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victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:50 pm Post subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

If I had not lost my camera, there would be photos attached to this post 



I have more or less finalized the layout and design for mounting my HKS engine on the Firestar. Thanks to two fellow EAA chapter members, I have the engine mounting plate cut, shaped, de-burred, lightened, and semi-smoothed. The engine mount plate is semi-permanently mounted on the Kolb airframe Lord mounts. Putting the correct length bolts in and installing the self-lock nuts instead of the "shop work" plain nuts is the last step.



The 3/8" aluminum engine mount plate was designed with a "wing-shaped" extension on the starboard forward corner to serve as the rear mounting for the oil cooler. After much head-scratching and "staring at it", the final position of the oi l cooler was determined, and a rear mounting bracket was fabricated from three pieces of aerospace surplus 2024-T3 extruded angle and ( AN470AD4 rivets. Since the rear of the cooler is mounted on something that moves, the forward mounting had to provide enough "compliance" movement on all three axes. The forward mount is a standoff with a single central pivot bolt that is retained through two rubber grommets. This standoff mount is attached to the spar carry-through using modified rubber-padded Adel clamps. This flexible mount arrangement prevents the oil cooler itself from flexing, keeps the front of the cooler attached securely to the airframe, but allows movement in any direction and rotational movement on the bolt axis. 



The oil cooler is about 1.5 x 4 x 13 inches, and mounts lengthwise just inboard of the starboard wing root. The top surface of the cooler is flush with the top of the wing. Ram air will be fed to the cooler from a scoop on the underside of the center section wing cover, travel upwards through the cooler, and exit into the lower pressure airflow above the wing. Because the cooler is located a foot behind the thickest point of the airfoil the "low pressure" area above the wing is not 100% ideal, but it will still be far lower ambient pressure than the underside of the wing. In order to have more of a pressure drop across the cooler, I would have needed to move the cooler forward near the wing leading edge, and this would require a more complex and heavier cantilever mounting system.



The engine has been mounted onto the engine mount plate more or less permanently. I went from 1 inch risers  under the engine to 2 inch risers. I believe this is how Larry C's engine is mounted. Because I didn't want to raise the engine any higher, there was still a difficult interference problem with the aileron torque tubes and the exhaust pipes. I decided to use the system shown recently on the photographs that were posted on the List.... a Y shaped exhaust with the pipes coming inboard from the cylinders, meeting under the engine, and the main muffler or exhaust pipe traveling vertically down the rear of the steel cage.



The large (dry sump) oil tank was another vexing problem that was finally (FINALLY!) resolved to my satisfaction after weeks of head-scratching. A small weldment consisting of two "half-pipe" pieces of steel tube crossed at 90 degrees will allow the tank to mount directly to the Kolb keel tube, keeping it out of the fuel and baggage areas and keeping the oil lines shorter/lighter. This weldment will use large screw type "hose clamps" to hold the tank to the mount,and the mount to the airframe. The HKS installation manual specifies a limited range of "height" where the oil tank can be mounted. Too high above the oil pump and it will flood or drown the oil pump, too low will make the oil pump work too hard to lift the oil out of the tank.



While waiting for this oil tank mount to be "finish-welded", I have started on designing and fabricating the ignition component mounting plate, which will be Adel clamped to the keel tube and the port side steel spar carry-through structure.This will keep the ignition coils, electronic controllers, etc.close to the engine and keep it out of the fuel and baggage areas.



The repairs to the cockpit longerons (bending them back straight), and the structural doublers to the wing spar pin attach lugs have been completed. Only a couple of squirts of Zinc Chromate on the spar root main doubler plates remain. After that all of the crash damage will have been repaired.



Progress is agonizingly slow. But I'm trying to do things right, and extra safe.



Bill Berle

www.ezflaphandle.com  - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft

www.grantstar.net           - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 12/12/16, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote:



 Subject: RE: Re: Kolb Sighting in Florida...well, kinda

 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Monday, December 12, 2016, 2:05 PM

 

 Wendy:  Sorry to hear about

 Patrick.  I wish him well and will keep him in my

 prayers.  Patrick and I go back a long

 way.  He flew with a radio that had flown to Alaska in

 my MKIII.  We met at Monument Valley about 2008. 

 I have a photo of Patrick, John Williamson, and me, standing

 on the parking pad at MV airstrip.  I found and

 attached the photo.  I am going to miss

 Patrick's banter on the Kolb List.  I know Larry

 Cottrell will miss Patrick's video/audio coaching. 

   Take care my

 friend.  john hmkIIITitus, Alabama  From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com

 [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf

 Of Patrick Ladd

 Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 10:38 AM

 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Kolb Sighting in

 Florida...well, kinda  Dear JohnI

 have picked up your email on Pat's computer.  I am

 sorry to tell you that Pat is terminally ill and is now in a

 nearby nursing home permanently.I

 am so sorry to be the bearer of such sad news.  He has

 always enjoyed his association with the Kolb

 List.I would be grateful if you could

 circulate the list for me as I am unsure how to do

 this.Both Pat and I have fond memories

 of meeting you and the others in Monument Valley a few years

 ago.All the best to you

 allWendy

 Ladd

Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1670
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

Anybody who can afford an HKS and do all that stuff can afford a camera; so - pictures or you are making it all up. 

JUST KIDDING!

Seriously, looking forward to pictures.

Merry Christmas, keep up the good work.

_________________
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0

Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.

rowedenny

Joined: 09 Mar 2008
Posts: 338
Location: Western PA

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:14 pm Post subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

If I understand this correctly, you mounted your oil cooler to the engine base plate which is setting on Lord mounts, and also to the rear spar carry through?

Sounds sketchy at best, I'd let the oil hoses do the flexing and mount the cooler to the airframe only, away from the shaking engine.

Dennis Rowe

Mk3 Rotax 670



 	  Quote: 	
		   On Dec 12, 2016, at 6:50 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 

 

 

 If I had not lost my camera, there would be photos attached to this post 

 

 I have more or less finalized the layout and design for mounting my HKS engine on the Firestar. Thanks to two fellow EAA chapter members, I have the engine mounting plate cut, shaped, de-burred, lightened, and semi-smoothed. The engine mount plate is semi-permanently mounted on the Kolb airframe Lord mounts. Putting the correct length bolts in and installing the self-lock nuts instead of the "shop work" plain nuts is the last step.

 

 The 3/8" aluminum engine mount plate was designed with a "wing-shaped" extension on the starboard forward corner to serve as the rear mounting for the oil cooler. After much head-scratching and "staring at it", the final position of the oi l cooler was determined, and a rear mounting bracket was fabricated from three pieces of aerospace surplus 2024-T3 extruded angle and ( AN470AD4 rivets. Since the rear of the cooler is mounted on something that moves, the forward mounting had to provide enough "compliance" movement on all three axes. The forward mount is a standoff with a single central pivot bolt that is retained through two rubber grommets. This standoff mount is attached to the spar carry-through using modified rubber-padded Adel clamps. This flexible mount arrangement prevents the oil cooler itself from flexing, keeps the front of the cooler attached securely to the airframe, but allows movement in any direction and rotational movement on the bolt axis. 

 

 The oil cooler is about 1.5 x 4 x 13 inches, and mounts lengthwise just inboard of the starboard wing root. The top surface of the cooler is flush with the top of the wing. Ram air will be fed to the cooler from a scoop on the underside of the center section wing cover, travel upwards through the cooler, and exit into the lower pressure airflow above the wing. Because the cooler is located a foot behind the thickest point of the airfoil the "low pressure" area above the wing is not 100% ideal, but it will still be far lower ambient pressure than the underside of the wing. In order to have more of a pressure drop across the cooler, I would have needed to move the cooler forward near the wing leading edge, and this would require a more complex and heavier cantilever mounting system.

 

 The engine has been mounted onto the engine mount plate more or less permanently. I went from 1 inch risers  under the engine to 2 inch risers. I believe this is how Larry C's engine is mounted. Because I didn't want to raise the engine any higher, there was still a difficult interference problem with the aileron torque tubes and the exhaust pipes. I decided to use the system shown recently on the photographs that were posted on the List.... a Y shaped exhaust with the pipes coming inboard from the cylinders, meeting under the engine, and the main muffler or exhaust pipe traveling vertically down the rear of the steel cage.

 

 The large (dry sump) oil tank was another vexing problem that was finally (FINALLY!) resolved to my satisfaction after weeks of head-scratching. A small weldment consisting of two "half-pipe" pieces of steel tube crossed at 90 degrees will allow the tank to mount directly to the Kolb keel tube, keeping it out of the fuel and baggage areas and keeping the oil lines shorter/lighter. This weldment will use large screw type "hose clamps" to hold the tank to the mount,and the mount to the airframe. The HKS installation manual specifies a limited range of "height" where the oil tank can be mounted. Too high above the oil pump and it will flood or drown the oil pump, too low will make the oil pump work too hard to lift the oil out of the tank.

 

 While waiting for this oil tank mount to be "finish-welded", I have started on designing and fabricating the ignition component mounting plate, which will be Adel clamped to the keel tube and the port side steel spar carry-through structure.This will keep the ignition coils, electronic controllers, etc.close to the engine and keep it out of the fuel and baggage areas.

 

 The repairs to the cockpit longerons (bending them back straight), and the structural doublers to the wing spar pin attach lugs have been completed. Only a couple of squirts of Zinc Chromate on the spar root main doubler plates remain. After that all of the crash damage will have been repaired.

 

 Progress is agonizingly slow. But I'm trying to do things right, and extra safe.

 

 

 

 

 

 Bill Berle

 www.ezflaphandle.com  - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft

 www.grantstar.net           - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities

 

 --------------------------------------------

 On Mon, 12/12/16, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote:

 

 Subject: RE: Re: Kolb Sighting in Florida...well, kinda

 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Monday, December 12, 2016, 2:05 PM

 

 Wendy:  Sorry to hear about

 Patrick.  I wish him well and will keep him in my

 prayers.  Patrick and I go back a long

 way.  He flew with a radio that had flown to Alaska in

 my MKIII.  We met at Monument Valley about 2008. 

 I have a photo of Patrick, John Williamson, and me, standing

 on the parking pad at MV airstrip.  I found and

 attached the photo.  I am going to miss

 Patrick's banter on the Kolb List.  I know Larry

 Cottrell will miss Patrick's video/audio coaching. 

   Take care my

 friend.  john hmkIIITitus, Alabama  From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com

 [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf

 Of Patrick Ladd

 Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 10:38 AM

 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Kolb Sighting in

 Florida...well, kinda  Dear JohnI

 have picked up your email on Pat's computer.  I am

 sorry to tell you that Pat is terminally ill and is now in a

 nearby nursing home permanently.I

 am so sorry to be the bearer of such sad news.  He has

 always enjoyed his association with the Kolb

 List.I would be grateful if you could

 circulate the list for me as I am unsure how to do

 this.Both Pat and I have fond memories

 of meeting you and the others in Monument Valley a few years

 ago.All the best to you

 allWendy

 Ladd

victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.
Guest

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:49 pm Post subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

That's not quite correct Dennis, I mounted the rear of the oil cooler to the engine mount plate, and the front of the oil cooler to the forward (main) spar carry-trough tube. The front mount has rubber grommets and a pivot bolt, to prevent the cooler from flexing, twisting, or bending. Essentially this design creates a movable mount that is clamped to a fixed part of the airframe.



Tonight after work the oil tank mount gets finish-welded and hopefully painted, and mounted to the airframe..



Bill Berle

www.ezflaphandle.com  - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft

www.grantstar.net           - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities



--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 12/15/16, Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net> wrote:



 Subject: Re: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Thursday, December 15, 2016, 2:13 PM

 

 

 Dennis Rowe <rowedenny(at)windstream.net>

 

 If I understand this correctly, you mounted your oil cooler

 to the engine base plate which is setting on Lord mounts,

 and also to the rear spar carry through?

 Sounds sketchy at best, I'd let the oil hoses do the flexing

 and mount the cooler to the airframe only, away from the

 shaking engine.

 

 

 Dennis Rowe

 Mk3 Rotax 670

 

 > On Dec 12, 2016, at 6:50 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>

 wrote:

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > If I had not lost my camera, there would be photos

 attached to this post 

 > 

 > I have more or less finalized the layout and design for

 mounting my HKS engine on the Firestar. Thanks to two fellow

 EAA chapter members, I have the engine mounting plate cut,

 shaped, de-burred, lightened, and semi-smoothed. The engine

 mount plate is semi-permanently mounted on the Kolb airframe

 Lord mounts. Putting the correct length bolts in and

 installing the self-lock nuts instead of the "shop work"

 plain nuts is the last step.

 > 

 > The 3/8" aluminum engine mount plate was designed with

 a "wing-shaped" extension on the starboard forward corner to

 serve as the rear mounting for the oil cooler. After much

 head-scratching and "staring at it", the final position of

 the oi l cooler was determined, and a rear mounting bracket

 was fabricated from three pieces of aerospace surplus

 2024-T3 extruded angle and ( AN470AD4 rivets. Since the

 rear of the cooler is mounted on something that moves, the

 forward mounting had to provide enough "compliance" movement

 on all three axes. The forward mount is a standoff with a

 single central pivot bolt that is retained through two

 rubber grommets. This standoff mount is attached to the spar

 carry-through using modified rubber-padded Adel clamps. This

 flexible mount arrangement prevents the oil cooler itself

 from flexing, keeps the front of the cooler attached

 securely to the airframe, but allows movement in any

 direction and rotational movement on the bolt axis. 

 > 

 > The oil cooler is about 1.5 x 4 x 13 inches, and mounts

 lengthwise just inboard of the starboard wing root. The top

 surface of the cooler is flush with the top of the wing. Ram

 air will be fed to the cooler from a scoop on the underside

 of the center section wing cover, travel upwards through the

 cooler, and exit into the lower pressure airflow above the

 wing. Because the cooler is located a foot behind the

 thickest point of the airfoil the "low pressure" area above

 the wing is not 100% ideal, but it will still be far lower

 ambient pressure than the underside of the wing. In order to

 have more of a pressure drop across the cooler, I would have

 needed to move the cooler forward near the wing leading

 edge, and this would require a more complex and heavier

 cantilever mounting system.

 > 

 > The engine has been mounted onto the engine mount plate

 more or less permanently. I went from 1 inch risers 

 under the engine to 2 inch risers. I believe this is how

 Larry C's engine is mounted. Because I didn't want to raise

 the engine any higher, there was still a difficult

 interference problem with the aileron torque tubes and the

 exhaust pipes. I decided to use the system shown recently on

 the photographs that were posted on the List.... a Y shaped

 exhaust with the pipes coming inboard from the cylinders,

 meeting under the engine, and the main muffler or exhaust

 pipe traveling vertically down the rear of the steel cage.

 > 

 > The large (dry sump) oil tank was another vexing

 problem that was finally (FINALLY!) resolved to my

 satisfaction after weeks of head-scratching. A small

 weldment consisting of two "half-pipe" pieces of steel tube

 crossed at 90 degrees will allow the tank to mount directly

 to the Kolb keel tube, keeping it out of the fuel and

 baggage areas and keeping the oil lines shorter/lighter.

 This weldment will use large screw type "hose clamps" to

 hold the tank to the mount,and the mount to the airframe.

 The HKS installation manual specifies a limited range of

 "height" where the oil tank can be mounted. Too high above

 the oil pump and it will flood or drown the oil pump, too

 low will make the oil pump work too hard to lift the oil out

 of the tank.

 > 

 > While waiting for this oil tank mount to be

 "finish-welded", I have started on designing and fabricating

 the ignition component mounting plate, which will be Adel

 clamped to the keel tube and the port side steel spar

 carry-through structure.This will keep the ignition coils,

 electronic controllers, etc.close to the engine and keep it

 out of the fuel and baggage areas.

 > 

 > The repairs to the cockpit longerons (bending them back

 straight), and the structural doublers to the wing spar pin

 attach lugs have been completed. Only a couple of squirts of

 Zinc Chromate on the spar root main doubler plates remain.

 After that all of the crash damage will have been repaired.

 > 

 > Progress is agonizingly slow. But I'm trying to do

 things right, and extra safe.

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > Bill Berle

 > www.ezflaphandle.com  - safety & performance

 upgrade for light aircraft

 > www.grantstar.net       

    - winning proposals for non-profit and

 for-profit entities

 > 

 > --------------------------------------------

 > On Mon, 12/12/16, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>

 wrote:

 > 

 > Subject: RE: Re: Kolb Sighting in

 Florida...well, kinda

 > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

 > Date: Monday, December 12, 2016, 2:05 PM

 > 

 > Wendy:  Sorry to hear about

 > Patrick.  I wish him well and will keep him in my

 > prayers.  Patrick and I go back a long

 > way.  He flew with a radio that had flown to

 Alaska in

 > my MKIII.  We met at Monument Valley about 2008. 

 > I have a photo of Patrick, John Williamson, and me,

 standing

 > on the parking pad at MV airstrip.  I found and

 > attached the photo.  I am going to miss

 > Patrick's banter on the Kolb List.  I know Larry

 > Cottrell will miss Patrick's video/audio coaching. 

 >   Take care my

 > friend.  john hmkIIITitus, Alabama  From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com

 > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com]

 On Behalf

 > Of Patrick Ladd

 > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 10:38 AM

 > To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

 > Subject: Re: Re: Kolb Sighting in

 > Florida...well, kinda  Dear JohnI

 > have picked up your email on Pat's computer.  I

 am

 > sorry to tell you that Pat is terminally ill and is now

 in a

 > nearby nursing home permanently.I

 > am so sorry to be the bearer of such sad news.  He

 has

 > always enjoyed his association with the Kolb

 > List.I would be grateful if you could

 > circulate the list for me as I am unsure how to do

 > this.Both Pat and I have fond memories

 > of meeting you and the others in Monument Valley a few

 years

 > ago.All the best to you

 > allWendy

 > Ladd

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 > 

 

 

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:22 pm Post subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

Recommend mounting cooler to airframe with shock mounts.  I used 4 each 582 radiator shock mounts to hang my coolers, coolant and oil, piggy backed, from the rear of the fuselage.



My experience mounting accessories to the engine resulted in severe vibration fatigue.



I have my doubts the way you are mounting your cooler, engine mount and rubber grommets to the airframe.



If you decide to go that route, and I think you have, let us know how it works out after a 100 hours or so.



john h

mkIII

Titus, Al



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MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1670
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

OK, your first post was 3 days ago and you still don't have any pictures and my feeble mind is having trouble figuring out just exactly what it is you are doing.

Do we need to take up a collection and buy you a camera, so you can post pictures? (Appropriately resized of course)  



And I say this with a clear conscience, because I spent Monday and Tuesday finishing up the brake disc mounts/spacers for the FF wheels, and yesterday I finished welding up the aileron linkage and lower cage tubes, took pictures, and sent them to my partner for his approval, and have already heard back.



C'mon you slacker, post some pictures!

_________________
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0

Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.

west1m

Joined: 19 Apr 2014
Posts: 155
Location: Hastings, MN

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:28 am Post subject: Re: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

OK , So... why don't we get any pictures?

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West1m
Hastings, MN

victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:35 pm Post subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

John H and Kolbers,



I realize full well that the oil cooler installation I described is "outside the box" and not common. You will have to trust me that I did NOT do it this way just to be a smart aleck (although I'm usually guilty of that too).



My first idea with the cooler was exactly as John H described... vertically mounted at the rear of the fuselage cage. Would have been easy-peasy. But this created two problems. First it would require longer oil hoses to go back and forth between the cooler and the engine AND the oil tank. The HKS manual specifically suggests keeping the oil lines short. Second, the exhaust will be running through that same area right behind the cage. I wanted to keep any oil leakage or seeping from the cooler away from exhaust components for fire safety. More importantly, mounting the exhaust system directly behind the cooler would impede the outflow of air through the cooler, reducing the effectiveness of the cooler.



Nothing would have made me happier than being able to mount the cooler to the airframe only. But the engine mounting structure/configuration of the Kolb was done with the Rotax 2 stroke engine in mind, and adapting another entire class of engine to it creates all sorts of problems. 



Another recent poster (and a whole lot of previous posts)  was 100% right... leaving the 447 on it would have been much easier. But I have a good reason to want a 4 stroke engine, and I have to put my nose to the grindstone and do what it takes to do things right.

Bill Berle

www.ezflaphandle.com  - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft

www.grantstar.net           - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:49 pm Post subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

I don't know that I fully understand the way you have mounted the oil cooler.  How about posting some photos.



john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama



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_________________
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MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:00 pm Post subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

Yeah, I figure I owe the group some photos after getting everyone all riled up again 



I will borrow a camera Saturday if I can't find mine.



Bill Berle

www.ezflaphandle.com  - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft

www.grantstar.net           - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities



--------------------------------------------

On Fri, 12/16/16, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote:



 Subject: RE: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Friday, December 16, 2016, 1:49 PM

 

 

 "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com>

 

 I don't know that I fully understand the way you have

 mounted the oil cooler.  How about posting some

 photos.

 

 john h

 mkIII

 Titus, Alabama

 

 

 

 --

victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:51 pm Post subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

Trying like hell to attach photos as prmoised.... my e-mail posting keeps getting rejected.



Bill Berle

www.ezflaphandle.com  - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft

www.grantstar.net           - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities

Herbgh(at)nctc.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:45 am Post subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

Bill



   A suggestion...I use Photobucket... Its a web site where you can post 

your pictures for free...and there seems to be no problem with picture 

size...



    With that, all you need to do is post the link here buy doing a copy 

and paste...Herb

On 12/19/2016 12:46 AM, Bill Berle wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Trying like hell to attach photos as prmoised.... my e-mail posting keeps getting rejected.



 Bill Berle

 www.ezflaphandle.com  - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft

 www.grantstar.net           - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities




	


-- 

"Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny."



Aristotle



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Herbgh(at)nctc.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:55 am Post subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

Bill



   Here is my example...Herb



http://s1248.photobucket.com/user/herbgh/library/?sort=3&page=1



On 12/19/2016 12:46 AM, Bill Berle wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Trying like hell to attach photos as prmoised.... my e-mail posting keeps getting rejected.



 Bill Berle

 www.ezflaphandle.com  - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft

 www.grantstar.net           - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities




	


-- 

"Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny."



Aristotle



"Daddy, tell me...why are you going to the pig farm for a reeducation and what does it mean "A basket of deplorables"? "Are you unreedemable"? And" who is Stalin and Mao Zedong"? Mark Twain's GGgranddaughter...

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:39 am Post subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

Let's see if we can attach a photo in Alabama.  May be a California thing.



John Williamson and me at one of the early Kolb Homecomings.



john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama

 



Trying like hell to attach photos as prmoised.... my e-mail posting keeps getting rejected.



Bill Berle

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John Hauck
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hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:41 am Post subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

Came through okay.  Nice photo.



do not archive.

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On Mon, 12/19/16, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote:



 Subject: RE: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Monday, December 19, 2016, 9:39 AM

 

 

 Let's see if we can attach a photo in Alabama.  May be

 a California thing.

 

 John Williamson and me at one of the early Kolb

 Homecomings.

 

 john h

 mkIII

 Titus, Alabama

  

 

 Trying like hell to attach photos as prmoised.... my e-mail

 posting keeps getting rejected.

 

 Bill Berle

John Hauck

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Posts: 4639
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:50 am Post subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

Copy and paste into the body of the email has always worked from hauck's holler.



john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama





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Titus, Alabama

lcottrell

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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:25 am Post subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

Well Herb, your pictures came through after I got through all the commercials. I got to glance at the pictures for about 20 seconds, then had to click off another advertisement, just got that done and another popped up, cut that off and still another popped up.



Pictures appeared OK, but the pop ups had my lips forming nasty words. :-/

Larry

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 7:49 AM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:

[quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>

 

 Copy and paste into the body of the email has always worked from hauck's holler.

 

 john h

 mkIII

 Titus, Alabama

 

 

 

 

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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:46 am Post subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

Larry     

  Interesting...I do not see the popups !  My operating system is       Linux Mint 18 and I guess my pop up blocker is doing its       job....  

          

   A pic or two shows an Airstart Cart that I drug home the other       day...Has an Air Research Gas turbine engine..and the bleed air       was used to start older jet aircraft.. and the field behind it is       my short strip...700 ft..

          

 Gonna be fun to start it this spring...kick the tires and light       the fires sort of thing...but..like everything else I have,,it is       for sale... cannot find info on the turbine...model GTCE 85-15-1         .. Bet some of you vets would have some info ?  

          

   Heading out in this 26 degree weather to look at a Firestar       project... Made up my mind!!  ha!!  once I get a Firestar...the       rest of these planes go!!!  no more!!  New Years resolution !!        Herb 

          

   

          

  

          

     On 12/19/2016 09:25 AM, Larry Cottrell       wrote:

     

     [quote]       Well Herb, your pictures came through after I got         through all the commercials. I got to glance at the pictures for         about 20 seconds, then had to click off another advertisement,         just got that done and another popped up, cut that off and still         another popped up.         

         

         Pictures appeared OK, but the pop ups had my lips forming           nasty words. :-/

         Larry

       

       

         On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 7:49 AM, John           Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>           wrote:

           [quote]-->             Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <[url=mailto:jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com]jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)[/url]>

             

             Copy and paste into the body of the email has always worked             from hauck's holler.

             

             john h

             mkIII

             Titus, Alabama

             

             

             

             

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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:44 am Post subject: Firestar 2 Progress, slow but continuing

Herb

Photobucket is nasty. Never even got to see even a glimpse of the photo.

I run windows 10 and have been putting off installing a add blocker but any more of that around and I will.

Rick Neilsen

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com (Herbgh(at)nctc.com)> wrote:

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 Bill

 

   Here is my example...Herb

 

 http://s1248.photobucket.com/user/herbgh/library/?sort=3&page=1

 

 

 

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