nope. The box had O-540 written on the outside but also a printed sticker that said S-1-32. My heart sank. I opened the box all the way up to verify ad sure enough it's an S-1-32 wide deck model. So I get to call Van's tomorrow and see what I need to do to return it. I guess I'll also see if they have any S-1-26s still sitting on the shelf. ARGGGHHHHHH.
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I installed PCU-5000X governors on an RV-8A and RV-10. Flawless.
Carl
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Subject: Re: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's
When I was making this decision, I spoke with the service guys at the largest prop shops in the country, and asked them, which governors do they "never" see for maintenance. They have a good perspective of how this stuff holds up years or hundreds or hours later. The feedback I got was they never see PCU governors, rock solid.
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 6:31 PM, P Reid <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)> wrote:
Maybe consider a pcu5000x instead mine has worked well on my narrow deck for years.
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So if you have been following the MT prop gov saga, you are most likely aware that we established that the Hartzell gov for the 540 comes in two flavors:
S-1-26 for narrow decks
S-1-32 for wide decks
We also had established, or I thought we had, that Van's carried both but under the un-intuitive nomenclature in the catalog of O-540 and IO-540 (I say un-intuitive because the fuel delivery system has no bearing on the correct type of gov for a given engine). Any way, thus informed, I ordered the O-540 version under the impression I would get the S-1-26 narrow deck model.
Nope. The box had O-540 written on the outside but also a printed sticker that said S-1-32. My heart sank. I opened the box all the way up to verify ad sure enough it's an S-1-32 wide deck model. So I get to call Van's tomorrow and see what I need to do to return it. I guess I'll also see if they have any S-1-26s still sitting on the shelf. ARGGGHHHHHH.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:20 am Post subject: Re: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's |
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OK so I heard back from Vans and they don't have any Hartzell S-1-26s in stock so I'm back to square one. Since now I have to find a vendor I might as well explore the PCU-5000X since you guys so highly recommend it. So where did you guys get yours? I see that Spruce carries them but they don't always have the best price on things.
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I found a post on VAF where you could buy it with a coupon code
for us and get it for something like $1200.
Tim
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OK so I heard back from Vans and they don't have any Hartzell S-1-26s in stock so I'm back to square one. Since now I have to find a vendor I might as well explore the PCU-5000X since you guys so highly recommend it. So where did you guys get yours? I see that Spruce carries them but they don't always have the best price on things.
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RV-10 N728TT -- Grounded for engine teardown!!!!
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For those looking for an alternative governor, here is what I am using with my YIO-540-D4A5 and Hartzell Blended Airfoil. This was recommended to me by Gary Sobek.
PCU5000.COM
I purchased through:
Ameritech Industries dba American Propeller Service
Repair Station No. NO3R717L
20208 Charlanne Drive
Redding, CA 96002
Phone: (530) 221 4470
Fax: (530) 221 5210
Email: sales(at)ameritech-aviation.com (sales(at)ameritech-aviation.com)
Jeff Carpenter
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On Sep 1, 2016, at 10:20 AM, tsts4 wrote:
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OK so I heard back from Vans and they don't have any Hartzell S-1-26s in stock so I'm back to square one. Since now I have to find a vendor I might as well explore the PCU-5000X since you guys so highly recommend it. So where did you guys get yours? I see that Spruce carries them but they don't always have the best price on things.
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Todd Stovall
aka Auburntsts on EAA, AOPA, and VAF
RV-10 N728TT -- Grounded for engine teardown!!!!
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| Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: Hartzell Prop Gov from Van's |
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Todd,
I am trying really hard not to laugh, but considering all that has happened, it just seemed fitting and ironic.
Someday we all need to hook up at an airshow and have a good laugh.
BTW, when I was installing my A/C compressor, it didn't fit. It was only slightly off, but still didn't fit. Bill and I spent weeks trying to figure out the problem. I read him the model number right off of the box dropped sent from the warehouse in Texas. He confirmed it was right. We were down to considering trimming some cylinder fins to make it work. Turns out that the factory put an identically looking unit that was slightly larger in the wrong box.
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It looks like the MT governor was developed from the Jihostroj / PCU a while back. Looking at some pictures of the Hartzell internals the flyweights are one machined piece. The MT is welded. The welds failed. It might be worth a look how the PCU is made. If it's true that some kind of weird vibration is causing the problem a similarly constructed governor may also fail the same way.
