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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:24 am Post subject: Aftermarket suggestions- was Aeroled Aerosun VX

Holy cow!  This is on an RV-10?  If so I've never heard of that on

an RV-10 until now.  Can you verify that it was or wasn't?

Tim

On 9/2/2016 12:55 PM, Danny Riggs wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   That is not only just a problem with the windows from Van's. I got an

 improperly welded nose gear to nose strut. Probably done by one of their

 outside vendors. (I hope!)

 Landed on the mains and slowly lowered the nose. Nose wheel sheared off.

 Fortunately I had insurance as it cost $92k to repair. 😱

 I had a certified welder look at it and they said it was a cold weld to

 start with and too small of a fillet. It wasn't all bad as they let me

 do the repairs myself and I used the money I saved on labor to buy a

 Garmin 750 GPS.



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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:02 am Post subject: Aftermarket suggestions- was Aeroled Aerosun VX

I thought he was covering the SB for nose gear mount issue, Although I though Vic was the one that caught it. Is this different?



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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:11 am Post subject: Aftermarket suggestions- was Aeroled Aerosun VX

Yes it was on my -10.

First thing people say is, "Land it hard on the nose!"??

NOT! It was pretty obvious that it was a crappy weld. Fillet was too small and the heat didn't penetrate very well. 

The nose strut folded back under and came into the firewall just missing my foot by 1/4".

Went thru the tunnel taking out both electric fuel pumps and even cracked open the engine mounted fuel pump. Lucky I didn't have a big fire. Tore up the engine mount pretty well.

We couldn't find anybody in the greater south that would repair it. AIG then said they would let me repair it. It took about a year and a lot of hard work. The engine went back to Barrett (only had 38 hrs). The best thing I guess was a composite MT prop and an idling engine. 

Vans asked me to send the strut to them. They kinda hemmed and hawed around and I let it drop since AIG was being good to me.

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		   On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

 Holy cow!  This is on an RV-10?  If so I've never heard of that on

 an RV-10 until now.  Can you verify that it was or wasn't?

 Tim

> On 9/2/2016 12:55 PM, Danny Riggs wrote:

> That is not only just a problem with the windows from Van's. I got an

> improperly welded nose gear to nose strut. Probably done by one of their

> outside vendors. (I hope!)

> Landed on the mains and slowly lowered the nose. Nose wheel sheared off.

> Fortunately I had insurance as it cost $92k to repair. 😱

> I had a certified welder look at it and they said it was a cold weld to

> start with and too small of a fillet. It wasn't all bad as they let me

> do the repairs myself and I used the money I saved on labor to buy a

> Garmin 750 GPS.

> 

> Sent from my iPhone

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jdriggs49(at)MSN.COM
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:14 am Post subject: Aftermarket suggestions- was Aeroled Aerosun VX

Tim,

You landed at my airport in Tennessee (2M2)

For fuel while this was going on. But I missed you.



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 	  Quote: 	
		   On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 Holy cow!  This is on an RV-10?  If so I've never heard of that on

 an RV-10 until now.  Can you verify that it was or wasn't?

 Tim

 

 

> On 9/2/2016 12:55 PM, Danny Riggs wrote:

> That is not only just a problem with the windows from Van's. I got an

> improperly welded nose gear to nose strut. Probably done by one of their

> outside vendors. (I hope!)

> Landed on the mains and slowly lowered the nose. Nose wheel sheared off.

> Fortunately I had insurance as it cost $92k to repair. 😱

> I had a certified welder look at it and they said it was a cold weld to

> start with and too small of a fillet. It wasn't all bad as they let me

> do the repairs myself and I used the money I saved on labor to buy a

> Garmin 750 GPS.

> 

> Sent from my iPhone

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Tim Olson

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Posts: 2872

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:31 am Post subject: Aftermarket suggestions- was Aeroled Aerosun VX

Very interesting indeed! So the failure was up in where the strut 

connects to the shock doughnuts?  Or it was a weld down towards the

nose wheel?  I can picture the gear leg folding back under the plane

and that would only happen I'd think if it was up at the shock

mounts that it failed.  What a story!  Well, glad it came out for

you OK. I sure hope Van's looked fully into it and knows

if there is a chance it would affect anyone else.  With all the

parts powdercoated I don't know that any builder would ever find

such a defect until it broke.  And this is the first time I've heard

of such a failure.  I guess it's one people should be aware of

and we can track it as a group if it happens again.

Very cool that I stopped at your airport for fuel.  You just never

know who you'll meet.  I try to go where the fuel price is good. 

Tim

On 9/2/2016 2:11 PM, Danny Riggs wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Yes it was on my -10.

 First thing people say is, "Land it hard on the nose!"??

 NOT! It was pretty obvious that it was a crappy weld. Fillet was too small and the heat didn't penetrate very well.

 The nose strut folded back under and came into the firewall just missing my foot by 1/4".

 Went thru the tunnel taking out both electric fuel pumps and even cracked open the engine mounted fuel pump. Lucky I didn't have a big fire. Tore up the engine mount pretty well.

 We couldn't find anybody in the greater south that would repair it. AIG then said they would let me repair it. It took about a year and a lot of hard work. The engine went back to Barrett (only had 38 hrs). The best thing I guess was a composite MT prop and an idling engine.

 Vans asked me to send the strut to them. They kinda hemmed and hawed around and I let it drop since AIG was being good to me.

 Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

>

> 

>

> Holy cow!  This is on an RV-10?  If so I've never heard of that on

> an RV-10 until now.  Can you verify that it was or wasn't?

> Tim

>> On 9/2/2016 12:55 PM, Danny Riggs wrote:

>> That is not only just a problem with the windows from Van's. I got an

>> improperly welded nose gear to nose strut. Probably done by one of their

>> outside vendors. (I hope!)

>> Landed on the mains and slowly lowered the nose. Nose wheel sheared off.

>> Fortunately I had insurance as it cost $92k to repair. 😱

>> I had a certified welder look at it and they said it was a cold weld to

>> start with and too small of a fillet. It wasn't all bad as they let me

>> do the repairs myself and I used the money I saved on labor to buy a

>> Garmin 750 GPS.

>>

>> Sent from my iPhone

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jdriggs49(at)MSN.COM
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:16 pm Post subject: Aftermarket suggestions- was Aeroled Aerosun VX

No it broke where the nose gear strut is welded to the nose wheel. I always (still do) thought that it was a potentially weak spot mechanically speaking. I had to replace pretty everything back thru the firewall to the leading wing spar on the sides and bottom of the fuselage. 

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 	  Quote: 	
		   On Sep 2, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

 Very interesting indeed! So the failure was up in where the strut connects to the shock doughnuts?  Or it was a weld down towards the

 nose wheel?  I can picture the gear leg folding back under the plane

 and that would only happen I'd think if it was up at the shock

 mounts that it failed.  What a story!  Well, glad it came out for

 you OK. I sure hope Van's looked fully into it and knows

 if there is a chance it would affect anyone else.  With all the

 parts powdercoated I don't know that any builder would ever find

 such a defect until it broke.  And this is the first time I've heard

 of such a failure.  I guess it's one people should be aware of

 and we can track it as a group if it happens again.

 Very cool that I stopped at your airport for fuel.  You just never

 know who you'll meet.  I try to go where the fuel price is good. 

 Tim

> On 9/2/2016 2:11 PM, Danny Riggs wrote:

> 

> 

> Yes it was on my -10.

> First thing people say is, "Land it hard on the nose!"??

> NOT! It was pretty obvious that it was a crappy weld. Fillet was too small and the heat didn't penetrate very well.

> The nose strut folded back under and came into the firewall just missing my foot by 1/4".

> Went thru the tunnel taking out both electric fuel pumps and even cracked open the engine mounted fuel pump. Lucky I didn't have a big fire. Tore up the engine mount pretty well.

> We couldn't find anybody in the greater south that would repair it. AIG then said they would let me repair it. It took about a year and a lot of hard work. The engine went back to Barrett (only had 38 hrs). The best thing I guess was a composite MT prop and an idling engine.

> Vans asked me to send the strut to them. They kinda hemmed and hawed around and I let it drop since AIG was being good to me.

> 

> Sent from my iPhone

> 

>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Holy cow!  This is on an RV-10?  If so I've never heard of that on

>> an RV-10 until now.  Can you verify that it was or wasn't?

>> Tim

>> 

>> 

>>> On 9/2/2016 12:55 PM, Danny Riggs wrote:

>>> That is not only just a problem with the windows from Van's. I got an

>>> improperly welded nose gear to nose strut. Probably done by one of their

>>> outside vendors. (I hope!)

>>> Landed on the mains and slowly lowered the nose. Nose wheel sheared off.

>>> Fortunately I had insurance as it cost $92k to repair. 😱

>>> I had a certified welder look at it and they said it was a cold weld to

>>> start with and too small of a fillet. It wasn't all bad as they let me

>>> do the repairs myself and I used the money I saved on labor to buy a

>>> Garmin 750 GPS.

>>> 

>>> Sent from my iPhone

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