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jhstarn(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:52 pm Post subject: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol

BUT  TOM: Ya left off the proper taxi wheel location and which primer to use 

or not to use at all.

Sorry folks, he got away from me this morning as I went to Costco. BUT for 

those of you that have been on the list for a while, ya'll know that if it's 

wrong it's my FAULT.   Do Not Archive  KABONG  8*)



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jpl(at)showpage.org
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol

You mean, the plans in the rain forests?



Hmm.  What rain forests?  All I see is farmland.



-J



On Jul 9, 2006, at 2:33 PM, Ron Lee wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 Nothing personal but anyone who touts the "global warming" crisis

 and does not take into account the natural variation in Earth's  

 temperature

 is not credible.  Besides, don't plant consume CO2?



 Ron Lee



 Do not archive

lors01(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  God that was good Gummo!  Laughed so hard I pissed in my flight  suit.  (This is the RV-list)

  

 Tracy Crook

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dmaib@me.com

Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 455
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:21 pm Post subject: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol

Thank you Tom Gummo!!



do not archive

On Jul 9, 2006, at 3:58 PM, Tom Gummo wrote:






I tried to stay out of this BUT ...



First, I am over 55+ old.



Second, I am a trained Chemist and Computer Scientists.  (Subjects  

with my masters degrees)

I also built a Harmon Rocket. (This is the RV-List)

I teach chemistry, math and computer science at two local colleges.

After reading tons of stuff on the subject, I realize that I KNOW  

NOTHING ABOUT IT.



I really think that scientists are in two camps: the first is the  

side that is paying them (Follow the money, just like several people  

have stated) and others are in the side that will get them money.  If  

there is NO problem, there is NO money.  If you can make it look like  

there is a problem, money will be thrown at you.  Why is it in the  

newspapers, No problem - NO NEWS. Problem - BIG NEWS.  You only  

really hear from the "Problem" folks.



The other two camps are metal planes verse plastic ones (this is the  

RV-List).



Why do I bring up my age:  in the 60's and 70's and maybe even the  

early 80's.  All I heard was about global cooling and the coming ice  

age.  Now scientists using the SAME DATA are telling us that it is  

global warning. The book the "Population Bomb" stated that we would  

be living shoulder to shoulder by now.  Funny, I don't hear anything  

about it anymore.  The OZONE hole got bigger and smaller without any  

help from mankind in the past.



What about constant speed props compared to fix pitch (this is the RV- 

list).



If the earth is getting warmer, could it be the sun is getting  

hotter.  Look it up, the sun goes through cycles too and we are in a  

period where it is hotter.  If that is the case, could it the sun and  

have nothing to do with mankind that there maybe a world wide  

temperature change.



What about tandem verse side by side seating (this is the RV-List).



What about the fact, that the earth has had several ice ages.  That  

means it got cold then it got warn then it got cold and then it got  

warm ....  Once again, mankind wasn't able to change the cycle or  

better yet create one.



But Van can and does produce a great series of kits (This is the RV- 

List).



Take another case, what if it was a good idea to melt all the polar  

ice.  Go find a scientist that could find a way to do it.  CAN'T BE  

DONE with current technology.  So why do you think my car and plane  

will do it?



AOA, required or just a nice toy (This is the RV-List).



IS THERE A PROBLEM?: MAYBE.  Should we try to be NICER to the planet:  

YOU BET.

But anybody who claims to know is full of sh_t.

Of course, this is just one slightly educated man's opinion, who also  

built a Harmon Rocket (This is the RV-List).



What next:

Abortion - Pro-Life

Tax Cuts for the Rich

War - Antiwar

that list is too long.



I am too old to be climbing on and off the soapbox.    If you  

clearly want to take exception to anything I wrote, PLEASE email  

directly.  As most likely, I will be deleting any more emails on this  

subject on the RV-List without reading them.



Can we talk about flying or building RVs again?  I even have some fun  

F-4 stories that would be closer to the subject of this mailing list  

than this rubbish.   (OF COURSE, THIS IS THE RV-LIST).

Tom Gummo

Apple Valley, CA

Harmon Rocket-II



do not archive



http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html





www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List

wiki.matronics.com

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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
New Smyrna Beach, FL

stan.jones(at)xtra.co.nz
Guest

Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 9:16 pm Post subject: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol

Good on you Tom. I have been deleting them unread for days.

 Atan 

  

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seiders(at)bellsouth.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:56 am Post subject: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol

The RV list has degenerated into a BS Chat Room, but there is still 

occasionally an interesting question or comment about RV building/flying. 

One just has to be selective and avoid reading the drivel that seems to 

amuse many.

Dick RV6A





At 11:18 PM 7/9/2006, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  



Thank you Tom Gummo!!



do not archive

On Jul 9, 2006, at 3:58 PM, Tom Gummo wrote:






I tried to stay out of this BUT ...



First, I am over 55+ old.



Second, I am a trained Chemist and Computer Scientists.  (Subjects

with my masters degrees)

I also built a Harmon Rocket. (This is the RV-List)

I teach chemistry, math and computer science at two local colleges.

After reading tons of stuff on the subject, I realize that I KNOW

NOTHING ABOUT IT.



I really think that scientists are in two camps: the first is the

side that is paying them (Follow the money, just like several people

have stated) and others are in the side that will get them money.  If

there is NO problem, there is NO money.  If you can make it look like

there is a problem, money will be thrown at you.  Why is it in the

newspapers, No problem - NO NEWS. Problem - BIG NEWS.  You only

really hear from the "Problem" folks.



The other two camps are metal planes verse plastic ones (this is the

RV-List).



Why do I bring up my age:  in the 60's and 70's and maybe even the

early 80's.  All I heard was about global cooling and the coming ice

age.  Now scientists using the SAME DATA are telling us that it is

global warning. The book the "Population Bomb" stated that we would

be living shoulder to shoulder by now.  Funny, I don't hear anything

about it anymore.  The OZONE hole got bigger and smaller without any

help from mankind in the past.



What about constant speed props compared to fix pitch (this is the RV- list).



If the earth is getting warmer, could it be the sun is getting

hotter.  Look it up, the sun goes through cycles too and we are in a

period where it is hotter.  If that is the case, could it the sun and

have nothing to do with mankind that there maybe a world wide

temperature change.



What about tandem verse side by side seating (this is the RV-List).



What about the fact, that the earth has had several ice ages.  That

means it got cold then it got warn then it got cold and then it got

warm ....  Once again, mankind wasn't able to change the cycle or

better yet create one.



But Van can and does produce a great series of kits (This is the RV- List).



Take another case, what if it was a good idea to melt all the polar

ice.  Go find a scientist that could find a way to do it.  CAN'T BE

DONE with current technology.  So why do you think my car and plane

will do it?



AOA, required or just a nice toy (This is the RV-List).



IS THERE A PROBLEM?: MAYBE.  Should we try to be NICER to the planet:

YOU BET.

But anybody who claims to know is full of sh_t.

Of course, this is just one slightly educated man's opinion, who also

built a Harmon Rocket (This is the RV-List).



What next:

Abortion - Pro-Life

Tax Cuts for the Rich

War - Antiwar

that list is too long.



I am too old to be climbing on and off the soapbox.    If you

clearly want to take exception to anything I wrote, PLEASE email

directly.  As most likely, I will be deleting any more emails on this

subject on the RV-List without reading them.



Can we talk about flying or building RVs again?  I even have some fun

F-4 stories that would be closer to the subject of this mailing list

than this rubbish.   (OF COURSE, THIS IS THE RV-LIST).

Tom Gummo

Apple Valley, CA

Harmon Rocket-II



do not archive



http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html





www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List

wiki.matronics.com

low pass

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 32
Location: Houston

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:01 am Post subject: Re: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol

 	  Quote: 	
		  The RV list has degenerated into a BS Chat Room, but there is still 

occasionally an interesting question or comment about RV building/flying. 

One just has to be selective and avoid reading the drivel that seems to 

amuse many. 

Dick RV6A 	
Do you talk strictly technical at the hangar?  sounds almost as boring as flying a tricycle gear plane!    



Yep, there's a lot of emotional rant happening here.  And no, it's not a building issue.  But it is guaranteed to affect every one of us who enjoy burning hydrocarbons in their internal combustion engine in order to fly our little planes.  



Algore (making money) is using his misguided supporters to halt the use of CO2 emitting processes (i.e., powered flight).  This will happen either through direct legislation or by indirectly jacking up the price to a point where 95% of us cannot afford to fly.



This thread isn't just a silly little political or emotional rant.  It's about seeing the end of recreational flying.  You support Algore and his type, you have no place flying powered GA.  Well, not without contradicting yourself.  Sorry to be so harsh, but I take real offense at these misguided actions destroying my freedom to fly.

Bob Collins

Joined: 11 Mar 2006
Posts: 470
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:46 am Post subject: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol

C'mon folks. Let's remember the #1 rule. Politics and religion.



Let's move on. There'll be no converts and just wasted bandwidth.



(Required RV content) Mating the wings today.

Bob

St. Paul



Definitely

Do Not Archive

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Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
Letters from Flyover Country
http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/

tedd(at)vansairforce.org
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:13 am Post subject: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol

 	  Quote: 	
		   Let's move on. There'll be no converts and just wasted bandwidth.


	


Bob:



With respect, I couldn't disagree more.  I haven't participated in the

discussion at all, but I've found the ideas presented helpful.  Sure, sometimes

people express themselves badly.  But there's still value in the discussion,

and we shouldn't forget that a lot more people are reading what is said than

are contributing themselves.



As someone pointed out, this is something that will affect all of us who fly,

so it needs to be discussed.



Tedd McHenry

Surrey, BC

klwerner(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:37 am Post subject: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol

Re:  .....so it needs to be  discussed.....

  

 Maybe it does, maybe it  doesn't....  /  So how  about we do that on an FOSSIL ENERGY FOR AVIATORS type List instead of the Vans  RV-(specific)-List.

  

 All it would take is the originator  of a post to make a mention on the RV-List for everyone interested to feel  free to check out his/her news about fossil fuel issues. .  .

  

 There you have it, ..whoever cares  can educated themselves on that subject without clogging the RV-List for  days!!!

  

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cecilth(at)juno.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:39 pm Post subject: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol

I agree with this post. But another thought came to mind.

Remember all that oil in Alaska? How do you think it got there?  

My understanding is that the big animals and tropical stuff made it.

Then all we need is a big object from outer space put an end to the

discussion.

Sure glad Gore isn't president.

Cecil

On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 15:10:14 -0600 "Olen Goodwin" <ogoodwin(at)comcast.net>

writes:

[quote] 

 

 So...are you saying there is no natural fluctuation of the earth's 

 climate? 

 The Sahara was farm country a few thousand years ago and turned 

 desert way 

 before the machine age, and even before the human population 

 explosion 

 occurred.  What about the redwood cones found above the arctic 

 circle?  I 

 don't say emissions of various kinds have NO effect, but how can the 

 events 

 (volcanic and otherwise) that produce far more CO2 than decades of 

 man made 

 emissions be discounted?  I'm curious also how we can presume to 

 know the 

 average temperature of a point on the earth's surface when records 

 have been 

 kept for only a hundred years or so.  Is it the same kind of science 

 that 

 can build a complete culture from a couple of knife points and a 

 molar?

 

 No offense, but it seems the science that's out there is pretty 

 selectively 

 chosen by the supporters of the current global warming theory.  

 There's lots 

 that point the other way, too.

 

 The people pushing the global warming theory aren't exactly 

 operating out of 

 the back of a VW bus, either.  There's plenty of money on both sides 

 and 

 people on both sides making a living advocating their particular 

 position.

 

 ---

Vanremog(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol

In a message dated 7/10/2006 8:10:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  rv_8pilot(at)hotmail.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  You    support Algore and his type, you have no place flying powered GA.  Well,    not without contradicting yourself. 	


 

 ===============================

  

 This must be true, since I personally have never heard or seen  any flip-flopping come at me from the right (he said  facetiously).   

 GV (RV-6A  N1GV O-360-A1A, C/S, Flying 801hrs, Silicon Valley, CA)

bicyclop(at)pacbell.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:30 am Post subject: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol

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rv3a.1(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:42 am Post subject: Fossil energy fuel to produce ethanol

I just love the morons that push electric 

vehicles as a zero emissions vehicle.  Just because they don't have a 

tail pipe doesn't mean they create no emissions.  The emissions are just 

displaced to where ever the electricity is generated to charge their 

batteries.  



do not archive

-- 

Chris W

KE5GIX

-----------------------------------------------------



Dear Chris,



Think....



SOLAR PANELS.  



- No moron Bob -

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